Disgraceful

[SDHornet]

So grab territory before a negotiation with the Afghan gubmint. Explain how exactly that was supposed to work.

And not buying any blame on Orange Man other than it being a "weak deal". Which it could be, but doesn't really matter now if Biden* had no intention of honoring it.

As agreed to, it wasn't going to work. That's why it was a "weak deal" and should have been renegotiated before the withdrawal continued.

I blame the Orange Man for negotiating a "weak deal" and being a loser, hypocrite about it. I blame Biden for the results of implementing a "weak deal". It doesn't matter who negotiated it, Biden implemented it and he owns what happened.

We'll never know if it wasn't going to work because Biden* had no intention of honoring it, or re-negotiating the timeline. Biden* owns this failure 100%. What's worse is they (Biden* and the woke generals) saw this coming, didn't get people out nor did they use force to keep the flood at bay. Hell, they even closed Bagram with everything closing in on them. Amazing failure here and I don't see how this is some how Trumps fault.

[SDHornet]

Not sure if this clip is cut short and leaves out needed context, but Austin sure looked desperate when asked if diplomacy was the only way to get the stranded out of Afghanistan.

Yikes.

[UNI88]

As agreed to, it wasn't going to work. That's why it was a "weak deal" and should have been renegotiated before the withdrawal continued.

I blame the Orange Man for negotiating a "weak deal" and being a loser, hypocrite about it. I blame Biden for the results of implementing a "weak deal". It doesn't matter who negotiated it, Biden implemented it and he owns what happened.

We'll never know if it wasn't going to work because Biden* had no intention of honoring it, or re-negotiating the timeline. Biden* owns this failure 100%. What's worse is they (Biden* and the woke generals) saw this coming, didn't get people out nor did they use force to keep the flood at bay. Hell, they even closed Bagram with everything closing in on them. Amazing failure here and I don't see how this is some how Trumps fault.

What did Biden change other than the timeline? Biden implemented Trump's plan. It didn't work. It's pretty safe to say that it wouldn't have worked for Trump either (unless he renegotiated it).

I've been clear that Biden owns the actual results. I'm not blaming them on Trump; I am pointing out Trump's hypocrisy in crowing about himself and how things would have been different if he were President. The MAGAts can suck up the bullsh!t but I'm not buying it.

[SeattleGriz]

We'll never know if it wasn't going to work because Biden* had no intention of honoring it, or re-negotiating the timeline. Biden* owns this failure 100%. What's worse is they (Biden* and the woke generals) saw this coming, didn't get people out nor did they use force to keep the flood at bay. Hell, they even closed Bagram with everything closing in on them. Amazing failure here and I don't see how this is some how Trumps fault.

What did Biden change other than the timeline? Biden implemented Trump's plan. It didn't work. It's pretty safe to say that it wouldn't have worked for Trump either (unless he renegotiated it).

I've been clear that Biden owns the actual results. I'm not blaming them on Trump; I am pointing out Trump's hypocrisy in crowing about himself and how things would have been different if he were President. The MAGAts can suck up the bullsh!t but I'm not buying it.

Prove Biden used Trump's plan. Trump's plan had phases and was blessed by the UN.

Trump plan also stated there would be big problems if the Taliban didn't follow the plan.

That sounds NOTHING like what Biden did.

We all know Afghanistan was going to be shit after we left, but it's how Biden executed. Biden hasnt followed one thing Trump did, so why did he follow Trump's plan now?

[UNI88]

What did Biden change other than the timeline? Biden implemented Trump's plan. It didn't work. It's pretty safe to say that it wouldn't have worked for Trump either (unless he renegotiated it).

I've been clear that Biden owns the actual results. I'm not blaming them on Trump; I am pointing out Trump's hypocrisy in crowing about himself and how things would have been different if he were President. The MAGAts can suck up the bullsh!t but I'm not buying it.

Prove Biden used Trump's plan. Trump's plan had phases and was blessed by the UN.

Trump plan also stated there would be big problems if the Taliban didn't follow the plan.

That sounds NOTHING like what Biden did.

We all know Afghanistan was going to be shit after we left, but it's how Biden executed.

SD's earlier quote from Pence included a summary of Trump's plan. The Taliban met the requirements of Trump's plan which didn't preclude them from taking over territory. Except for the withdrawal date, Biden used Trump's plan. Prove me wrong.

[SeattleGriz]

Prove Biden used Trump's plan. Trump's plan had phases and was blessed by the UN.

Trump plan also stated there would be big problems if the Taliban didn't follow the plan.

That sounds NOTHING like what Biden did.

We all know Afghanistan was going to be shit after we left, but it's how Biden executed.

SD's earlier quote from Pence included a summary of Trump's plan. Except for the withdrawal date, Biden used Trump's plan. Prove me wrong.

I asked first! You made the claim. You prove it, or it didn't happen.

[UNI88]

SD's earlier quote from Pence included a summary of Trump's plan. Except for the withdrawal date, Biden used Trump's plan. Prove me wrong.

I asked first! You made the claim. You prove it, or it didn't happen.

I asked long before that post.

[SeattleGriz]

I asked first! You made the claim. You prove it, or it didn't happen.

I asked long before that post.

Not to me. Our discussion is fresh and I asked first.

[UNI88]

SD's earlier quote from Pence included a summary of Trump's plan. Except for the withdrawal date, Biden used Trump's plan. Prove me wrong.

I asked first! You made the claim. You prove it, or it didn't happen.

OK lazy, here you go ...

Trump's agreement was negotiated without the participation of the Afghan government (kind of like Nixon negotiating with North Vietnam without the government of South Vietnam) had 4 main points:

• Taliban would prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by those against the security of the US and its allies
• Withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan
• The Taliban will negotiate with the Afghan government beginning on March 10, 2020
• A permanent cease-fire will be on the agenda of the negotiations

Where does it say that the Taliban can't take over the country once the US withdraws?

