Coronavirus COVID-19

[Ibanez]

First...folx? I wasn't aware that was a word.

2nd - IS BLM taking the Republican position on vaccine requirements? I'm so turned around on this.

Must be the woke term like Latinx, in which only around 4% of Latinos know about!

I looked it up. It's been around since 1997 and is most certainly a woke term. It's also sexist...

used especially to explicitly signal the inclusion of groups commonly marginalized Having women teach other women matters. Women of color. Transgender women. Disabled women.

[UNI88]

First...folx? I wasn't aware that was a word.

2nd - IS BLM taking the Republican position on vaccine requirements? I'm so turned around on this.

Vaccine hesitancy is most pronounced in political conservatives and minorities (black and hispanic)

Is this ad actually supported by BLM or did an anti-vax group appropriate their logo (and Kendi's quote)?

[Ibanez]

Vaccine hesitancy is most pronounced in political conservatives and minorities (black and hispanic)

Is this ad actually supported by BLM or did an anti-vax group appropriate their logo (and Kendi's quote)?

It has to be a meme. But I wouldn't put it past BLM. So much weird shit has happened. I mean it's 2021 and we have Republicans screaming "My body, my choice," and stealing control from local school boards. Lord knows what's real anymore.

[kalm]

A bunch of liberals?

For what it is worth, Candace Owens tweeted she personally knows two unvaccinated that were in attendance. At this point, almost 6 months out, I would be worried more about the vaccinated spreading Delta than the unvaccinated.

Why?

[SeattleGriz]

For what it is worth, Candace Owens tweeted she personally knows two unvaccinated that were in attendance. At this point, almost 6 months out, I would be worried more about the vaccinated spreading Delta than the unvaccinated.

Why?

3 Reasons.

1) It has been shown that the vaccinated can now spread COVID as the protection against Delta wanes after 6 months (at least Pfizer, as it's all the Israelis use).

2) People NEVER listened to what this vaccine was supposed to do, which was to prevent serious illness and spread. As the spread prevention aspect has weakened, you still see way too many vaccinated that think the vaccine was sterilizing, which it never was, so they believe they are bomb proof now and mingle about freely. In addition to this belief, you also have symptom suppression that will make someone think they are fine when they aren't. Asymptomatic spread was never really a thing until this vaccine.

3) PCR testing has shown the cycle threshold counts of those vaxxed, but infected again with COVID are running right along with the unvaccinated, meaning they have just as high a viral load as the unvaxxed.

To summarize:. Vaccines effectiveness starts to wear off around 6 months, people never understood the vaccine fully so they believe they are fine, and when reinfected, have just a high viral load as those unvaxxed.

[Ibanez]

Why?

3 Reasons.

1) It has been shown that the vaccinated can now spread COVID as the protection against Delta wanes after 6 months (at least Pfizer, as it's all the Israelis use).

2) People NEVER listened to what this vaccine was supposed to do, which was to prevent serious illness and spread. As the spread prevention aspect has weakened, you still see way too many vaccinated that think the vaccine was sterilizing, which it never was, so they believe they are bomb proof now and mingle about freely. In addition to this belief, you also have symptom suppression that will make someone think they are fine when they aren't. Asymptomatic spread was never really a thing until this vaccine.

3) PCR testing has shown the cycle threshold counts of those vaxxed, but infected again with COVID are running right along with the unvaccinated, meaning they have just as high a viral load as the unvaxxed.

To summarize:. Vaccines effectiveness starts to wear off around 6 months, people never understood the vaccine fully so they believe they are fine, and when reinfected, have just a high viral load as those unvaxxed.

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

[Ibanez]

A bunch of liberals?

For what it is worth, Candace Owens tweeted she personally knows two unvaccinated that were in attendance. At this point, almost 6 months out, I would be worried more about the vaccinated spreading Delta than the unvaccinated.

Acknowledge that my wild-ass assumption was just that.

[GannonFan]

3 Reasons.

1) It has been shown that the vaccinated can now spread COVID as the protection against Delta wanes after 6 months (at least Pfizer, as it's all the Israelis use).

2) People NEVER listened to what this vaccine was supposed to do, which was to prevent serious illness and spread. As the spread prevention aspect has weakened, you still see way too many vaccinated that think the vaccine was sterilizing, which it never was, so they believe they are bomb proof now and mingle about freely. In addition to this belief, you also have symptom suppression that will make someone think they are fine when they aren't. Asymptomatic spread was never really a thing until this vaccine.

3) PCR testing has shown the cycle threshold counts of those vaxxed, but infected again with COVID are running right along with the unvaccinated, meaning they have just as high a viral load as the unvaxxed.

To summarize:. Vaccines effectiveness starts to wear off around 6 months, people never understood the vaccine fully so they believe they are fine, and when reinfected, have just a high viral load as those unvaxxed.

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

Agreed - the whole reason to have universal masking was based primarily on having the virus and being asymptomatic and not knowing you had it and potentially spreading it to others.

