2020 General Election

[AZGrizFan]

Enabled by the China Virus.

Without the China Virus:
-Ecoonmy 2020 is roaring vs crashing.
-Biden can’t use the China Virus as an excuse to hole up in his basement amd has to cone out and campaign.
-Is no nationwide mass mail in of ballots, no mass overnight ballot dumps. Would have been mostly in person voting. Biden destroyed Trump on mail in, Trump destroyed Biden on in person voting. Mass mail in, esp states without adequate systems in place, a lot easier to commit fraud.

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

So Trump was the one who made COVID political?

[Ibanez]

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

So Trump was the one who made COVID political?

He was one of the people. He also, IMO, failed from a leadership perspective. But that was soooooooo 2020.

[kalm]

So Trump was the one who made COVID political?

He was one of the people. He also, IMO, failed from a leadership perspective. But that was soooooooo 2020.

[BDKJMU]

Enabled by the China Virus.

Without the China Virus:
-Ecoonmy 2020 is roaring vs crashing.
-Biden can’t use the China Virus as an excuse to hole up in his basement amd has to cone out and campaign.
-Is no nationwide mass mail in of ballots, no mass overnight ballot dumps. Would have been mostly in person voting. Biden destroyed Trump on mail in, Trump destroyed Biden on in person voting. Mass mail in, esp states without adequate systems in place, a lot easier to commit fraud.

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

Made the China Virus political. Wrong- that was the left who attscked everything he did.

Extremely difficult to prove..

[BDKJMU]

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

So Trump was the one who made COVID political?

You beat me to it..

[Ibanez]

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

Made the China Virus political. Wrong- that was the left who attscked everything he did.

Extremely difficult to prove..

Attacking what Trump did and making the Coronavirus political aren't the same thing. You're just a biased partisan.


And if the fraud is difficult to prove then why did Trump, Powell, Guliani, MyPillow Guy all say they have proof? Are you suggesting that they're lying?

[Ibanez]

So Trump was the one who made COVID political?

You beat me to it..

Even if someone on the left made it political first, Trump was the leader of the country. He should've been the bigger man. A leader. Or do you have an excuse for him not acting like a man?

[UNI88]

You beat me to it..

Even if someone on the left made it political first, Trump was the leader of the country. He should've been the bigger man. A leader. Or do you have an excuse for him not acting like a man?

Is being a loser a valid excuse?

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[AZGrizFan]

You beat me to it..

Even if someone on the left made it political first, Trump was the leader of the country. He should've been the bigger man. A leader. Or do you have an excuse for him not acting like a man?

Why would Trump suddenly change his spots???

“Be the bigger man…” That IS hilarious.

[SeattleGriz]

Even if someone on the left made it political first, Trump was the leader of the country. He should've been the bigger man. A leader. Or do you have an excuse for him not acting like a man?

Why would Trump suddenly change his spots???

“Be the bigger man…” That IS hilarious.

I personally liked the goalpost shifting so Trump was to blame regardless of what he did. Ibanez is post partisan like Kalm.

[CID1990]

Enabled by the China Virus.

Without the China Virus:
-Ecoonmy 2020 is roaring vs crashing.
-Biden can’t use the China Virus as an excuse to hole up in his basement amd has to cone out and campaign.
-Is no nationwide mass mail in of ballots, no mass overnight ballot dumps. Would have been mostly in person voting. Biden destroyed Trump on mail in, Trump destroyed Biden on in person voting. Mass mail in, esp states without adequate systems in place, a lot easier to commit fraud.

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

Trump didn’t make COVID political. The left and their media mouthpieces did that. 110%

Trump’s fault was his antagonistic nature and the fact that by the time COVID broke out of China, the media was conditioned to viewing everything he said as a conspiracy. But Trump told the truth about COVID and its origins as we understood them at the time.

The whole debacle surrounding COVID is more a commentary on the media than it is Trump. And it isn’t a warning or an indicator. It is just a confirmation that our media is transparently slanted leftwards. At this point CNN, MSNBC, and a few others are just the public affairs arm of the DNC.


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[UNI88]

Even if someone on the left made it political first, Trump was the leader of the country. He should've been the bigger man. A leader. Or do you have an excuse for him not acting like a man?

Why would Trump suddenly change his spots???

“Be the bigger man…” That IS hilarious.

A leader is capable of being a bigger man. If Trump wasn't capable of being a bigger man (and I agree he wasn't) then he wasn't a leader.

Trump did great during the good times but his incompetence was front and center during a crisis.

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[AZGrizFan]

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

Trump didn’t make COVID political. The left and their media mouthpieces did that. 110%

Trump’s fault was his antagonistic nature and the fact that by the time COVID broke out of China, the media was conditioned to viewing everything he said as a conspiracy. But Trump told the truth about COVID and its origins as we understood them at the time.

The whole debacle surrounding COVID is more a commentary on the media than it is Trump. And it isn’t a warning or an indicator. It is just a confirmation that our media is transparently slanted leftwards. At this point CNN, MSNBC, and a few others are just the public affairs arm of the DNC.


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100% correct.

[AZGrizFan]

Why would Trump suddenly change his spots???

“Be the bigger man…” That IS hilarious.

