Come on, 88. Higher taxes are the solution to EVERYTHING in trip’s magic money world....UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:20 pmA 70% federal tax rate plus state taxes is nuts. Why bust your ass to create something that could change the world if the government is going to take 75+% of your income? And if someone's already done it, why remain a US citizen? They can move their citizenship and assets to a more tax-friendly location.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:38 pm Affordable? Should be free for low-income people, subsidized by people like you and me and the ultra-wealthy who can afford it through higher taxes. That's literally the policies of the Green New Deal...higher taxes for the middle-class (~37%) and upper-class (~70%) to build much needed green infrastructure across the entire United States which everyone benefits from.
To answer your first question, battery banks (plant or personal) will only get better over time and become integral to the overall energy infrastructure. Feds should be granting scientists and researchers more funding, both in private industries and academia, in developing breakthroughs there.
Let's chase innovation and assets to other countries with excessive taxation while we wallow in our equity and fairness on our way to socialist misery.
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https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-0 ... ions-2.pdfHI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:24 pmI asked him here to show his math on how properly taxing would eliminate our deficit. still waiting.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:20 pm
A 70% federal tax rate plus state taxes is nuts. Why bust your ass to create something that could change the world if the government is going to take 75+% of your income? And if someone's already done it, why remain a US citizen? They can move their citizenship and assets to a more tax-friendly location.
Let's chase innovation and assets to other countries with excessive taxation while we wallow in our equity and fairness on our way to socialist misery.
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Pick and choose, not that hard to eliminate our deficit if you go after the wealthy and corporations and the military. Just need the balls to do it.
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No, but I like to read about the Green New Deal, how it'll be paid for, and economics in general. It shapes how I view things.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:36 pmThat must be one hell of an engineering degree you have. You’re like an expert on EVERYTHING.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:38 pm Affordable? Should be free for low-income people, subsidized by people like you and me and the ultra-wealthy who can afford it through higher taxes. That's literally the policies of the Green New Deal...higher taxes for the middle-class (~37%) and upper-class (~70%) to build much needed green infrastructure across the entire United States which everyone benefits from.
To answer your first question, battery banks (plant or personal) will only get better over time and become integral to the overall energy infrastructure. Feds should be granting scientists and researchers more funding, both in private industries and academia, in developing breakthroughs there.![]()
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Yes. Anyone who’s been successful is the devil. Crush that success! Bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Great plan.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:42 pmhttps://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-0 ... ions-2.pdfHI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:24 pm
I asked him here to show his math on how properly taxing would eliminate our deficit. still waiting.
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That's a boogeyman you've created and came to fear. Successful people will be ok with higher marginal tax rates; they did in our past and stuck around. They'll still be successful and still have plenty of money. If not, they can get a second job or do a better job at saving.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:44 pmYes. Anyone who’s been successful is the devil. Crush that success! Bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Great plan.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:42 pm
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-0 ... ions-2.pdf
Pick and choose, not that hard to eliminate our deficit if you go after the wealthy and corporations and the military. Just need the balls to do it.
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Was figuring you'd have an explanation as to how you were impacted. Thanks for this, very informative.HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:39 am What a crazy week it was. We operate in the Southwest Power Pool (SPP) energy market. SPP covers 14 states from North Dakota to the Texas panhandle. On a typical day prices for energy would be maybe 2-2.5 cents per kWh. On a hot day or cold day that might jump up to an average of 5-6 cents per kWh. On a typical day we sell about 1.0-1.2 million kWh to our members. So on a normal day it costs us $25,000 +/- to meet our needs. On a hot or cold day we could be looking at $72,000 for one day. We have ownership in various generation facilities that we sell to the market and get credit back. Basically the two offset each other every day.
On Saturday, February 13 the market started going crazy. Average prices each day and our cost at 1.2 million kWh per day:
13th - $0.137/kWh $164,712
14th - $0.294/kWh $352,932
15th - $2.994/kWh $3,593,538
16th - $2.756/kWh $3,307,092
17th - $2.219/kWh $2,663,352
18th - $3.633/kWh $4,360,130
19th - $1.114/kWh $1,336,393
So instead of spending between $175,000 - $500,000 like we normally might during this period we spent $15,778,000 to supply our members with power. Fortunately we have sufficient generation to offset this cost in the market. But there are a lot of utilities that don't have sufficient generation and rely on the market that are going to take a huge financial hit from this. This is also what happened to the customers of Griddy - they were essentially playing in the market and got burnt badly.
In addition to our regular baseload generation SPP called on all of our emergency backup diesel generation to run as well. We did our part to support the SPP grid. We had members run well over 100 hours during this period for plants that really aren't designed to be pushed that hard. For much of this crisis we were generating over 200% of our needs - in other words we were covering all of our electrical load from our members plus somebody else's by pushing surplus back onto the grid. There were times where we were covering 270%. On Tuesday morning SPP had to implement rolling blackouts over the 14 state territory. We weren't hit with any blackouts because we were actually generating 215% of our load at the time the blackouts were implemented. Disconnecting us would have actually made things worse.
One of our backup plants burns 2500 gallons of fuel an hour. They had to have a tanker truck delivering fuel every 3 hours. 42 semi loads delivered during this period. Over $600,000 in diesel fuel for just that one plant. I haven't even had time to add up all the others yet. I'm guessing the fuel bill will be over $2 million. Fortunately we will get reimbursed from the market for this.
A lot of regulators, politicians, and utilities are in CYA mode right now to try and avoid blame. There are going to be investigations and a lot of hand wringing over this. I recieved one call from the chair of our state regulatory commission and 3 calls from another state commissioner. Fortunately with how we performed we look pretty good. But had some of our stuff not worked it could have been ugly real fast. Sad thing is nothing will really change to make things better. Usually the regulators have good intentions but tend to make things worse.
I'm already starting to see talk of bailouts for utilities that didn't have adequate generation in place or limiting the amount of "profit" that some generators were able to make. Pisses me off that we have made investments at a cost to our rate payers to avoid this problem and now somebody that made poor decisions is going to get a bailout.
2.5k of diesel will supply our backup generator systems at one of our large pump stations (50+MGD) for about 3 days. Amazing that you guys burn through that in an hour.