[SeattleGriz]

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

Agreed - the whole reason to have universal masking was based primarily on having the virus and being asymptomatic and not knowing you had it and potentially spreading it to others.

It wasn't a thing according to the W.H.O. and past epidemiological history. The WHO said it was around 2.2%

Essentially asymptomatic means you have the virus, but your body is still able to prevent you from getting ill, whereas symptomatic obviously means the virus got the upper hand.

[SeattleGriz]

3 Reasons.

1) It has been shown that the vaccinated can now spread COVID as the protection against Delta wanes after 6 months (at least Pfizer, as it's all the Israelis use).

2) People NEVER listened to what this vaccine was supposed to do, which was to prevent serious illness and spread. As the spread prevention aspect has weakened, you still see way too many vaccinated that think the vaccine was sterilizing, which it never was, so they believe they are bomb proof now and mingle about freely. In addition to this belief, you also have symptom suppression that will make someone think they are fine when they aren't. Asymptomatic spread was never really a thing until this vaccine.

3) PCR testing has shown the cycle threshold counts of those vaxxed, but infected again with COVID are running right along with the unvaccinated, meaning they have just as high a viral load as the unvaxxed.

To summarize:. Vaccines effectiveness starts to wear off around 6 months, people never understood the vaccine fully so they believe they are fine, and when reinfected, have just a high viral load as those unvaxxed.

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

I replied to Ganny as well, but wanted to reply to you. You can still have COVID and not spread. Depends if your immune system can prevent it from getting a foothold.

Brief article from a pathologist explaining a whole lot better than I am doing.

https://www.hartgroup.org/asymptomatic-spread/

[GannonFan]

Agreed - the whole reason to have universal masking was based primarily on having the virus and being asymptomatic and not knowing you had it and potentially spreading it to others.

It wasn't a thing according to the W.H.O. and past epidemiological history. The WHO said it was around 2.2%

Essentially asymptomatic means you have the virus, but your body is still able to prevent you from getting ill, whereas symptomatic obviously means the virus got the upper hand.

Eh, the way it was certainly communicated back in 2020 was that you could have the virus and could be spreading it, either before you got sick or without you ever displaying any symptoms at all. Asymptomatic spread was certainly the worry prior to the development of vaccines.

[SeattleGriz]

It wasn't a thing according to the W.H.O. and past epidemiological history. The WHO said it was around 2.2%

Essentially asymptomatic means you have the virus, but your body is still able to prevent you from getting ill, whereas symptomatic obviously means the virus got the upper hand.

Eh, the way it was certainly communicated back in 2020 was that you could have the virus and could be spreading it, either before you got sick or without you ever displaying any symptoms at all. Asymptomatic spread was certainly the worry prior to the development of vaccines.

Agreed, and it was uninformed scaremongering. Read this article from a Pathologist. Short read. He talks about what I am saying. Plus, remember when you could catch COVID and not develop immunity? That was a thing too.

https://www.hartgroup.org/asymptomatic-spread/

[89Hen]

I don't think that would be a wise bet.

A bunch of liberals?

All 400 people? I don't care if they are all work for Pfizer.

[Ibanez]

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

I replied to Ganny as well, but wanted to reply to you. You can still have COVID and not spread. Depends if your immune system can prevent it from getting a foothold.

Brief article from a pathologist explaining a whole lot better than I am doing.

https://www.hartgroup.org/asymptomatic-spread/

Maybe i'm not understanding what " wasn't a thing" means to you. Asymptomatic spread was something understood. I remember in February 2020, people at work were talking about how our colleagues who had just come back from China could be carriers and never know it. Perhaps it wasn't as widely understood / realized until later in the Spring/ early summer...?

[Ibanez]

A bunch of liberals?

All 400 people? I don't care if they are all work for Pfizer.

Their body / their choice

[89Hen]

Just saying it is an unwise bet. I think you'd have a hard time putting together a group of 400 people ALL of whom are vaccinated.

[Ibanez]

Agreed - the whole reason to have universal masking was based primarily on having the virus and being asymptomatic and not knowing you had it and potentially spreading it to others.

It wasn't a thing according to the W.H.O. and past epidemiological history. The WHO said it was around 2.2%

Essentially asymptomatic means you have the virus, but your body is still able to prevent you from getting ill, whereas symptomatic obviously means the virus got the upper hand.

Thanks for defining "asymptomatic" - I was asleep during the last pandemic and didn't hear the world 24/7. Please tell me more, Mr. Science.

[Ibanez]

Just saying it is an unwise bet. I think you'd have a hard time putting together a group of 400 people ALL of whom are vaccinated.

Yeah - I already said it was a wild-ass assumption.

[SeattleGriz]

I replied to Ganny as well, but wanted to reply to you. You can still have COVID and not spread. Depends if your immune system can prevent it from getting a foothold.

