2020 General Election

[SeattleGriz]

This is what I was saying. You can't get anyone to perform the audit to either prove or disprove the claims.

This is the government afraid to show how poorly they run elections.

Umm...weren’t the votes audited?

If there was an audit, it was only to check if ballots received equaled votes tallied. Nothing more.

It's too late to do anything about bad ballots with that sort of audit. Shit ones are mixed in with good.

Only way to find fraud is to basically check the ballot like you would on election night. Signatures, addresses, voter rolls, etc. That sort of audit has never been performed.

[kalm]

Umm...weren’t the votes audited?

If there was an audit, it was only to check if ballots received equaled votes tallied. Nothing more.

It's too late to do anything about bad ballots with that sort of audit. Shit ones are mixed in with good.

Only way to find fraud is to basically check the ballot like you would on election night. Signatures, addresses, voter rolls, etc. That sort of audit has never been performed.

Ahhh! So it’s the ‘there was provable fraud but you can’t prove there wasn’t’ ....jujitsu.

[SeattleGriz]

If there was an audit, it was only to check if ballots received equaled votes tallied. Nothing more.

It's too late to do anything about bad ballots with that sort of audit. Shit ones are mixed in with good.

Only way to find fraud is to basically check the ballot like you would on election night. Signatures, addresses, voter rolls, etc. That sort of audit has never been performed.

Ahhh! So it’s the ‘there was provable fraud but you can’t prove there wasn’t’ ....jujitsu.

When there are 200,000 more votes than there are voters, that doesn't seem so jujitsu-ey.

How about the 200k in Wisconsin mail ins that have been declared illegitimate? Has anyone looked for those? Nope.

See what I'm saying. "Nothing to see here". Elections over.

[andy7171]

Ahhh! So it’s the ‘there was provable fraud but you can’t prove there wasn’t’ ....jujitsu.

When there are 200,000 more votes than there are voters, that doesn't seem so jujitsu-ey.

How about the 200k in Wisconsin mail ins that have been declared illegitimate? Has anyone looked for those? Nope.

See what I'm saying. "Nothing to see here". Elections over.

He's winning kalmy.

[kalm]

When there are 200,000 more votes than there are voters, that doesn't seem so jujitsu-ey.

How about the 200k in Wisconsin mail ins that have been declared illegitimate? Has anyone looked for those? Nope.

See what I'm saying. "Nothing to see here". Elections over.

He's winning kalmy.

I know, right?

[UNI88]

Was there more fraud in 2020 than in 2016 and prior?

[SeattleGriz]

Was there more fraud in 2020 than in 2016 and prior?

If 2020 is an indicator, I would have to say we cannot determine because nobody checked shit.

In regards to all the mail in ballots allowed in 2020, I would have to speculate yes just because that method is more susceptible to fraud.

[Gil Dobie]

Who won the election?

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

He says the difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to a discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

Don't have time or give a shit to follow up on this crap anymore. Give Trump PA and he still loses.

[UNI88]

Was there more fraud in 2020 than in 2016 and prior?

If 2020 is an indicator, I would have to say we cannot determine because nobody checked shit.

In regards to all the mail in ballots allowed in 2020, I would have to speculate yes just because that method is more susceptible to fraud.

Shit was checked - probably not as thoroughly as it should have been but there were checks in place.

Mail-in ballots were reasonable accommodation to allow people to vote with COVID-19 going on. Maybe if Trump and his administration had focused on insisting on stronger checks rather than trying to gut the USPS during this time the opportunities to commit fraud would have been significantly reduced. This should definitely be a lesson and voters should insist on better procedures for 2022.

Lil' Donny just needs to look in the mirror if he wants to know why he lost.

[AZGrizFan]

If 2020 is an indicator, I would have to say we cannot determine because nobody checked shit.

In regards to all the mail in ballots allowed in 2020, I would have to speculate yes just because that method is more susceptible to fraud.

Shit was checked - probably not as thoroughly as it should have been but there were checks in place.

Mail-in ballots were reasonable accommodation to allow people to vote with COVID-19 going on. Maybe if Trump and his administration had focused on insisting on stronger checks rather than trying to gut the USPS during this time the opportunities to commit fraud would have been significantly reduced. This should definitely be a lesson and voters should insist on better procedures for 2022.

Lil' Donny just needs to look in the mirror if he wants to know why he lost.

I agree with this post.

[AZGrizFan]

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

Don't have time or give a shit to follow up on this crap anymore. Give Trump PA and he still loses.

Lol.

Yes, let’s just give Trump PA so we can sweep the rest of this under the rug and get on with our reality TV shows.

This is the problem with Americans in general....our attention span is so fucking short, and those with evil intentions know it and use that to their advantage.

[SeattleGriz]

If 2020 is an indicator, I would have to say we cannot determine because nobody checked shit.

In regards to all the mail in ballots allowed in 2020, I would have to speculate yes just because that method is more susceptible to fraud.

Shit was checked - probably not as thoroughly as it should have been but there were checks in place.

Mail-in ballots were reasonable accommodation to allow people to vote with COVID-19 going on. Maybe if Trump and his administration had focused on insisting on stronger checks rather than trying to gut the USPS during this time the opportunities to commit fraud would have been significantly reduced. This should definitely be a lesson and voters should insist on better procedures for 2022.

