Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

[Gil Dobie]

Been a lot of people on the street giving praise to the Minneapolis Police Chief and officers that testified in the trial.

[Skjellyfetti]

[Winterborn]

Cowardly jury. The murder charges won't stand up on appeal, but the manslaughter will.

The third degree and manslaughter will.

Second degree I do not think so. But then I am just an armchair attorney.

[Gil Dobie]

Cowardly jury. The murder charges won't stand up on appeal, but the manslaughter will.

The third degree and manslaughter will.

Second degree I do not think so. But then I am just an armchair attorney.

Same penalty for either 2nd or 3rd degree murder.

[Ibanez]

Hmmm...let me go back and double check. This could take awhile...

Nope!

Did Waters make inflammatory statements? Yes.
Could those statements rile up a protesting mob and lead to a riot? Yes.

Did Trump make inflammatory statements? Yes.
Could those those statements rile up a protesting mob and lead to a riot? Yes.

Both were wrong. Both should be condemned. Why is one vilified and the other defended? Hint: it's because of politics/ideology not the righteousness of their cause.

And if nodded your head in agreement to Jelly's mockery of "But Hillary" deflections in 2017 then then you should put away your "But Trump" deflections in 2021 and vice versa.

Yeah, we did it but they did it first or worst or whatever is not a valid defense.

That's exactly the defense our politicians use for everything. We can do this b/c Democrats did it. I tell my kid all the time, someone else's bad behavior isn't an excuse for yours.

[kalm]

I agree. Whattaboutism should be avoided when possible. So should bothsidesdoitism.

1). I pointed out the use of a Posobiec tweet in light of the msm thread. Cross thread jabbing is still allowed, yes? 2). I suggested that racial justice (implying as a cause...not Watters) is a bit more righteous.

I’m sorry I wasn’t more forceful in denouncing a politician being a politician.

Still friends?

You need to give CID credit for the "bothsidesdoitism" ...

Covering your whataboutism by calling her a name is just a twofer -

whataboutism and bothsiderism

Cross thread jabbing is still allowed and encouraged but as SD pointed out does the source of an undoctored video matter?

Racial justice is more righteous IMO but that's an opinion and I question whether Waters cares about racial justice .

Definitely still friends.

I apologize to my friend CID for stealing his terminology.

Nice to see we can reach agreement on the rest.

[kalm]

Did Waters make inflammatory statements? Yes.
Could those statements rile up a protesting mob and lead to a riot? Yes.

Did Trump make inflammatory statements? Yes.
Could those those statements rile up a protesting mob and lead to a riot? Yes.

Both were wrong. Both should be condemned. Why is one vilified and the other defended? Hint: it's because of politics/ideology not the righteousness of their cause.

And if nodded your head in agreement to Jelly's mockery of "But Hillary" deflections in 2017 then then you should put away your "But Trump" deflections in 2021 and vice versa.

Yeah, we did it but they did it first or worst or whatever is not a valid defense.

That's exactly the defense our politicians use for everything. We can do this b/c Democrats did it. I tell my kid all the time, someone else's bad behavior isn't an excuse for yours.

Adversarial...tribalism.

Power and wealth are the constituency rather than voters and the commons. They dictate every reaction to every subject. Owning the other side is the priority and virtue.

[andy7171]

Just because no one asked, here are my thoughts.
1- The toxicity in his blood could have led me to have reasonable doubt. But I know drug addicts have extremely high tolerances built up.
2- He was alive when he was put on the ground, regardless of how he got there. And dead when Chauvin got off him.
3- Its ridiculous to think Chauvin didn't have any part in that occurring.
4- I'm pleasantly surprised there was no celebration rioting.

[kalm]

Just because no one asked, here are my thoughts.
1- The toxicity in his blood could have led me to have reasonable doubt. But I know drug addicts have extremely high tolerances built up.
2- He was alive when he was put on the ground, regardless of how he got there. And dead when Chauvin got off him.
3- Its ridiculous to think Chauvin didn't have any part in that occurring.
4- I'm pleasantly surprised there was no celebration rioting.

I care about you and your opinions, Andy!

[Winterborn]

The third degree and manslaughter will.

Second degree I do not think so. But then I am just an armchair attorney.

Same penalty for either 2nd or 3rd degree murder.

Not per the MN legal code section 609. Murder in the 2nd degree receives not more than 40 years imprisonment. Murder in the 3rd degree has a max of 25 years.

There is a clause that states that if you are convicted of 2nd or 3rd degree murder and of a heinous crime (murder in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree, assault in the first degree, criminal sexual conduct in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree) and was sentenced within 15 years of the murder, the court will mandatory sentence the m to the maximum possible sentence (40 or 25 years).

[Gil Dobie]

Same penalty for either 2nd or 3rd degree murder.

