2020 General Election

[SDHornet]

Weaver for sure, I think another one as well. The bigger issue is all the founders knew about it, as well as the press, and looked the other way.

So JSO, you going to disavow or what?

I didn't know all about that. I have only seen headlines.

My understanding is the founders have all been "friends and acquaintances" for years. Now they are claiming they didn't know Weaver all that well.

John Weaver, a longtime Republican strategist and co-founder of the prominent anti-Trump group the Lincoln Project, has for years sent unsolicited and sexually provocative messages online to young men, often while suggesting he could help them get work in politics, according to interviews with 21 men who received them.

His solicitations included sending messages to a 14-year-old, asking questions about his body while he was still in high school and then more pointed ones after he turned 18.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/p ... sment.html

[AZGrizFan]

There's a reason 60 some percent of Europe (including the EU) doesn't allow for absentee ballots except for those overseas, and 20 some percent don't allow for them period, and they all require ID (the link to the article is buried somewhere in this thread from a month or 2 ago). The rest of the 1st world laughs at the US election system.

I agree they do. From what I'm told, it's the electoral college.

Just some food for thought:

Nixon, Ford, Bush 1 and Trump all supported getting rid of it. Trump even said the world was laughing at us b/c of it.

Even not that long ago, the former chair of the RNC wanted to get rid of it.

And if what Trump and the Republicans say is true about the numbers in 2020 (doubt it) then it's proof that they don't need the EC to win. The popular vote works for every single election...why not this one?


I would add to it, if we got rid of the EC for the Popular Vote AND instituted Ranked-Choice Voting, we might getting better representation and more independents/3rd Party.


But it won't happen. If the Republicans are for X then the Dems will surely be against it. And vice versa.

I get that folks in big states feel “disenfranchised” because their votes are proportionally worth “less” than a vote from Montana or Wyoming. I would support getting rid of the EC under these conditions:

* proof of citizenship and ID required to vote - AT the voting station (and spare me the crap about this “disenfranchising” AA and minority voters. They ALL have ID’s).
* No votes for felons or illegals - EVER
* No counting illegals in census (which determines House seats) EVER
* ONLY In person voting allowed unless under a very narrow and specifically outlined set of circumstances (military stationed overseas, etc.)

Otherwise, it’s been proven that it’s just too easy to cheat.

[Ibanez]

I agree they do. From what I'm told, it's the electoral college.

Just some food for thought:

Nixon, Ford, Bush 1 and Trump all supported getting rid of it. Trump even said the world was laughing at us b/c of it.

Even not that long ago, the former chair of the RNC wanted to get rid of it.

And if what Trump and the Republicans say is true about the numbers in 2020 (doubt it) then it's proof that they don't need the EC to win. The popular vote works for every single election...why not this one?


I would add to it, if we got rid of the EC for the Popular Vote AND instituted Ranked-Choice Voting, we might getting better representation and more independents/3rd Party.


But it won't happen. If the Republicans are for X then the Dems will surely be against it. And vice versa.

I get that folks in big states feel “disenfranchised” because their votes are proportionally worth “less” than a vote from Montana or Wyoming. I would support getting rid of the EC under these conditions:

* proof of citizenship and ID required to vote - AT the voting station (and spare me the crap about this “disenfranchising” AA and minority voters. They ALL have ID’s).
* No votes for felons or illegals - EVER
* No counting illegals in census (which determines House seats) EVER
* ONLY In person voting allowed unless under a very narrow and specifically outlined set of circumstances (military stationed overseas, etc.)

Otherwise, it’s been proven that it’s just too easy to cheat.

I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I'm all for Voter ID, btw. All for it.

[SDHornet]

I agree they do. From what I'm told, it's the electoral college.

Just some food for thought:

Nixon, Ford, Bush 1 and Trump all supported getting rid of it. Trump even said the world was laughing at us b/c of it.

Even not that long ago, the former chair of the RNC wanted to get rid of it.

And if what Trump and the Republicans say is true about the numbers in 2020 (doubt it) then it's proof that they don't need the EC to win. The popular vote works for every single election...why not this one?


I would add to it, if we got rid of the EC for the Popular Vote AND instituted Ranked-Choice Voting, we might getting better representation and more independents/3rd Party.