And on your past paragraph, yeah, socialism sucks.

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That's how democracy works: people getting together, using their collective power of governance, to push certain things out and others in.
Coals days are certainly numbered and natural gas will get there in the next few decades too.
Nothing is forever, and people in the energy sector should especially know that
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Replacement by innovation, sure. Replacement by gunpoint of the gubmint? Yeaokay.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:25 pmThat's how democracy works: people getting together, using their collective power of governance, to push certain things out and others in.
Coals days are certainly numbered and natural gas will get there in the next few decades too.
Nothing is forever, and people in the energy sector should especially know that.


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It's also not hard to eliminate the deficit if you stop sending money to foreign countries for projects like gender equity in Afghanistan (isn't our telling the Afghan people how they should treat women an example of entitled, privileged imperialism or is ok to preach to other peoples about gender equity but not other aspects of human rights?).
70% is significantly higher. We haven't seen rates that high in 30+ years and the world is much more global now than it was then. And no explanation on how the higher rates won't impact innovation and future improvements to our quality of life.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:52 pmThat's a boogeyman you've created and came to fear. Successful people will be ok with higher marginal tax rates; they did in our past and stuck around. They'll still be successful and still have plenty of money. If not, they can get a second job or do a better job at saving.
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I’ve created no boogeyman. It’s the actual position of the alt-left. Crush the successful. They ARE the devil. Milk them dry of all their money until they’re down to the same level as the not-so-successful.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:52 pmThat's a boogeyman you've created and came to fear. Successful people will be ok with higher marginal tax rates; they did in our past and stuck around. They'll still be successful and still have plenty of money. If not, they can get a second job or do a better job at saving.
LOTS of money will flow offshore, LOTS of tax loopholes will be created and taken advantage of, you know the drill.
Or maybe you don’t.
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Gunpoint? If people are voting for it, that's what people want. That's literally how governance works. If anything it's society being held at gunpoint by corporate America and politicians who bow to them.SDHornet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:27 pmReplacement by innovation, sure. Replacement by gunpoint of the gubmint? Yeaokay.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:25 pm
That's how democracy works: people getting together, using their collective power of governance, to push certain things out and others in.
Coals days are certainly numbered and natural gas will get there in the next few decades too.
Nothing is forever, and people in the energy sector should especially know that.![]()
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Green energy and climate change is even a top priority for young Republicans at this point:
You can't fight demographics.
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GOP is advocating for "burn it all down until there is only green energy left"? Who knew.