Not per the MN legal code section 609. Murder in the 2nd degree receives not more than 40 years imprisonment. Murder in the 3rd degree has a max of 25 years.

Under Minnesota sentencing guidelines, for a person with no criminal history, each murder charge carries a presumptive sentence of 12 1/2 years in prison, while manslaughter has a presumptive sentence of four years. Max is different as you stated. I think he get's 25 years because a minor was a witness.

[Winterborn]

Not per the MN legal code section 609. Murder in the 2nd degree receives not more than 40 years imprisonment. Murder in the 3rd degree has a max of 25 years.

Under Minnesota sentencing guidelines, for a person with no criminal history, each murder charge carries a presumptive sentence of 12 1/2 years in prison, while manslaughter has a presumptive sentence of four years. Max is different as you stated.

Edited my post above. I think both play into it but based on a side conversation I had with an attorney this morning my first paragraph definitely applies.

[Gil Dobie]

Under Minnesota sentencing guidelines, for a person with no criminal history, each murder charge carries a presumptive sentence of 12 1/2 years in prison, while manslaughter has a presumptive sentence of four years. Max is different as you stated.

Edited my post above. I think both play into it but based on a side conversation I had with an attorney this morning my first paragraph definitely applies.

I agree with your edit. The judge usually starts with the min for first time offenders, but reviews other circumstances like the minor being present, If Chauvin shows lack of remorse, etc, which can add years to the min sentence.

[kalm]

Da fuq.

Good god...the full on Al Sharpton-Jesse Jacksonizing of the Democratic Party is almost complete.

[SDHornet]

Just because no one asked, here are my thoughts.
1- The toxicity in his blood could have led me to have reasonable doubt. But I know drug addicts have extremely high tolerances built up.
2- He was alive when he was put on the ground, regardless of how he got there. And dead when Chauvin got off him.
3- Its ridiculous to think Chauvin didn't have any part in that occurring.
4- I'm pleasantly surprised there was no celebration rioting.

It was certainly more tame than expected. kalms people in the PNW still went off like it always does. They are now pivoting to that girl in OH with the knife that got shot by the police now.

[89Hen]

2). I suggested that racial justice (implying as a cause...not Watters) is a bit more righteous.

Than our democracy? I don't agree.

*Waters you keep adding an extra T

[kalm]

2). I suggested that racial justice (implying as a cause...not Watters) is a bit more righteous.

Than our democracy? I don't agree.

*Waters you keep adding an extra T

Say what?

You can’t have both?

[89Hen]

Than our democracy? I don't agree.

*Waters you keep adding an extra T

Say what?

You can’t have both?

Both what... T's in Waters?

[kalm]

Say what?

You can’t have both?

Both what... T's in Waters?

That too.

[89Hen]

Both what... T's in Waters?

That too.

Racial justice and our democracy are equally important.

[houndawg]

They shouldn't have hired scumbags like Chauvin, now its going to cost them

Are you talking the rank-n-file Police members or the leadership that was put in place by the duly elected members of the city? One is to blame, the others are not, as they have no hand in the decision making process.

Whoever did the hiring, and whoever else ignored the 22 complaints about use of force by him.

[houndawg]

Just because no one asked, here are my thoughts.
1- The toxicity in his blood could have led me to have reasonable doubt. But I know drug addicts have extremely high tolerances built up.
2- He was alive when he was put on the ground, regardless of how he got there. And dead when Chauvin got off him.
3- Its ridiculous to think Chauvin didn't have any part in that occurring.
4- I'm pleasantly surprised there was no celebration rioting.

5- Four grown men couldn't control a handcuffed suspect without killing him

[BDKJMU]

Just because no one asked, here are my thoughts.
1- The toxicity in his blood could have led me to have reasonable doubt. But I know drug addicts have extremely high tolerances built up.
2- He was alive when he was put on the ground, regardless of how he got there. And dead when Chauvin got off him.
3- Its ridiculous to think Chauvin didn't have any part in that occurring.
4- I'm pleasantly surprised there was no celebration rioting.

It was certainly more tame than expected. kalms people in the PNW still went off like it always does. They are now pivoting to that girl in OH with the knife that got shot by the police now.

Too bad they don’t have a law like OK is about to pass.

The bill would make blocking use of a public street a misdemeanor publishable by up to a year in prison or a $5,000 fine. The measure would also grant a motorist criminal and civil immunity if they kill or injure someone while fleeing from a riot.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/protes ... se-chamber

[Skjellyfetti]

Nice. DC needs to follow suit. I can't wait to full GTA over deplorables next time they lose a presidential election.

[BDKJMU]

Nice. DC needs to follow suit. I can't wait to full GTA over deplorables next time they lose a presidential election.

I have no idea what ‘GTA’ means.

And a lot more protests by the left in DC than by the right..