Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

This video was on our reading list provided by the school district's superintendent.

Watch the video (6:21 long) and listen to the difference in how the WSJ reports on the virus mutations and how the actual Microbiology professor describes it.

Maybe I'm now biased, but throughout the WSJ narrative, it is filled with, "could be", "possibly" type statements, while the actual Micriologist describes it "as a small gain in fitness" and lays out a sensible plan.

Is this constant scaremongering by the media part of the COVID fatigue we are seeing, for you can only cry wolf so many times before people stop listening and believing it's all shit?

Media likes to peddle hype and fear.

[kalm]

Sure it’s a double standard.

You must have me confused with someone who is a Democrat and/or Maxine Waters fan.

My apologies. Your defense of liberal wackadoodles, criticism of conservative wackadoodles, and willingness to go down the "but they were worse" rabbit hole confused me.

Where is the line between liberals you'll defend and those you'll throw under the bus? I'm guessing age. You seem to be more supportive of young liberal firebrands who say stupid things than you are of fossils like Waters.

Conservative whackadoodles ARE worse (in case you haven’t been watching the news lately)

Age has nothing to do with it. I like Bernie, Rho Khama, Katie Porter.

I’m reading a Chomsky book right now. Is he old enough?

We are unraveling 50 years of neo-liberalism. Removing the detritus of the Boomer generation. It takes time.

Don’t worry, there’s still plenty of selfishness and Daniel Boonism to spread around.

[SeattleGriz]

Maybe I'm now biased

Nah....

Fair enough, but I believe I'm biased because I've seen a real life example of bias, and it's related to the cure for AIDS that never happened. At the risk of repeating this story... Back when I was slave labor working in a graduate biochemistry lab that was determining the tertiary structure of ribosomal RNA, the "cure" for AIDS was announced and they were calling for attendance at a national conference to unveil this new cure.

Two of my classmates from another Biochem lab attended the conference because they had been working on Feline Immunovirus (FIV). They brought up the fact that they had already tried the 3 drug cocktail on FIV and it had not stopped or reversed the progression to AIDS and that it would yield similar results in humans.

They were essentially told that since they were "only from U of Montana" that their results should be ignored. Well, we still don't have that cure, do we? All that hope and subsequent letdown could have been prevented had they simply followed science and ignored their bias. I see that same bias today with COVID.

By the way, as a little plug, I got listed in the peer reviewed journal submission as part of the team "Determining the Tertiary Structure of Ribosomal RNA". I had strong pipetting skills and my loading of electrophoresis wells were a thing of beauty!!

[Gil Dobie]

A few of the young athletes that are infected with Covid, are now longhaulers, not able to get back to their athletic endeavor.



When New York Liberty guard Asia Durr announced in July she would not play in the 2020 WNBA season, she cited a “complicated and arduous” battle against COVID-19.

Nearly eight months after she first tested positive for the virus on June 8, a “great day” for Durr is being able to go to the store and clean the house. She hasn’t been able to shoot a free throw, let alone train.

Durr, the No. 2 overall pick out of Louisville in the 2019 WNBA draft, is considered a COVID-19 “long hauler.” In theory she has recovered from the worst parts of the virus, but she still experiences debilitating symptoms weeks and months later.

She shared her experience on the season premiere of HBO’s “Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel” as part of a segment on “long haul” athletes.

[UNI88]

My apologies. Your defense of liberal wackadoodles, criticism of conservative wackadoodles, and willingness to go down the "but they were worse" rabbit hole confused me.

Where is the line between liberals you'll defend and those you'll throw under the bus? I'm guessing age. You seem to be more supportive of young liberal firebrands who say stupid things than you are of fossils like Waters.

Conservative whackadoodles ARE worse (in case you haven’t been watching the news lately)

Age has nothing to do with it. I like Bernie, Rho Khama, Katie Porter.

I’m reading a Chomsky book right now. Is he old enough?

We are unraveling 50 years of neo-liberalism. Removing the detritus of the Boomer generation. It takes time.

Don’t worry, there’s still plenty of selfishness and Daniel Boonism to spread around.

Conservative wackadoodles are worse only if you're interpreting events in a vacuum and ignoring the progression. Each side is one-upping the other in level of stupidity. Conservatives went last so they're currently worse. The next big stupid thing that liberals do will most likely be worse.

Who's going to remove the detritus of the Millenials? The two generations are similar.

[SeattleGriz]

Someone needs to have a discussion with the Quality Director.

[kalm]

Conservative whackadoodles ARE worse (in case you haven’t been watching the news lately)

Age has nothing to do with it. I like Bernie, Rho Khama, Katie Porter.

I’m reading a Chomsky book right now. Is he old enough?

We are unraveling 50 years of neo-liberalism. Removing the detritus of the Boomer generation. It takes time.

Don’t worry, there’s still plenty of selfishness and Daniel Boonism to spread around.

Conservative wackadoodles are worse only if you're interpreting events in a vacuum and ignoring the progression. Each side is one-upping the other in level of stupidity. Conservatives went last so they're currently worse. The next big stupid thing that liberals do will most likely be woryse.

