Coronavirus COVID-19

[UNI88]

Mortality rate overall: .35%
Mortality rate for those getting it after getting vaccinated? 16%.

Thank you science.

That number should even out some as more young people get the vaccine. Commorbidities are still a thing but death rates overall are going down.

You’re welcome,

Science

Kalm, those numbers are baloney. AZ is fishing with Chizzy bait.

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That number should even out some as more young people get the vaccine. Commorbidities are still a thing but death rates overall are going down.

You’re welcome,

Science

Kalm, those numbers are baloney. AZ is fishing with Chizzy bait.

Yesterday I heard (I think on NPR), it was 0.01% breakthrough and of those, 2% died and all of them were 70+.

[SeattleGriz]

Kalm, those numbers are baloney. AZ is fishing with Chizzy bait.

Yesterday I heard (I think on NPR), it was 0.01% breakthrough and of those, 2% died and all of them were 70+.

Breakthrough.

You see they changed the definition of breakthrough to eventually push the total to zero.

[JohnStOnge]

Yesterday I heard (I think on NPR), it was 0.01% breakthrough and of those, 2% died and all of them were 70+.

Breakthrough.

You see they changed the definition of breakthrough to eventually push the total to zero.

They did not change the definition.They changed to what they are focusing on while monitoring. See https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/h ... cases.html.

They are focusing on hospitalizations and/or deaths. If we end up with zero hospitalizations and/or deaths due to COVID-19 among vaccinated people, that would be great.

[SeattleGriz]

Breakthrough.

You see they changed the definition of breakthrough to eventually push the total to zero.

They did not change the definition.They changed to what they are focusing on while monitoring. See https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/h ... cases.html.

They are focusing on hospitalizations and/or deaths. If we end up with zero hospitalizations and/or deaths due to COVID-19 among vaccinated people, that would be great.

You better go back and read that. They are limiting testing to 28 cycles or less and not counting anyone who didn't die, or go to the hospital. They are suppressing breakthroughs.

[AZGrizFan]

They did not change the definition.They changed to what they are focusing on while monitoring. See https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/h ... cases.html.

They are focusing on hospitalizations and/or deaths. If we end up with zero hospitalizations and/or deaths due to COVID-19 among vaccinated people, that would be great.

You better go back and read that. They are limiting testing to 28 cycles or less and not counting anyone who didn't die, or go to the hospital. They are suppressing breakthroughs.

Yep.

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.

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Yesterday I heard (I think on NPR), it was 0.01% breakthrough and of those, 2% died and all of them were 70+.

Breakthrough.

You see they changed the definition of breakthrough to eventually push the total to zero.

Here's an LA Times article and the data was through April 30 (before the change):
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... deaths-cdc

At this point there's way more than enough real-world data (from the US and abroad) to show the vaccines work.

[kalm]

Breakthrough.

You see they changed the definition of breakthrough to eventually push the total to zero.

Here's an LA Times article and the data was through April 30 (before the change):
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... deaths-cdc

At this point there's way more than enough real-world data (from the US and abroad) to show the vaccines work.

[SeattleGriz]

Breakthrough.

You see they changed the definition of breakthrough to eventually push the total to zero.

Here's an LA Times article and the data was through April 30 (before the change):
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... deaths-cdc

At this point there's way more than enough real-world data (from the US and abroad) to show the vaccines work.

I get that the vaccines work at reducing symptoms and that's great, but now they're messing with the data where we won't be comparing apples to apples anymore.

On one side, you have the unvaccinated and the only thing that requires proof for a positive, is an up to 40 cycle threshold PCR test. On the flip side, the vaccinated side, you have to have a 28 or less cycle threshold PCR test AND either be hospitalized or die to be counted as positive.

If we applied the same standards to unvaccinated data, do you know what would happen to our COVID count and deaths? They would plummet. This is why I'm not buying this as altruistic. I actually think this way is a HELLUVA lot more accurate, but let's count all cases this way, not just the vaccinated.

[kalm]

Here's an LA Times article and the data was through April 30 (before the change):
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2 ... deaths-cdc

At this point there's way more than enough real-world data (from the US and abroad) to show the vaccines work.

I get that the vaccines work at reducing symptoms and that's great, but now they're messing with the data where we won't be comparing apples to apples anymore.

On one side, you have the unvaccinated and the only thing that requires proof for a positive, is an up to 40 cycle threshold PCR test. On the flip side, the vaccinated side, you have to have a 28 or less cycle threshold PCR test AND either be hospitalized or die to be counted as positive.

If we applied the same standards to unvaccinated data, do you know what would happen to our COVID count and deaths? They would plummet. This is why I'm not buying this as altruistic. I actually think this way is a HELLUVA lot more accurate, but let's count all cases this way, not just the vaccinated.

Link?