A leader is capable of being a bigger man. If Trump wasn't capable of being a bigger man (and I agree he wasn't) then he wasn't a leader.

Trump did great during the good times but his incompetence was front and center during a crisis.

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None of that proves that Trump politicized COVID first.

[kalm]

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

Trump didn’t make COVID political. The left and their media mouthpieces did that. 110%

Trump’s fault was his antagonistic nature and the fact that by the time COVID broke out of China, the media was conditioned to viewing everything he said as a conspiracy. But Trump told the truth about COVID and its origins as we understood them at the time.

The whole debacle surrounding COVID is more a commentary on the media than it is Trump. And it isn’t a warning or an indicator. It is just a confirmation that our media is transparently slanted leftwards. At this point CNN, MSNBC, and a few others are just the public affairs arm of the DNC.


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Which is the public affairs arm of corporate America just like the RNC.

Trump gets a pass for the first month or so of Covid. That’s it.

[UNI88]

A leader is capable of being a bigger man. If Trump wasn't capable of being a bigger man (and I agree he wasn't) then he wasn't a leader.

Trump did great during the good times but his incompetence was front and center during a crisis.

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None of that proves that Trump politicized COVID first.

No it doesn't. He didn't politicize COVID-19, it just show how inept he was at leadership when it mattered

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[Ibanez]

Even if someone on the left made it political first, Trump was the leader of the country. He should've been the bigger man. A leader. Or do you have an excuse for him not acting like a man?

Why would Trump suddenly change his spots???

“Be the bigger man…” That IS hilarious.

It goes to show that Republicans don't care really, as long as they can get the W. They'd elect a rotting fish if it got enough electoral votes.

[Ibanez]

If he had been a leader and not made COVID political, he could've weathered the storm. Trump's personality doesn't allow him to actually lead people. He just leads himself. He made it a R v D them instead of saying we need to do what's best for the country. We aren't sure but we're going to try something drastic to stem the tide.

HIs constant fighting with his own administration is just one reason he looked like he didn't know what he was doing. That sort of public feuding doesn't inspire confidence. Have your professional disagreements but don't advertise and repeat them ad nauseum during a time when before are afraid and people are dying.

And your comment about fraud - if it was so easy then why hasn't any widespread fraud been uncovered? With all of the visibility on it - you'd think the many many audits would've uncovered irregularities.

Trump didn’t make COVID political. The left and their media mouthpieces did that. 110%

Trump’s fault was his antagonistic nature and the fact that by the time COVID broke out of China, the media was conditioned to viewing everything he said as a conspiracy. But Trump told the truth about COVID and its origins as we understood them at the time.

The whole debacle surrounding COVID is more a commentary on the media than it is Trump. And it isn’t a warning or an indicator. It is just a confirmation that our media is transparently slanted leftwards. At this point CNN, MSNBC, and a few others are just the public affairs arm of the DNC.


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You're telling me Trump never interjected partisan politics into his COVID response? Please.

[kalm]

Trump didn’t make COVID political. The left and their media mouthpieces did that. 110%

Trump’s fault was his antagonistic nature and the fact that by the time COVID broke out of China, the media was conditioned to viewing everything he said as a conspiracy. But Trump told the truth about COVID and its origins as we understood them at the time.

The whole debacle surrounding COVID is more a commentary on the media than it is Trump. And it isn’t a warning or an indicator. It is just a confirmation that our media is transparently slanted leftwards. At this point CNN, MSNBC, and a few others are just the public affairs arm of the DNC.


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You're telling me Trump never interjected partisan politics into his COVID response? Please.

And DeSantis is as well.

[Ibanez]

You're telling me Trump never interjected partisan politics into his COVID response? Please.

And DeSantis is as well.

Every "leader" in 2020, R or D, played politics with a public health emergency. Denying that is just stupid. Politicians will play politics, of course, but not all politicians turned it into, " Us vs Them." Plenty of Rs and Ds are guilty of that.

[kalm]

And DeSantis is as well.

Every "leader" in 2020, R or D, played politics with a public health emergency. Denying that is just stupid.

True. And some will continue to play it, dictating the narrative, and taking credit that may not be deserved.

Politics I suppose.

[Ibanez]

Every "leader" in 2020, R or D, played politics with a public health emergency. Denying that is just stupid.

True. And some will continue to play it, dictating the narrative, and taking credit that may not be deserved.

Politics I suppose.

We've got the chaos and dysfunction we deserve.

[kalm]

True. And some will continue to play it, dictating the narrative, and taking credit that may not be deserved.

Politics I suppose.

We've got the chaos and dysfunction we deserve.

Tough to argue.

[AZGrizFan]

Why would Trump suddenly change his spots???

“Be the bigger man…” That IS hilarious.

It goes to show that Republicans don't care really, as long as they can get the W. They'd elect a rotting fish if it got enough electoral votes.

What goes to show? THAT is what you got from my post?

[Ibanez]

It goes to show that Republicans don't care really, as long as they can get the W. They'd elect a rotting fish if it got enough electoral votes.

What goes to show? THAT is what you got from my post?

I got that from watching politics since I was in High school. The Democrats aren't any better. We don't care about the quality of candidates and our elected leaders. Yet we want them to be better than they are.