Geneva Convention

[Grizalltheway]

Cost effective barbarity.

Post of the Month.

Thank you, dawg. I'll take the compliment.

Does anyone think war is not barbarous?

Native, when we found the concentration camps, did we subject Nazis to the same stuff they subjected the Jews to? No, we gave them trials and then hanged them, like we should have. Just because our enemies do to terrible shit doesn't mean we should. We're supposed to be a shining beacon to the rest of the world, remember?

[native]

You don't care until it is YOUR house burning down, then you demand with equally fervent self righteous indignation that something, By God, be done! But in most cases it is STILL someone else bearing the brunt of the burden.

If the shoe does not fit, don't wear it, but if the shoe fits, FARKUT0HELL!

So....you're pissed off at Cheney?

I take your point, Appy.

And I'll raise you one: I do not care for the fact that Bush-Cheney abandoned campaign promises and attempted nation building in the sorry tradion of previous Dem administrations they had criticized.

In this case, Bush-Cheney did not wait for a domestic political consensus before proceeding, did they?

[native]

Thank you, dawg. I'll take the compliment.

Does anyone think war is not barbarous?

Native, when we found the concentration camps, did we subject Nazis to the same stuff they subjected the Jews to? No, we gave them trials and then hanged them, like we should have. Just because our enemies do to terrible **** doesn't mean we should. We're supposed to be a shining beacon to the rest of the world, remember?

Do you think I disagree, GTH? If so, you assume too much. I am angry at the situation and at useless peaceniks who criticize without ever having been in the arena, but I do not disagree.

My recommended policy, in concurrence with my special forces friends, is that once the enemy is "out of the fight," they should be treated with dignity and care.

My point is NOT to deliver a tit for a tat, as you wrongly assumed, but to do the right things because they are right, as you also suggested. We must also do what is necessary to achieve sustainable victory and minimize loss of life.

The vast majority of the U.S. military ARE ALREADY SHINING BEACONS OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS to the rest of the world. We hold ourselves to a higher standard, but not because of useless screeching peaceniks, and certainly not because of the UN.

On the other hand, the vast majority of self-righteous peaceniks are worthless bags of bull%!t who love foreign bullies and SHOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE AND FUNCTION WITH THE VICTIMS THEY REFUSE TO PROTECT: a village under Taliban assault, Dresden during WWII, a Nazi death camp, a Soviet gulag, Cambodia in the Vietnam era, one of Ho Cho Minh's prison camps...

[Grizalltheway]

Native, when we found the concentration camps, did we subject Nazis to the same stuff they subjected the Jews to? No, we gave them trials and then hanged them, like we should have. Just because our enemies do to terrible **** doesn't mean we should. We're supposed to be a shining beacon to the rest of the world, remember?

Do you think I disagree, GTH? If so, you assume too much. I am angry at the situation and at useless peaceniks who criticize without ever having been in the arena, but I do not disagree.

My recommended policy, in concurrence with my special forces friends, is that once the enemy is "out of the fight," they should be treated with dignity and care.

My point is NOT to deliver a tit for a tat, as you wrongly assumed, but to do the right things because they are right, as you also suggested. We must also do what is necessary to achieve sustainable victory and minimize loss of life.

The vast majority of the U.S. military ARE ALREADY SHINING BEACONS OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS to the rest of the world. We hold ourselves to a higher standard, but not because of useless screeching peaceniks, and certainly not because of the UN.

On the other hand, the vast majority of self-righteous peaceniks are worthless bags of bull%!t who love foreign bullies and SHOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE AND FUNCTION WITH THE VICTIMS THEY REFUSE TO PROTECT: a village under Taliban assault, Dresden during WWII, a Nazi death camp, a Soviet gulag, Cambodia in the Vietnam era, one of Ho Cho Minh's prison camps...

Useless turd. Aren't you the one always chastising people for name calling and other childish behavior?

[native]

Do you think I disagree, GTH? If so, you assume too much. I am angry at the situation and at useless peaceniks who criticize without ever having been in the arena, but I do not disagree.

My recommended policy, in concurrence with my special forces friends, is that once the enemy is "out of the fight," they should be treated with dignity and care.

My point is NOT to deliver a tit for a tat, as you wrongly assumed, but to do the right things because they are right, as you also suggested. We must also do what is necessary to achieve sustainable victory and minimize loss of life.

The vast majority of the U.S. military ARE ALREADY SHINING BEACONS OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS to the rest of the world. We hold ourselves to a higher standard, but not because of useless screeching peaceniks, and certainly not because of the UN.

On the other hand, the vast majority of self-righteous peaceniks are worthless bags of bull%!t who love foreign bullies and SHOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE AND FUNCTION WITH THE VICTIMS THEY REFUSE TO PROTECT: a village under Taliban assault, Dresden during WWII, a Nazi death camp, a Soviet gulag, Cambodia in the Vietnam era, one of Ho Cho Minh's prison camps...

Useless turd. Aren't you the one always chastising people for name calling and other childish behavior?

Is this your admission that you ARE a peacenik who has never paid a price or borne a burden? What do you contribute to the shining beacin, GTH?

[travelinman67]

The Taliban are uncivil barbarians...regardless of how they conduct themselves on the battlefield, the mere brutality they exhibit towards defenseless women and children reveal their spiritual vacuum. As with any mindless, amoral, destructive, predatory creature, they need to be dealt with as such, and dispatched without remorse.

Debating application of the Geneva protections towards a barabaric creature, is simply mental

[Grizalltheway]

Useless turd. Aren't you the one always chastising people for name calling and other childish behavior?

What do you contribute to the shining beacin, GTH?

Just because I haven't served in the military doesn't mean I don't appreciate what they do, nor does it make me useless. Your world is painfully black and white.