Who's going to remove the detritus of the Millenials? The two generations are similar.

Damn you!

Since this is the Covid thread let's focus on that one very important issue for a second. Conservative whackadoodles are WAY worse regarding Covid. Ironically, they are at least partly if not largely responsible for why lockdowns are needed, with greater restrictions, and longer in duration. It's where rational self interest falls short. When you need eough community buy in and cooperation to face an existential crisis. But hey, let's prove that we need government to tell us what to do because we're not responsible enough toward others to do it on our own.

The millenials need a few more decades to build up some detritus. But if history is cyclical, they're the current Hero Generation, first fighting the wars and eventually presiding over a return to prosperity.

[SDHornet]

I'm guessing you have no issue with this? Sure, during the game they will parade out a few select front line people to give the right impression, but in reality they are compensating the people who are ordering the front line people to put in their hours. It's a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

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That sucks.

According to the Book of JSO, volume 693, everything bad that happens is the president's fault so I blame Biden.

[SDHornet]

Conservative wackadoodles are worse only if you're interpreting events in a vacuum and ignoring the progression. Each side is one-upping the other in level of stupidity. Conservatives went last so they're currently worse. The next big stupid thing that liberals do will most likely be woryse.

Who's going to remove the detritus of the Millenials? The two generations are similar.

Damn you!

Since this is the Covid thread let's focus on that one very important issue for a second. Conservative whackadoodles are WAY worse regarding Covid. Ironically, they are at least partly if not largely responsible for why lockdowns are needed, with greater restrictions, and longer in duration. It's where rational self interest falls short. When you need eough community buy in and cooperation to face an existential crisis. But hey, let's prove that we need government to tell us what to do because we're not responsible enough toward others to do it on our own.

The millenials need a few more decades to build up some detritus. But if history is cyclical, they're the current Hero Generation, first fighting the wars and eventually presiding over a return to prosperity.

CA is not run by "conservative whackadoodles" and their China Virus policy has been laughable. Lockdowns don't work.

[kalm]

Damn you!

Since this is the Covid thread let's focus on that one very important issue for a second. Conservative whackadoodles are WAY worse regarding Covid. Ironically, they are at least partly if not largely responsible for why lockdowns are needed, with greater restrictions, and longer in duration. It's where rational self interest falls short. When you need eough community buy in and cooperation to face an existential crisis. But hey, let's prove that we need government to tell us what to do because we're not responsible enough toward others to do it on our own.

The millenials need a few more decades to build up some detritus. But if history is cyclical, they're the current Hero Generation, first fighting the wars and eventually presiding over a return to prosperity.

CA is not run by "conservative whackadoodles" and their China Virus policy has been laughable. Lockdowns don't work.

Enforcement and voluntary compliance...

[kalm]

Damn you!

Since this is the Covid thread let's focus on that one very important issue for a second. Conservative whackadoodles are WAY worse regarding Covid. Ironically, they are at least partly if not largely responsible for why lockdowns are needed, with greater restrictions, and longer in duration. It's where rational self interest falls short. When you need eough community buy in and cooperation to face an existential crisis. But hey, let's prove that we need government to tell us what to do because we're not responsible enough toward others to do it on our own.

The millenials need a few more decades to build up some detritus. But if history is cyclical, they're the current Hero Generation, first fighting the wars and eventually presiding over a return to prosperity.

CA is not run by "conservative whackadoodles" and their China Virus policy has been laughable. Lockdowns don't work.

I was referring to the citizens not the leadership. We’ve been through this before...all the variables to what drives numbers. Hey, look! Texas had more cases than California on certain days last week. I will admit it’s tough to argue with someone who willfully disregards science.

Airborne contagions are contagious.

[SeattleGriz]

CA is not run by "conservative whackadoodles" and their China Virus policy has been laughable. Lockdowns don't work.

I was referring to the citizens not the leadership. We’ve been through this before...all the variables to what drives numbers. Hey, look! Texas had more cases than California on certain days last week. I will admit it’s tough to argue with someone who willfully disregards science.

Airborne contagions are contagious.

Especially when you stop following the history and methodology of isolating only those most susceptible and require the sick to quarantine in place with the healthy.

[kalm]

I was referring to the citizens not the leadership. We’ve been through this before...all the variables to what drives numbers. Hey, look! Texas had more cases than California on certain days last week. I will admit it’s tough to argue with someone who willfully disregards science.

Airborne contagions are contagious.

Especially when you stop following the history and methodology of isolating only those most susceptible and require the sick to quarantine in place with the healthy.

Ok

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota numbers stay low, as do vaccination numbers.

[AZGrizFan]

Well it only took 3 months, but the mask mandate and shutdowns finally appear to be working.

Or maybe ol Sleepy Joe just ‘scared’ the virus into going away.

[Gil Dobie]

Well it only took 3 months, but the mask mandate and shutdowns finally appear to be working.

Or maybe ol Sleepy Joe just ‘scared’ the virus into going away.