Lil' Donny just needs to look in the mirror if he wants to know why he lost.

That's fine, give them reasonable accommodation, but still verify like a regular election, and that didn't happen.

As for USPS, you do realize they got $10 Billion in extra lending funding due to COVID? They had plenty of help, time and money to accommodate the election. Trump didn't try to gut anything and neither did his logistics guy he hired to help the USPS.

I agree on tightening this ship up.

[Gil Dobie]

Don't have time or give a shit to follow up on this crap anymore. Give Trump PA and he still loses.

Lol.

Yes, let’s just give Trump PA so we can sweep the rest of this under the rug and get on with our reality TV shows.

This is the problem with Americans in general....our attention span is so fucking short, and those with evil intentions know it and use that to their advantage.

It's not our attention span that is short, it's doing all this research on every little thing the Trumpettes bring up and finding they are false, false and false. Trumpettes have cried wolf too many time my friend.

[JohnStOnge]

Who won the election?

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

He says the difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to a discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

There is an effective rebuttal to the claim within the article. Read the article for the details of the rebuttal itself. I will quote the Pennsylvania Department of States's basic conclusion with respect to the analysis conducted by the Republican legislators:

Now, the legislators have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge.

There is nothing there. It's Republican legislators trying to create the impression that there was a big fraud problem when there wasn't one.

[JohnStOnge]

This is another example of actions that make me wonder how any of you can support the Republican Party:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gohmer ... -biden-win

This is what's going on: The idea is to declare the law that governs election counting unconstitutional then say that Pence can decide to accept electors that will vote for Trump instead of electors chosen through votes of the people in the states involved and certified then submitted by the States.

Oh what a wonderful precedent that would set. When an incumbent President runs they can pick a few states where the incumbent lost, have some people go off in their own little room and consider themselves electors when they are not, have them vote for the incumbent President and Vice President, then have the Vice President reject the official votes by the Electors from those States and substitute the votes of the people who went off in their own little room.

At this point, if you support the Republican Party, you are an idiot. You may be an intelligent idiot. But you are an idiot. The Party is a threat to government by the People. And it's obvious.

[SeattleGriz]

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

There is an effective rebuttal to the claim within the article. Read the article for the details of the rebuttal itself. I will quote the Pennsylvania Department of States's basic conclusion with respect to the analysis conducted by the Republican legislators:

Now, the legislators have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge.

There is nothing there. It's Republican legislators trying to create the impression that there was a big fraud problem when there wasn't one.

Nice disclaimer to your post.

But the only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories. At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system.

So your guy doesn't actually really know the answer.

[JohnStOnge]

There is an effective rebuttal to the claim within the article. Read the article for the details of the rebuttal itself. I will quote the Pennsylvania Department of States's basic conclusion with respect to the analysis conducted by the Republican legislators:



There is nothing there. It's Republican legislators trying to create the impression that there was a big fraud problem when there wasn't one.

Nice disclaimer to your post.

But the only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories. At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system.

So your guy doesn't actually really know the answer.

He doesn't know the answer because the data are not all in yet. When they are in, they will almost certainly show that there is no issue. This is ridiculous. You really should stop with this stuff. The people who really understand the issue do not see any problems. Republican Partisans who do not understand what's going on keep making claims that inevitably do not hold up.

[SeattleGriz]

Why are we repealing 230?

Can't we just make changes?

[AZGrizFan]

Lol.

Yes, let’s just give Trump PA so we can sweep the rest of this under the rug and get on with our reality TV shows.

This is the problem with Americans in general....our attention span is so fucking short, and those with evil intentions know it and use that to their advantage.

It's not our attention span that is short, it's doing all this research on every little thing the Trumpettes bring up and finding they are false, false and false. Trumpettes have cried wolf too many time my friend.

That’s possible, and I hear ya. But I DO believe it’s imperative that we get clarity on the security of our voting mechanism. If America loses faith in THAT, we are then and truly fucked.

[SDHornet]

Was there more fraud in 2020 than in 2016 and prior?

More in 2020, the mail in voting assured that. And as SG is pointing out, they are not auditing the validity of those mail in votes. That's the issue.

[SDHornet]

Nice disclaimer to your post.



So your guy doesn't actually really know the answer.

He doesn't know the answer because the data are not all in yet. When they are in, they will almost certainly show that there is no issue. This is ridiculous. You really should stop with this stuff. The people who really understand the issue do not see any problems. Republican Partisans who do not understand what's going on keep making claims that inevitably do not hold up.

Wrong. The data (votes) are in, they just aren't/didn't follow up on the checks to make sure the ballots are/were legit.

[Skjellyfetti]

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting statement.

99.99% accuracy rate in performing correct signature verification procedures

[Skjellyfetti]

Interesting statement.

99.99% accuracy rate in performing correct signature verification procedures

There were 10 signatures that didn't match. The GBI investigated and ruled out fraud in each case.

[SeattleGriz]

We'll see if this guy can do what he proposed. The inventor of the QR code.

Says he has ability to scan ballots and show if they were printed by the government or on a printing press.

Below is video from today's meeting where they request giving the guy a chance on absentee ballots. Says he'll do it for free.