But it won't happen. If the Republicans are for X then the Dems will surely be against it. And vice versa.

I get that folks in big states feel “disenfranchised” because their votes are proportionally worth “less” than a vote from Montana or Wyoming. I would support getting rid of the EC under these conditions:

* proof of citizenship and ID required to vote - AT the voting station (and spare me the crap about this “disenfranchising” AA and minority voters. They ALL have ID’s).
* No votes for felons or illegals - EVER
* No counting illegals in census (which determines House seats) EVER
* ONLY In person voting allowed unless under a very narrow and specifically outlined set of circumstances (military stationed overseas, etc.)

Otherwise, it’s been proven that it’s just too easy to cheat.

You're delusional if you think any of these rules, if agreed upon, would be enforced.

If anyone wants the EC abolished, amend the Constitution or STFU.

[BDKJMU]

I didn't know all about that. I have only seen headlines.

He’s been on leave since last summer. Nobody saw it coming either...since he was a Republican.

Fake conservative, fake conk, full of TDS. Kin of like JSO..

[BDKJMU]

I get that folks in big states feel “disenfranchised” because their votes are proportionally worth “less” than a vote from Montana or Wyoming. I would support getting rid of the EC under these conditions:

* proof of citizenship and ID required to vote - AT the voting station (and spare me the crap about this “disenfranchising” AA and minority voters. They ALL have ID’s).
* No votes for felons or illegals - EVER
* No counting illegals in census (which determines House seats) EVER
* ONLY In person voting allowed unless under a very narrow and specifically outlined set of circumstances (military stationed overseas, etc.)

Otherwise, it’s been proven that it’s just too easy to cheat.

I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I'm all for Voter ID, btw. All for it.

I concur.

[Ibanez]

I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I'm all for Voter ID, btw. All for it.

I concur.

I don't think there was a logical counter argument to the id debate. We need IDs for buying alcohol and tobacco, R rated movies, renting a car, cashing a check, getting a job, driving a vehicle, filing taxes and so much more. IF the government is going to require something, they should do the leg work to get qualified people enrolled.

[Skjellyfetti]

Lol

[JohnStOnge]

He was indeed trying to have election results for entire states thrown out. He tried to get State legislatures to take over and replace the slates of electors selected by voters with Trump electors picked by the legislatures. He did do that.

Also, the arbiters of whether election law was violated so that votes should be thrown our are the State courts. There was cases related to that. They failed.

Yawn. Same thing can be said of the losing side in any election. There is always a battle to throw out votes that were cast by "not following the rules".

Are you seriously suggesting that what happened with Trump and his allies' effort to overturn the 2020 Presidential Election result is like ANYTHING we've had happen in our lifetimes?

[JohnStOnge]

It wasn't the Project - just one of the co-founders right?

And if they are PEDOs....doesn't hat make them part of the deep state...OH MY GOD! Q WAS RIGHT!!!!!

Weaver for sure, I think another one as well. The bigger issue is all the founders knew about it, as well as the press, and looked the other way.

So JSO, you going to disavow or what?

I hadn't heard about it until I saw reference to it here but, after looking it up, the answer is "no." Apparently one of the four founders had a secret life and did some bad things. That's not going to make me disavow the Lincoln project anymore than finding out that somebody on Wal Mart's Board of Directors killed his mother in law and stuck her in the freezer would make me stop shopping at Wal Mart. The Lincoln Project has disavowed him.

On a side note: The reason we know about this is because the New York Times reported it. People should consider that when they start with the "liberal bias" cop out conservatives often lean on when they're trying to obscure the truth.

[JohnStOnge]

Say...if Republicans knew about allegations pertaining to Weaver since the 1980s, how come we never heard about them until he became associated with an entity attacking the current Republican Dear Leader? See https://www.newsweek.com/karl-rove-says ... rs-1565972.

[kalm]

When you get cancelled by Newsmax. Weeeeeeee!!!!



https://news.yahoo.com/my-pillow-guy-mi ... 44725.html

[Ibanez]

When you get cancelled by Newsmax. Weeeeeeee!!!!



https://news.yahoo.com/my-pillow-guy-mi ... 44725.html

I saw that earlier....you know things are going sideways when NEWSMAXX is cancelling these kooks that believed the lie.