[Grizalltheway]

Useless turd. Aren't you the one always chastising people for name calling and other childish behavior?

Is this your admission that you ARE a peacenik who has never paid a price or borne a burden? What do you contribute to the shining beacin, GTH?

No, it doesn't make me a peacenik.

[native]

What do you contribute to the shining beacin, GTH?

Just because I haven't served in the military doesn't mean I don't appreciate what they do, nor does it make me useless. Your world is painfully black and white.

Not always black and white, GTH. Often shades of gray, as I have acknowledged and bemaoned in my posts.

I don't care if you haven't served in the military. There are many meaningful, productive vocations and avocations, as well as millions of stellar human beings, with absolutely no connection to the military.

I do care if you have demonstrated the courage of your convictions by backing up your words with meaningful actions.

For example, a close friend served in the Peace Corps in Africa. Because she had the intellectual integrity, moral and physical courage to sacrifice for her passions and convictions and make meaningful contributions to peace, she speaks with great authority to me.

But if you are only a critic without making a contribution, you are indeed useless.

[houndawg]

Cost effective barbarity.

Post of the Month.

Thank you, dawg. I'll take the compliment.

Does anyone think war is not barbarous?

You're welcome, sir.

"Listen up men, you now have shoot-to-kill orders; don't forget that barbarity isn't cheap and we came here understaffed and underfunded, so let's keep it cost-effective. All right, lets go get 'em. Hoooah!"

[Ibanez]

Those of us that haven't served in the military aren't all cowards. Many can't (like myself), many have lost siblings, spouses, parents and friends. Many have sacrficied.

The GC is good for a conventional war between two countries, but you can't expect a war between a country and a rebel group to gladly abide by the resolutions set forth. It's naive to believe that and I think in every war, you have different circumstances, I think that if they are going to shoot us in the face, then we give them the honor of being a prisioner and undergo unorthodox tactics to obtain any form of intel.

[AZGrizFan]

Thank you, dawg. I'll take the compliment.

Does anyone think war is not barbarous?

You're welcome, sir.

"Listen up men, you now have shoot-to-kill orders; don't forget that barbarity isn't cheap and we came here understaffed and underfunded, so let's keep it cost-effective. All right, lets go get 'em. Hoooah!"

Hell, now even I am motivated!

[AZGrizFan]

Do you think I disagree, GTH? If so, you assume too much. I am angry at the situation and at useless peaceniks who criticize without ever having been in the arena, but I do not disagree.

My recommended policy, in concurrence with my special forces friends, is that once the enemy is "out of the fight," they should be treated with dignity and care.

My point is NOT to deliver a tit for a tat, as you wrongly assumed, but to do the right things because they are right, as you also suggested. We must also do what is necessary to achieve sustainable victory and minimize loss of life.

The vast majority of the U.S. military ARE ALREADY SHINING BEACONS OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS to the rest of the world. We hold ourselves to a higher standard, but not because of useless screeching peaceniks, and certainly not because of the UN.

On the other hand, the vast majority of self-righteous peaceniks are worthless bags of bull%!t who love foreign bullies and SHOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE AND FUNCTION WITH THE VICTIMS THEY REFUSE TO PROTECT: a village under Taliban assault, Dresden during WWII, a Nazi death camp, a Soviet gulag, Cambodia in the Vietnam era, one of Ho Cho Minh's prison camps...

Useless turd. Aren't you the one always chastising people for name calling and other childish behavior?

Whatsamatta, Grizall? Native hit a little too close to home on that one?

[houndawg]

Useless turd. Aren't you the one always chastising people for name calling and other childish behavior?

Is this your admission that you ARE a peacenik who has never paid a price or borne a burden? What do you contribute to the shining beacin, GTH?

Lots of people in the civilian world pay prices and bear burdens that those with a guaranteed three hots and a cot know nothing about, native.

[native]

Is this your admission that you ARE a peacenik who has never paid a price or borne a burden? What do you contribute to the shining beacin, GTH?

Lots of people in the civilian world pay prices and bear burdens that those with a guaranteed three hots and a cot know nothing about, native.

As noted in previous posts, I agree COMPLETELY with you and Mark on this issue, dawg! There are thousands of useful vocations and avocations, as well as millions of stellar human beings with NO CONNECTION to the military who make meaningful contributions every day!

[CID1990]

I certainly do know that. I know exactly what the Geneva Conventions say, particularly concerning uniformed belligerents who are surrendering themselves. However, the GC only gives a little guidance on this, and does not circumvent the discretion of soldiers on the battlefield in the heat of the fight. It is after you capture someone where the meat of the conventions come into play.

So again, I say-

Don't take fvcking prisoners.

Real simple.

Gotta disagree. Captured fighters are a great resource of intel. We shouldn't pass that up.

Just how do we get that intelligence out of them?

[BlueHen86]

Gotta disagree. Captured fighters are a great resource of intel. We shouldn't pass that up.

Just how do we get that intelligence out of them?

Ask nicely...

every time we let them up for air.

[bobbythekidd]

Just how do we get that intelligence out of them?

We gather intel from various methods. You know this. Confiscated notes, chatter, moles, etc. Torture is a direct method, but not always reliable. The more intel the unit has the better.

[death dealer]

Gotta disagree. Captured fighters are a great resource of intel. We shouldn't pass that up.

Just how do we get that intelligence out of them?

Maybe drill little holes in them and it will leak out?

[dbackjon]

Just how do we get that intelligence out of them?

Maybe drill little holes in them and it will leak out?

Sounds like a perfect job for a dentist

[death dealer]

Maybe drill little holes in them and it will leak out?

Sounds like a perfect job for a dentist

Well, I am fully equipped for the job, and, as everyone knows, dentists are all sadists, so my personality is perfectly suited for the job.