Masks appear to have worked

Sorted by lowest infection rate, the 12 states without mask mandates

Here are the 12 states without mask mandates. Lowest Infections per million ranking. Highest infection rates in states without masks mandates.
16. Alaska
21. Florida
25. Missouri
29. S Carolina
30. Georgia
36. Mississippi
37. Idaho
43. Oklahoma
44. Nebraska
46. Arizona
47. Tennessee
50. South Dakota

[SDHornet]

CA is not run by "conservative whackadoodles" and their China Virus policy has been laughable. Lockdowns don't work.

Enforcement and voluntary compliance...

Enforcement of what laws? Agree with voluntary compliance. Everyone needs to be responsible for themselves first and foremost.

[SDHornet]

Well it only took 3 months, but the mask mandate and shutdowns finally appear to be working.

Or maybe ol Sleepy Joe just ‘scared’ the virus into going away.

Masks appear to have worked

Sorted by lowest infection rate, the 12 states without mask mandates

Here are the 12 states without mask mandates. Lowest Infections per million ranking. Highest infection rates in states without masks mandates.
16. Alaska
21. Florida
25. Missouri
29. S Carolina
30. Georgia
36. Mississippi
37. Idaho
43. Oklahoma
44. Nebraska
46. Arizona
47. Tennessee
50. South Dakota

Masks work so well now the way is to wear 3 at the same time.

[Gil Dobie]

Masks appear to have worked

Sorted by lowest infection rate, the 12 states without mask mandates

Here are the 12 states without mask mandates. Lowest Infections per million ranking. Highest infection rates in states without masks mandates.
16. Alaska
21. Florida
25. Missouri
29. S Carolina
30. Georgia
36. Mississippi
37. Idaho
43. Oklahoma
44. Nebraska
46. Arizona
47. Tennessee
50. South Dakota

Masks work so well now the way is to wear 3 at the same time.

Mayo Clinic still says 1 mask worn properly is enough. STOP listening to the media.

[kalm]

Enforcement and voluntary compliance...

Enforcement of what laws? Agree with voluntary compliance. Everyone needs to be responsible for themselves first and foremost.

Governor mandates and emergency restrictions.

Yes, people do need to be responsible for themselves. They also have an obligation to by responsible for their community. The fact too few are not is the irony of requiring more government.

[SDHornet]

Enforcement of what laws? Agree with voluntary compliance. Everyone needs to be responsible for themselves first and foremost.

Governor mandates and emergency restrictions.

Yes, people do need to be responsible for themselves. They also have an obligation to by responsible for their community. The fact too few are not is the irony of requiring more government.

Then who enforces those? Certainly not LEO's as the governor doesn't make laws.

[UNI88]

Masks work so well now the way is to wear 3 at the same time.

Mayo Clinic still says 1 mask worn properly is enough. STOP listening to the media.

Didn't Fauci say 2 were better? Aren't we supposed to listen to the doctors?

People not caring about others and taking precautions isn't the only reason we're struggling with the virus. Medical experts continuously tripping over their dicks with mixed messages, arrogance and a failure to understand people is contributing as well.

[kalm]

Governor mandates and emergency restrictions.

Yes, people do need to be responsible for themselves. They also have an obligation to by responsible for their community. The fact too few are not is the irony of requiring more government.

Then who enforces those? Certainly not LEO's as the governor doesn't make laws.

That's being debated. LE should be able to enforce emergency restrictions regardless of whether they agree with it or not. The fact many LEO's do not is bullshit. Again, it wouldn't need to happen if people could take the available science and make the right decisions towards their community.

https://apnews.com/article/state-lawmak ... 8400ad3d3c

[SDHornet]

Then who enforces those? Certainly not LEO's as the governor doesn't make laws.

That's being debated. LE should be able to enforce emergency restrictions regardless of whether they agree with it or not. The fact many LEO's do not is bullshit. Again, it wouldn't need to happen if people could take the available science and make the right decisions towards their community.

https://apnews.com/article/state-lawmak ... 8400ad3d3c

Couldn't disagree more. When "laws" are made outside of their normal process, I'd argue they don't endure the legal scrutiny that would ensure that the citizens rights aren't imposed on. If it was that big of a deal, the governor would work with their respective state legislatures to get these laws in place.

[clenz]

Big reason I haven't done the genome mapping through sites like 21 and Me.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-us-b ... 186896#app

The largest biotech firm in the world wasted no time in offering to build and run COVID testing labs in Washington, contacting its governor right after the first major COVID outbreak in the U.S. occurred there. The Chinese company, the BGI Group, made the same offer to at least five other states, including New York and California, 60 Minutes has learned.

If you think China, and 40 other countries, and every genome mapping site out there don't already know everything about you you are sorely mistaken. Not that that being true means we should just offer everything up at will, but it's worth remembering as (royal) you sit there screaming about privacy and keeping China and the baddies from getting your information.

There was just a big story this weekend about it. China is known to have stolen extremely personal/identifiable/deep information on well over 80% of the US population. If you want to believe you are in that less than 20% then so be it.