[SeattleGriz]

I get that the vaccines work at reducing symptoms and that's great, but now they're messing with the data where we won't be comparing apples to apples anymore.

On one side, you have the unvaccinated and the only thing that requires proof for a positive, is an up to 40 cycle threshold PCR test. On the flip side, the vaccinated side, you have to have a 28 or less cycle threshold PCR test AND either be hospitalized or die to be counted as positive.

If we applied the same standards to unvaccinated data, do you know what would happen to our COVID count and deaths? They would plummet. This is why I'm not buying this as altruistic. I actually think this way is a HELLUVA lot more accurate, but let's count all cases this way, not just the vaccinated.

Link?

The link StOnge provided has all this information on the site to back up the changing of the criteria for what constitutes a positive when you are vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

[Gil Dobie]

Vaccine is working, Minnesota is under 5000 active cases.

[GannonFan]

The Wawa store closest to me just updated their sign yesterday - masks completely optional now. Fully expect the rest of PA stores to be that way in a couple of days. By June 1st shouldn't need a mask anywhere. Already stopped wearing one to coach baseball, and work is getting close to saying masks are optional. I'm vaccinated so I'm all for it. I don't really care much what the unvaccinated do - I'm safe, my family is vaccinated (wife and oldest kid are fully vaccinated, youngest two kids get their second shot in a week or so) so we're all good. Pandemic is over, at least in our neck of the woods.

[89Hen]

Turns out it was pretty much like the flu.

[UNI88]

Turns out it was pretty much like the flu.

With the vaccine? Maybe.

The flu vaccine seems to be only partially effective due to the many strains. It remains to be seen how the COVID vaccine will handle various strains. If it can handle variants then maybe COVID is "pretty much like the flu". If it can't then IMO, COVID will continue to be worse than the flu (and better than a plague).

[GannonFan]

Turns out it was pretty much like the flu.

With the vaccine? Maybe.

The flu vaccine seems to be only partially effective due to the many strains. It remains to be seen how the COVID vaccine will handle various strains. If it can handle variants then maybe COVID is "pretty much like the flu". If it can't then IMO, COVID will continue to be worse than the flu (and better than a plague).

Two different kinds of vaccines too. The COVID being an mRNA one (well, Pfizer and Moderna at least) makes it far better able to handle variants than the flu one does, since the flu vaccine is just really a concoction of the best guess of what variants will dominate that season.

[Gil Dobie]

Turns out it was pretty much like the flu.

I still don't know anyone that has died from the flu.

[UNI88]

Turns out it was pretty much like the flu.

I still don't know anyone that has died from the flu.

That's anecdotal. I don't know anyone that has died from COVID. It's worse than the flu but it's not nearly the black plague that some want us to believe.

[Gil Dobie]

I still don't know anyone that has died from the flu.

That's anecdotal. I don't know anyone that has died from COVID. It's worse than the flu but it's not nearly the black plague that some want us to believe.

So what are you saying?

[AZGrizFan]

I predict far lower than average flu deaths for the next 5-7 years....cleaned out a LOT of the vulnerable population in the last 14 months.

[kalm]

That's anecdotal. I don't know anyone that has died from COVID. It's worse than the flu but it's not nearly the black plague that some want us to believe.

So what are you saying?

88’s post is anecdotal. Covid may have taken out plague type numbers without modern medicine and vaccines.

Or the plague may have been more like the paltry 3.5 million deaths with them.

[89Hen]

Turns out it was pretty much like the flu.

I still don't know anyone that has died from the flu.

I still don't know anyone that has died from Covid, thankfully.

[UNI88]

So what are you saying?

88’s post is anecdotal. Covid may have taken out plague type numbers without modern medicine and vaccines.

Or the plague may have been more like the paltry 3.5 million deaths with them.

How? Isn't that only true if you believe that 50+% of people who get Covid are hospitalized. The reality seems to be that simple safety precautions saved more lives in 2020 than modern medicine and vaccines.

[Gil Dobie]

88’s post is anecdotal. Covid may have taken out plague type numbers without modern medicine and vaccines.

Or the plague may have been more like the paltry 3.5 million deaths with them.

How? Isn't that only true if you believe that 50+% of people who get Covid are hospitalized. The reality seems to be that simple safety precautions saved more lives in 2020 than modern medicine and vaccines.

I don't know anyone that believes 50+% of people who get covid are hospitalized. I'm on the side of modern medicine and vaccines saving more lives.

[kalm]

88’s post is anecdotal. Covid may have taken out plague type numbers without modern medicine and vaccines.

Or the plague may have been more like the paltry 3.5 million deaths with them.

How? Isn't that only true if you believe that 50+% of people who get Covid are hospitalized. The reality seems to be that simple safety precautions saved more lives in 2020 than modern medicine and vaccines.

Hint: the wink emoji...somewhat tongue in cheek.

But I suppose they had less hospital capacity back then.