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SDHornet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:27 pmReplacement by innovation, sure. Replacement by gunpoint of the gubmint? Yeaokay.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:25 pm
That's how democracy works: people getting together, using their collective power of governance, to push certain things out and others in.
Coals days are certainly numbered and natural gas will get there in the next few decades too.
Nothing is forever, and people in the energy sector should especially know that.![]()
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Exactly. I agree that coal's and eventually natural gas' days are numbered. Climate change and green energy should be a priority but how we get there is important.
And a good leader doesn't just do what the people that elected them want, they try do what is in the best interest for the long-term.
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People are voting for it? 99.9% of those who vote for it have ZERO idea of how it all actually works. They’re voting for a concept that they know about 1% of. THAT should be our “mantra”?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:31 pmGunpoint? If people are voting for it, that's what people want. That's literally how governance works. If anything it's society being held at gunpoint by corporate America and politicians who bow to them.
Green energy and climate change is even a top priority for young Republicans at this point:
You can't fight demographics.
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There's no time left. We've lost too many years to the continuous use of fossil fuels instead of investing into renewables decades ago.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:39 pm
Exactly. I agree that coal's and eventually natural gas' days are numbered. Climate change and green energy should be a priority but how we get there is important.
And a good leader doesn't just do what the people that elected them want, they try do what is in the best interest for the long-term.
We're already at a dire point and a good leader should know that. It's time to go all in now.
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We aren’t anywhere near “dire”. There are DECADES of oil left. 7.14 TRILLION cubic feet of proven reserves of natural gas. 65-100 YEARS of coal left 1.15 TRILLION short tons....∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:44 pmThere's no time left. We've lost too many years to the continuous use of fossil fuels instead of investing into renewables decades ago.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:39 pm
Exactly. I agree that coal's and eventually natural gas' days are numbered. Climate change and green energy should be a priority but how we get there is important.
And a good leader doesn't just do what the people that elected them want, they try do what is in the best interest for the long-term.
We're already at a dire point and a good leader should know that.
GTFO of here with that “dire” bullshit. The “sky is falling” approach rarely works, except on the galactically STUPID.
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No one gives a sh*t how much fossil fuel is left; climate change has become a life and death situation yesterday. The sky is falling because it literally is...people are dying all over the world, more extreme climate events, mass extinctions, infrastructure continually damaged, etc.
Time to get off of fossil fuels now.
Time to get off of fossil fuels now.
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Lol. You got ANY proof for ANY of that drivel? Links? Research? Anything? Or is it just more trip bloviating....this is what I think of every time I read one of your posts.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:50 pm No one gives a sh*t how much fossil fuel is left; climate change has become a life and death situation yesterday. The sky is falling because it literally is, people are dying all over the world, more extreme climate events, mass extinctions, infrastructure continually damaged, etc.
Time to get off of fossil fuels now.

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First of all, I know you won't agree with anything I post so I won't.
Second, it's not my job to educate you on reality. You're a big boy (I assume) that knows how to seek out information and use the internet, but my advice is that you don't use it to confirm your own beliefs. Science is there to help us, and sometimes it goes against what you like.
So Google is your friend; you can also check out the EPA, CDC, WHO, UN, etc. There's plenty of good resources out there.
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The situation is dire, all that stuff Al Gore said would happen by 2020 has happened, the msm just hasn't covered it yet. God damn fake news bullshit.
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So no. That’s what I thought. Just more bloviating. You make accusations of ‘mass extinctions” and bullshit like that and got NOTHING to back it up.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:00 pmFirst of all, I know you won't agree with anything I post so I won't.
Second, it's not my job to educate you on reality. You're a big boy (I assume) that knows how to seek out information and use the internet, but my advice is that you don't use it to confirm your own beliefs. Science is there to help us, and sometimes it goes against what you like.
So Google is your friend; you can also check out the EPA, CDC, WHO, UN, etc. There's plenty of good resources out there.
Go away, youngster. The adults are talking.
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Yup, exactly like I thought...another "adult" who relies on social media and message boards for their information.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:07 pmSo no. That’s what I thought. Just more bloviating. You make accusations of ‘mass extinctions” and bullshit like that and got NOTHING to back it up.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:00 pm
First of all, I know you won't agree with anything I post so I won't.
Second, it's not my job to educate you on reality. You're a big boy (I assume) that knows how to seek out information and use the internet, but my advice is that you don't use it to confirm your own beliefs. Science is there to help us, and sometimes it goes against what you like.
So Google is your friend; you can also check out the EPA, CDC, WHO, UN, etc. There's plenty of good resources out there.
Go away, youngster. The adults are talking.
No surprise here.
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You make claims, you back them up. That’s the way it’s ALWAYS worked here, bud.



You don’t it’s just more bullshit thrown at the wall, or spouting of party talking points.
You want to make bullshit statements like that, then MAKE YOUR case, or STFU. Telling people to “go do your own research ain’t the rule around here.
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If we're going to play that game, I'd like you to find citations for your 55,130 posts.