2020 General Election

[SeattleGriz]

We will know soon enough if Trump is right or full of it.

After 4 years of bombshells against Trump that turned into nothing, I have learned to sit and wait.

We've known since the 1970s that Trump is full of shit. Every Single Republican that is backing him in Congress, 4.5 years ago, was saying how awful he'd be. We all made jokes about him and knew him as nothing more than a self-aggrandizing, insecure, arrogant man that cares only for himself. I honestly don't know what changed in 2016 to make millions of people feel differently. Is it the (R)?

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

[SeattleGriz]

Let me guess. You havent read the transcript or listened to it?

I literally posted quotes from the transcript....

You didn't answer the question. Have you read through the whole transcript?

[UNI88]

We've known since the 1970s that Trump is full of shit. Every Single Republican that is backing him in Congress, 4.5 years ago, was saying how awful he'd be. We all made jokes about him and knew him as nothing more than a self-aggrandizing, insecure, arrogant man that cares only for himself. I honestly don't know what changed in 2016 to make millions of people feel differently. Is it the (R)?

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

For how many years have Republicans been saying they would be fiscally irresponsible?

[Skjellyfetti]

Lol

[SDHornet]

No ElEcTiOn FrAuD

[SDHornet]

I've given Trip a lot of grief about his willingness to burn it all down to get what he wants. With all of the unsubstantiated accusations, inflammatory rhetoric and attempts to overturn the election results, Trump and his sycophants are showing their willingness to do the same.

Do I think there was some hinky stuff that occurred with this election? Yes.
Do I think that there was enough of it to change the outcome of the election? No
Do I think that only Democrats were involved in the hinky stuff? No

Trump and his sycophants can claim that the election was stolen and that what they are doing isn't a coup but a counter-coup but what will be the result if they are successful? The Democrats are not going to go quietly into the night. A civil war is a definite possibility if the election results are overturned. Is trying to achieve 4 more years of Donald Trump worth risking the future of the country over? It's the act of a sociopathic narcissist.

Good point, but not sure why there is so much push back for election transparency. All of this stuff should be open for reviews, audits, investigations, etc. Count every legal ballot and let the chips fall where they may.

[SDHornet]

We've known since the 1970s that Trump is full of shit. Every Single Republican that is backing him in Congress, 4.5 years ago, was saying how awful he'd be. We all made jokes about him and knew him as nothing more than a self-aggrandizing, insecure, arrogant man that cares only for himself. I honestly don't know what changed in 2016 to make millions of people feel differently. Is it the (R)?

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

This. The Trump appeal is that he got shit done that congress critters have been talking about for decades. Add in how the economy boomed/rebounded under his policies, specifically for the middle class and minorities, and I'm not surprised to see his popularity soar even with the msm that set out to tear him down before he even took office. Like him or not what he has accomplished has been impressive.

[SeattleGriz]

Lol

Boasberg. I'm shocked.

This is the same guy who got made to look like a fool by the IC and their abuses of FISA. He's on par with Sullivan.

This belongs in the Russia collusion thread!

Just flipping crap. I have no idea how good the case was or wasn't.

[SDHornet]

Saw a headline that Pelosi narrowly won her House Speaker Race. She even got the Squad to vote for her.

[SeattleGriz]

Saw a headline that Pelosi narrowly won her House Speaker Race. She even got the Squad to vote for her.

She even brought in a lady who tested positive for COVID 6 days prior. She needed every vote.

As I said in the COVID thread, McCarthy should require all reps to get PCR tested and bet on multiple false positives and blame it all on Pelosi's superspreader event.

[Winterborn]

Saw a headline that Pelosi narrowly won her House Speaker Race. She even got the Squad to vote for her.

Even the Squad knows where their bread is buttered and where that butter comes from.

[Ibanez]

We've known since the 1970s that Trump is full of shit. Every Single Republican that is backing him in Congress, 4.5 years ago, was saying how awful he'd be. We all made jokes about him and knew him as nothing more than a self-aggrandizing, insecure, arrogant man that cares only for himself. I honestly don't know what changed in 2016 to make millions of people feel differently. Is it the (R)?

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

So that makes it ok for him to lie, obfuscate and attempt to overthrow an election? THe man plays the victim perfectly. It's never his fault.