[BDKJMU]

When you get cancelled by Newsmax. Weeeeeeee!!!!



https://news.yahoo.com/my-pillow-guy-mi ... 44725.html

I saw that earlier....you know things are going sideways when NEWSMAXX is cancelling these kooks that believed the lie.

What lie?

[Ibanez]

I saw that earlier....you know things are going sideways when NEWSMAXX is cancelling these kooks that believed the lie.

What lie?

That the election was stolen, silly.

[kalm]

I saw that earlier....you know things are going sideways when NEWSMAXX is cancelling these kooks that believed the lie.

What lie?

[kalm]

What lie?

That the election was stolen, silly.

[SeattleGriz]

What lie?

That the election was stolen, silly.

Newmax's stance has more to do with Dominion threatening them with a huge lawsuit than them believing the election was on the up and up.

[catbooster]

That the election was stolen, silly.

Newmax's stance has more to do with Dominion threatening them with a huge lawsuit than them believing the election was on the up and up.

Dominion wouldn't have an effective threat if Newsmax has any evidence supporting their stories though, would they?

[SeattleGriz]

Newmax's stance has more to do with Dominion threatening them with a huge lawsuit than them believing the election was on the up and up.

Dominion wouldn't have an effective threat if Newsmax has any evidence supporting their stories though, would they?

You make a valid point, but there were other forms of fraud presented on Newsmax as well.

Dominion has threatened others and they welcome the challenge due to discovery.

Newsmax got threatened because they had those people making claims against Dominion on their show and of course didn't push back.

But to answer your question, I don't believe any definitive proof has been presented against Dominion.

[JohnStOnge]

Dominion wouldn't have an effective threat if Newsmax has any evidence supporting their stories though, would they?

You make a valid point, but there were other forms of fraud presented on Newsmax as well.

Dominion has threatened others and they welcome the challenge due to discovery.

Newsmax got threatened because they had those people making claims against Dominion on their show and of course didn't push back.

But to answer your question, I don't believe any definitive proof has been presented against Dominion.

Nor has any definitive proof of widespread voter fraud or other irregularity sufficient to change the result of the election been presented. Actually not even any reasonably compelling evidence.

At first I took the time to run down various things I saw presented as evidence of fraud. There was only one instance in which I could not find information completely rebutting the claim. Sometimes it was stuff like the information just being wrong. Like an affidavit presented to a court saying that turnout in Detroit was 139% when it was actually 51% of registered voters. Other times people just saw things as evidence of fraud when they weren't. Like having very lopsided vote totals reported from certain jurisdictions when results that lopsided are very plausible.

The one time I was not able to find information rebutting the claim was when I saw a video of some woman sitting next to Giuliani in a hearing saying she saw mail in ballots in sequential order and she saw that as evidence of something nefarious. I could not find anything at all on that either way.

But I finally decided to just stop chasing that nonsense. So much shit has been thrown at the wall by Trump supporters that you would have to spend every waking hour tracking down the realities. Better just to point out that, after William Barr expressly told Justice Department staff to investigation allegations of voter fraud, the Justice Department said it did not see a problem. Better to just point out that Homeland Security said it didn't see a problem. Better to say that State investigative agencies didn't see a problem. Better to say that there were a whole bunch of court cases and the Trump side got slaughtered. Better to say that, yes, a number of those courts did consider evidence presented for voter fraud.

It ended up in a big, fat zero for the Trump side. At some point Trump supporters just need to stop with the nonsense. This was the most thoroughly vetted election of my 63 year lifetime and the systems we have for telling us if something nefarious went on told us nothing nefarious went on. It's to the point that believing Trump was robbed is like believing in Bigfoot.

[SeattleGriz]

You make a valid point, but there were other forms of fraud presented on Newsmax as well.

Dominion has threatened others and they welcome the challenge due to discovery.

Newsmax got threatened because they had those people making claims against Dominion on their show and of course didn't push back.

But to answer your question, I don't believe any definitive proof has been presented against Dominion.