Brief article from a pathologist explaining a whole lot better than I am doing.

https://www.hartgroup.org/asymptomatic-spread/

Maybe i'm not understanding what " wasn't a thing" means to you. Asymptomatic spread was something understood. I remember in February 2020, people at work were talking about how our colleagues who had just come back from China could be carriers and never know it. Perhaps it wasn't as widely understood / realized until later in the Spring/ early summer...?

Wasn't a thing before COVID because:

This assumption was simply accepted as fact and, thus far, has never been adequately demonstrated in the available scientific evidence.

Give the article a read. The guy explains a lot of the issue had to do with the testing and how the rules were changed.

It is therefore arguable that the asymptomatic diagnoses last spring were all due to false positive test results. No testing system is perfect

.

[Ibanez]

Maybe i'm not understanding what " wasn't a thing" means to you. Asymptomatic spread was something understood. I remember in February 2020, people at work were talking about how our colleagues who had just come back from China could be carriers and never know it. Perhaps it wasn't as widely understood / realized until later in the Spring/ early summer...?

Wasn't a thing before COVID because:

This assumption was simply accepted as fact and, thus far, has never been adequately demonstrated in the available scientific evidence.

Give the article a read. The guy explains a lot of the issue had to do with the testing and how the rules were changed.

It is therefore arguable that the asymptomatic diagnoses last spring were all due to false positive test results. No testing system is perfect

.

If it's arguable that the diagnoses were false positive is the inverse not also equally arguable?

We've understood people could be asymptomatic of a lot of illnesses long before COVID including other types of SARS. So why would COVID-19 be any different? People could have the flu and not feel anything. The 2nd stage of HIV/AIDS is asymptomatic.


I'll have to read the article later - it's blocked.

[Gil Dobie]

3 Reasons.

1) It has been shown that the vaccinated can now spread COVID as the protection against Delta wanes after 6 months (at least Pfizer, as it's all the Israelis use).

2) People NEVER listened to what this vaccine was supposed to do, which was to prevent serious illness and spread. As the spread prevention aspect has weakened, you still see way too many vaccinated that think the vaccine was sterilizing, which it never was, so they believe they are bomb proof now and mingle about freely. In addition to this belief, you also have symptom suppression that will make someone think they are fine when they aren't. Asymptomatic spread was never really a thing until this vaccine.

3) PCR testing has shown the cycle threshold counts of those vaxxed, but infected again with COVID are running right along with the unvaccinated, meaning they have just as high a viral load as the unvaxxed.

To summarize:. Vaccines effectiveness starts to wear off around 6 months, people never understood the vaccine fully so they believe they are fine, and when reinfected, have just a high viral load as those unvaxxed.

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

I was under the impression that the Covid Vaccine would be similar to the flu vaccine. Yearly shot and not effective against all strains of covid.

[Gil Dobie]

Wasn't a thing before COVID because:



Give the article a read. The guy explains a lot of the issue had to do with the testing and how the rules were changed.

.

If it's arguable that the diagnoses were false positive is the inverse not also equally arguable?

We've understood people could be asymptomatic of a lot of illnesses long before COVID including other types of SARS. So why would COVID-19 be any different? People could have the flu and not feel anything. The 2nd stage of HIV/AIDS is asymptomatic.


I'll have to read the article later - it's blocked.

It was also true with Polio. Only around 2% had the fatal version of Polio. Many had Polio and didn't even know it.

[Ibanez]

4 - People, incorrectly, believe a vaccine is 110% protection and lose their shit when a politically controversial vaccine has the audacity to be less than 100% effective, in perpetuity. Also - in the past year we all apparently become MDs and Epidemiologists and know that breakthrough cases are just BS...right?


I wouldn't say Asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing...it's all you heard last spring. How many news stories were about people having it and not knowing?

I was under the impression that the Covid Vaccine would be similar to the flu vaccine. Yearly shot and not effective against all strains of covid.

I assumed that as well...but that's only b/c that was the messaging from the dang dirty MSM. My mistake....

[SeattleGriz]

Wasn't a thing before COVID because:



Give the article a read. The guy explains a lot of the issue had to do with the testing and how the rules were changed.

.

If it's arguable that the diagnoses were false positive is the inverse not also equally arguable?

We've understood people could be asymptomatic of a lot of illnesses long before COVID including other types of SARS. So why would COVID-19 be any different? People could have the flu and not feel anything. The 2nd stage of HIV/AIDS is asymptomatic.


I'll have to read the article later - it's blocked.

Not really a thing. Still happens, but very rarely.

[Ibanez]

If it's arguable that the diagnoses were false positive is the inverse not also equally arguable?

We've understood people could be asymptomatic of a lot of illnesses long before COVID including other types of SARS. So why would COVID-19 be any different? People could have the flu and not feel anything. The 2nd stage of HIV/AIDS is asymptomatic.


I'll have to read the article later - it's blocked.

Not really a thing. Still happens, but very rarely.

What isn't really a thing? Having symptoms of something but not presenting?