[AshevilleApp]

We've known since the 1970s that Trump is full of shit. Every Single Republican that is backing him in Congress, 4.5 years ago, was saying how awful he'd be. We all made jokes about him and knew him as nothing more than a self-aggrandizing, insecure, arrogant man that cares only for himself. I honestly don't know what changed in 2016 to make millions of people feel differently. Is it the (R)?

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

When exactly did both parties approve building a wall? You may be right, I'm just curious . And how much wall? A quick search shows somewhere between 15 and 30 miles of new wall where no barriers had been before. Something like 425 miles of replacement barriers as well. Out of a 2000 mile border with Mexico. He sho' got that wall built! He said he did though, so it must be true.

I am glad about the troops coming home , they never should have been there to begin with. Although I don't recall Republicans saying they would do that for years.

[SeattleGriz]

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

When exactly did both parties approve building a wall? You may be right, I'm just curious . And how much wall? A quick search shows somewhere between 15 and 30 miles of new wall where no barriers had been before. Something like 425 miles of replacement barriers as well. Out of a 2000 mile border with Mexico. He sho' got that wall built! He said he did though, so it must be true.

I am glad about the troops coming home , they never should have been there to begin with. Although I don't recall Republicans saying they would do that for years.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006.

Authorized 700 miles, built around 350.

[AZGrizFan]

What's different is he accomplished what Republicans have been saying they would do for years.

He simply did what he said he was going to do. It wasn't just lip service.

For a quick example, look at the wall. How long ago did both parties approve to build the wall but didn't do anything? How about trying to get our troops home? Those are just two of the multiple things he said he would do. All this while having to deal with the Dems and the NeverTrumpers.

Don't forget I didn't vote for him back in 2016, but he earned my vote this year. I also have said he is the perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.

When exactly did both parties approve building a wall? You may be right, I'm just curious . And how much wall? A quick search shows somewhere between 15 and 30 miles of new wall where no barriers had been before. Something like 425 miles of replacement barriers as well. Out of a 2000 mile border with Mexico. He sho' got that wall built! He said he did though, so it must be true.

I am glad about the troops coming home , they never should have been there to begin with. Although I don't recall Republicans saying they would do that for years.

If you don’t think there’s a gigantic difference between the wall being built and the “barriers” (and i use that word VERY loosely) being replaced, you haven’t been paying attention. all those “barriers” did was mark the actual border. They didn’t stop shit.

[SeattleGriz]

When exactly did both parties approve building a wall? You may be right, I'm just curious . And how much wall? A quick search shows somewhere between 15 and 30 miles of new wall where no barriers had been before. Something like 425 miles of replacement barriers as well. Out of a 2000 mile border with Mexico. He sho' got that wall built! He said he did though, so it must be true.

I am glad about the troops coming home , they never should have been there to begin with. Although I don't recall Republicans saying they would do that for years.

If you don’t think there’s a gigantic difference between the wall being built and the “barriers” (and i use that word VERY loosely) being replaced, you haven’t been paying attention. all those “barriers” did was mark the actual border. They didn’t stop shit.

Exactly. Don't hear much from the communities whose crime/drug rates have dropped since the replacement fencing. They're pretty happy with the new fence.

[JohnStOnge]

You know there is one thing that confirms that anybody who really believes there was election fraud and/or other illegality sufficient to cost Trump a win is just being willfully ignorant: It's the series of events involving William Barr the Justice Department, and the FBI.

In November Barr raised concern among Trump opponents by breaking with tradition and telling US Attorneys to investigate allegations of election fraud. See https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/barr-au ... fraud.html.

On December 1, Barr said there was no evidence of election fraud. A quote from the article at https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-wide ... 61a6c7f49d:

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

In his last press conference on December 21, Barr expressed the same position. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html.

The idea that the FBI and the Justice Department are unaware of ANY of the allegations we've seen flying around is not plausible. They are aware of them. They have investigated. They have found no evidence of widespread fraud.

The idea that Barr is covering something up to hurt Trump is also implausible.

It really is bad for people to continue believing that crap under these circumstances. Like Ted Cruz saying we have UNPRECEDENTED allegations of voter fraud. The reason we have that is because we have an unprecedented misinformation campaign with respect to that issue.