Nor has any definitive proof of widespread voter fraud or other irregularity sufficient to change the result of the election been presented. Actually not even any reasonably compelling evidence.

At first I took the time to run down various things I saw presented as evidence of fraud. There was only one instance in which I could not find information completely rebutting the claim. Sometimes it was stuff like the information just being wrong. Like an affidavit presented to a court saying that turnout in Detroit was 139% when it was actually 51% of registered voters. Other times people just saw things as evidence of fraud when they weren't. Like having very lopsided vote totals reported from certain jurisdictions when results that lopsided are very plausible.

The one time I was not able to find information rebutting the claim was when I saw a video of some woman sitting next to Giuliani in a hearing saying she saw mail in ballots in sequential order and she saw that as evidence of something nefarious. I could not find anything at all on that either way.

But I finally decided to just stop chasing that nonsense. So much shit has been thrown at the wall by Trump supporters that you would have to spend every waking hour tracking down the realities. Better just to point out that, after William Barr expressly told Justice Department staff to investigation allegations of voter fraud, the Justice Department said it did not see a problem. Better to just point out that Homeland Security said it didn't see a problem. Better to say that State investigative agencies didn't see a problem. Better to say that there were a whole bunch of court cases and the Trump side got slaughtered. Better to say that, yes, a number of those courts did consider evidence presented for voter fraud.

It ended up in a big, fat zero for the Trump side. At some point Trump supporters just need to stop with the nonsense. This was the most thoroughly vetted election of my 63 year lifetime and the systems we have for telling us if something nefarious went on told us nothing nefarious went on. It's to the point that believing Trump was robbed is like believing in Bigfoot.

Wrong.

I forget the guys name, but he has been systematically going through the voter rolls and marking those that were too young, out of state, etc and believes he can show voter fraud greater than the margin of victory in three states. This is probable fraud without an audit.

We'll see what he comes up with, but I'm sure your search was extensive as your research in claiming the Black Hebrew Israelites were the victims in the Covington Catholic debacle.

[BDKJMU]

What lie?

That the election was stolen, silly.

Not a lie..

[kalm]

Nor has any definitive proof of widespread voter fraud or other irregularity sufficient to change the result of the election been presented. Actually not even any reasonably compelling evidence.

At first I took the time to run down various things I saw presented as evidence of fraud. There was only one instance in which I could not find information completely rebutting the claim. Sometimes it was stuff like the information just being wrong. Like an affidavit presented to a court saying that turnout in Detroit was 139% when it was actually 51% of registered voters. Other times people just saw things as evidence of fraud when they weren't. Like having very lopsided vote totals reported from certain jurisdictions when results that lopsided are very plausible.

The one time I was not able to find information rebutting the claim was when I saw a video of some woman sitting next to Giuliani in a hearing saying she saw mail in ballots in sequential order and she saw that as evidence of something nefarious. I could not find anything at all on that either way.

But I finally decided to just stop chasing that nonsense. So much shit has been thrown at the wall by Trump supporters that you would have to spend every waking hour tracking down the realities. Better just to point out that, after William Barr expressly told Justice Department staff to investigation allegations of voter fraud, the Justice Department said it did not see a problem. Better to just point out that Homeland Security said it didn't see a problem. Better to say that State investigative agencies didn't see a problem. Better to say that there were a whole bunch of court cases and the Trump side got slaughtered. Better to say that, yes, a number of those courts did consider evidence presented for voter fraud.

It ended up in a big, fat zero for the Trump side. At some point Trump supporters just need to stop with the nonsense. This was the most thoroughly vetted election of my 63 year lifetime and the systems we have for telling us if something nefarious went on told us nothing nefarious went on. It's to the point that believing Trump was robbed is like believing in Bigfoot.

Wrong.

I forget the guys name, but he has been systematically going through the voter rolls and marking those that were too young, out of state, etc and believes he can show voter fraud greater than the margin of victory in three states. This is probable fraud without an audit.

We'll see what he comes up with, but I'm sure your search was extensive as your research in claiming the Black Hebrew Israelites were the victims in the Covington Catholic debacle.

If only Trump’s legal team had thought to do that.

[UNI88]

That Trump's not really a billionaire, silly.

Not a lie..

I agree.