[JohnStOnge]

Don't hear much from the communities whose crime/drug rates have dropped since the replacement fencing.

Do you have a reference supporting the proposition that crime rates dropped due to replacement fencing. I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it but Googling around I couldn't find anything like that. I did find some stuff saying walls do not reduce crime rates. An example is at https://www.cato.org/publications/resea ... -fence-act.

That uses data pertaining to wall construction during 2006 through 2012 so it does not relate directly to what has happened since the Dear Leader came to power. But, for the period considered, the conclusions were these:

We combine the analyses to more explicitly test for patterns of declining crime rates concurrent with or shortly following additional barrier construction. We find no such patterns in property crime, and we find that short decreases in violent crime actually precede barrier construction rather than follow it. This suggests that any reductions in crime are likely to have been driven by the short‐​term economic stimulus provided by border wall construction. Overall, these findings indicate no systematic relationship between border wall construction and crime rates.

[SeattleGriz]

Don't hear much from the communities whose crime/drug rates have dropped since the replacement fencing.

Do you have a reference supporting the proposition that crime rates dropped due to replacement fencing. I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it but Googling around I couldn't find anything like that. I did find some stuff saying walls do not reduce crime rates. An example is at https://www.cato.org/publications/resea ... -fence-act.

That uses data pertaining to wall construction during 2006 through 2012 so it does not relate directly to what has happened since the Dear Leader came to power. But, for the period considered, the conclusions were these:

We combine the analyses to more explicitly test for patterns of declining crime rates concurrent with or shortly following additional barrier construction. We find no such patterns in property crime, and we find that short decreases in violent crime actually precede barrier construction rather than follow it. This suggests that any reductions in crime are likely to have been driven by the short‐​term economic stimulus provided by border wall construction. Overall, these findings indicate no systematic relationship between border wall construction and crime rates.

Should have made it more clear I was watching an interview of a group of people along the border who were saying how much better it was to have the wall. Had reduced the crime, drugs and trafficking through their community. You don't see many of those interviews.

[UNI88]

I've given Trip a lot of grief about his willingness to burn it all down to get what he wants. With all of the unsubstantiated accusations, inflammatory rhetoric and attempts to overturn the election results, Trump and his sycophants are showing their willingness to do the same.

Do I think there was some hinky stuff that occurred with this election? Yes.
Do I think that there was enough of it to change the outcome of the election? No
Do I think that only Democrats were involved in the hinky stuff? No

Trump and his sycophants can claim that the election was stolen and that what they are doing isn't a coup but a counter-coup but what will be the result if they are successful? The Democrats are not going to go quietly into the night. A civil war is a definite possibility if the election results are overturned. Is trying to achieve 4 more years of Donald Trump worth risking the future of the country over? It's the act of a sociopathic narcissist.

Good point, but not sure why there is so much push back for election transparency. All of this stuff should be open for reviews, audits, investigations, etc. Count every legal ballot and let the chips fall where they may.

I don't know either (whey there is so much pushback). Envelopes and ballots have been separated so I think it's too late for meaningful recounts and I don't think they would change the final outcome.

But this election did us a favor in highlighting some pretty slipshod practices that need to be fixed. Signature verification needs to be more stringent with follow-throughs when there are questions. People shouldn't be able to bring in flash drives and hook them up to election computers. At a minimum, whoever told the observers that they were done for the night and then kept counting after they left should be blackballed from ever working an election again. Harvesting of ballots by non-family members should be illegal. The judiciary should not be doing a legislature's job (in extending deadlines for mailed ballots).

[SeattleGriz]

Article that came out right after Trump had his discussion with Raffensperger, where he told him they didn't need to bring in Dominion to prove fraud. Timing is very interesting.

This and the stuff Pompeo has been posting on Twitter, in addition to the EO from 2018 keep me wondering what is going to drop in regards to election fraud.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/in ... -election/

GA SoS Brad Raffensperger posted what is essentially a guide to hack Dominion, ES&S, and Smartmatic voting systems during the summer of 2019, one year ahead of the 2020 elections. This made every aspect of the Dominion Voting Systems Democracy Suite open for business to anyone in the business of skewing elections. Raffensperger gave them a year to prepare with the actual components Dominion uses and perfect the methodologies used to hack the GA election

[Ibanez]

Article that came out right after Trump had his discussion with Raffensperger, where he told him they didn't need to bring in Dominion to prove fraud. Timing is very interesting.

This and the stuff Pompeo has been posting on Twitter, in addition to the EO from 2018 keep me wondering what is going to drop in regards to election fraud.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/in ... -eletion/c

GA SoS Brad Raffensperger posted what is essentially a guide to hack Dominion, ES&S, and Smartmatic voting systems during the summer of 2019, one year ahead of the 2020 elections. This made every aspect of the Dominion Voting Systems Democracy Suite open for business to anyone in the business of skewing elections. Raffensperger gave them a year to prepare with the actual components Dominion uses and perfect the methodologies used to hack the GA election

Written by a guy that gets regularly published in conspiracy theory sites like Zero Hedge. Yeah, let's listen to him.

Anything that has the potential to be connected to the internet has the potential to be hacked. What I didn't see in that "analysis" was anything about operational and Day Of security, analysis, etc... Interesting that he omits that information.

And just because we're talking about it - just because a Republican is supposed to win in a Red leaning county doesn't mean the election is theirs. Sure, the likelihood of them winning is high but it's not a foregone conclusion. Case in point - SC District 1 is red. It's MAGA country. In 2016 it went for Trump...but in the US House, it voted a Democrat. SC 1 is red and had been for 30 years. It was Tim Scotts seat, Mark Sanfords (twice), Henry Brown. The district had gone for the Republican President going back to 1980.

But for a brief moment - it went Blue. I don't recall the " stop the steal" or other bullshit cries of foul (probably b/c there wasn't an instigator like Trump). It's Red now...a MAGA tard and the first woman to graduate from the Citadel.

[SeattleGriz]

Article that came out right after Trump had his discussion with Raffensperger, where he told him they didn't need to bring in Dominion to prove fraud. Timing is very interesting.

This and the stuff Pompeo has been posting on Twitter, in addition to the EO from 2018 keep me wondering what is going to drop in regards to election fraud.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/in ... -eletion/c

Written by a guy that gets regularly published in conspiracy theory sites like Zero Hedge. Yeah, let's listen to him.

Youre in IT security. Does his article make sense?

And you're missing the point. This was a move the media would have pulled on Trump.

[kalm]

Article that came out right after Trump had his discussion with Raffensperger, where he told him they didn't need to bring in Dominion to prove fraud. Timing is very interesting.

This and the stuff Pompeo has been posting on Twitter, in addition to the EO from 2018 keep me wondering what is going to drop in regards to election fraud.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/in ... -election/

GA SoS Brad Raffensperger posted what is essentially a guide to hack Dominion, ES&S, and Smartmatic voting systems during the summer of 2019, one year ahead of the 2020 elections. This made every aspect of the Dominion Voting Systems Democracy Suite open for business to anyone in the business of skewing elections. Raffensperger gave them a year to prepare with the actual components Dominion uses and perfect the methodologies used to hack the GA election

Diebold was bought by Dominion? 2004 called...it wants its voting machine scandal back.

Here’s what else is going to drop that might change or stall Biden taking office...............

Spoiler: show

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That’s not to say some truly damning evidence that will keep the Trump “2020” donation spigot open and hold the Republican base won’t continue to come out.

At this point, the question is whether anyone has the stones to prosecute. He and his followers need to be bitch-slapped for the sake of future elections.

The Republican Party is seriously fractured. Hard to seem them unified as long as Trump still wields power. We may get our third party yet.

[Ibanez]

Written by a guy that gets regularly published in conspiracy theory sites like Zero Hedge. Yeah, let's listen to him.

Your in IT security. Does his article make sense?

Objectively - no. He isn't considering all the physical and virtual security that surrounds these machines and software. The upgrades, the patches, they re-coding that is constantly being done to make something not only more secure, but more operationally efficient. He's forgetting that while these machines say they aren't connected to the internet - there is a connection for remote observation where these companies are monitoring everything and using real time analysis.

He's got a bias and he's only telling you enough to sow doubt or make you confused. I know and talk regularly with an exec for one of the companies he mentioned - he's failed to report on everything these companies do in the months and weeks leading up to an election and what they do after to verify the integrity of their machines.