This is 100% on Biden but Trump's BS that it would have been different if he were still President is just that - bullsh!t.

[Winterborn]

I disagree. Anybody who voted for Biden most certainly was NOT “using the information they had at hand”. In the immortal words of a former AZ Cardinals HC, “He is who we thought he was!” If you didn’t know that this was EXACTLY what you were going to get, then you probably were not paying attention.

AZ,

I completely understand where you are coming from and in many way's agree with your disagreement. I looked at it this way, for 4 years Trump voters were called names (and worse in some cases) by the media and a segment of politicians and it was wrong. There should of been an agree to disagree and then move on (but that doesn't generate clicks and rile up a base). I voted for the guy the second time (not the first) because based on the research I did, Biden was a windsock and had about as much morals as Trump did. He just was very good at putting on a particular persona and said the right things to a media that was more than content to not dig.

I spent about 40 hours doing research this past election (federal,state, and local), which is about 10-15 hours more than I typically spend on any given election year. For me it came down to Trump and Jo Jurgensen. I did not like Trump as a person (still feel the same), nor did I like his lack of tact in handling certain situations/usage of Twitter among other things. What I did like was some of his policies (much more so than what Biden would do based on his track record and being a Delawarean), but I was still strongly considering Jorgensen (I did not like Spike initially but currently much more favorable towards him). Jurgensen lost me with the way she handled a couple situations and the lack of a backbone she demonstrated in those that I knew she would need in DC to implement her platform. Another item that factored heavily into my consideration was the '92 election with Perot, Clinton, and Bush. Were Perot split the results and allowed Clinton to win.

My thoughts when writing the post that I did was that I (and we as a country, IMHO) need to take the high road and while I may disagree with someones choices, I am not going to beat them up over it. I get the "not Trump" vote, the guy was/is an ass. Do I agree with their choice, no, but I support them to have the right to choose without calling them names (not saying you did and you have been very civil) and dehumanizing them like some Dem's did to Trump voters. Personally, I think their vote was looking at the situation from an emotional and short sited perspective, but those that did vote that way, with what is coming out about his "leadership style" with Afghanistan, now have an objective example of why they should of looked a bit deeper and consider other factors (and maybe "mean" tweets were not that big of a deal). The high road also takes the emotional response (investment) we all have in a decision we make, out of the equation a bit. Nobody likes to have something rubbed in their face and when that has been done to me in the past, I tend to want to do the opposite of what they want, just to poke them in the eye so to speak.

Some people will learn from this situation and some people will not. Will Rogers once said: "There are three types of men. The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." Not everyone is perfect and born with a conservative mindset ( ), some have to "pee on the electric fence" so to speak before they learn. And there are going to be a segment that never do grow and learn. I would rather spend my time debating those that have shown they are capable of learning and let the rest wallow in the darkness of their own creation.

Time is of a very limited commodity, and I am not going to waste it on those that are incapable of learning. It is why I first joined this board after being on AGS (the discussion and viewpoints were much greater here than there), as for the most part posters here, outside of a few exceptions that keep things interesting, have shown the ability to learn and grow. I probably will never agree completely with most on this board, but I still would have a beer with them as I respect their opinions (well mostly ).

And most of this is not directed at you or the conversation going on here but something that I have been contemplating for a couple of years and this was an excuse to type it up and free up some brain space. Some people will read this and some will skim it like a JSO screed, but even if one person reads it and maybe thinks a bit about a voting decision next time, it was worth my effort.

[SeattleGriz]

I asked first! You made the claim. You prove it, or it didn't happen.

OK lazy, here you go ...

Trump's agreement was negotiated without the participation of the Afghan government (kind of like Nixon negotiating with North Vietnam without the government of South Vietnam) had 4 main points:

• Taliban would prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by those against the security of the US and its allies
• Withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan
• The Taliban will negotiate with the Afghan government beginning on March 10, 2020
• A permanent cease-fire will be on the agenda of the negotiations

Where does it say that the Taliban can't take over the country once the US withdraws?

This is 100% on Biden but Trump's BS that it would have been different if he were still President is just that - bullsh!t.

Thank you.

I never said that the Taliban wouldn't take over-everone knew that would happen. I said that Trump warned the Taliban not to mess with the plan or all hell would break loose.

Regardless of all that, Biden did not get all the civilians out first. He also closed the military base and only left the local airport as the means to get out of Dodge.

You really think that was the plan? To leave those most vulnerable? Trump also was planning to destroy weapons and bases. You are really reaching if you think Biden followed Trump's plan as it was supposed to happen.

[CID1990]

OK lazy, here you go ...

Trump's agreement was negotiated without the participation of the Afghan government (kind of like Nixon negotiating with North Vietnam without the government of South Vietnam) had 4 main points:

• Taliban would prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by those against the security of the US and its allies
• Withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan
• The Taliban will negotiate with the Afghan government beginning on March 10, 2020
• A permanent cease-fire will be on the agenda of the negotiations

Where does it say that the Taliban can't take over the country once the US withdraws?

This is 100% on Biden but Trump's BS that it would have been different if he were still President is just that - bullsh!t.

Thank you.

I never said that the Taliban wouldn't take over-everone knew that would happen. I said that Trump warned the Taliban not to mess with the plan or all hell would break loose.

Regardless of all that, Biden did not get all the civilians out first. He also closed the military base and only left the local airport as the means to get out of Dodge.

You really think that was the plan? To leave those most vulnerable? Trump also was planning to destroy weapons and bases. You are really reaching if you think Biden followed Trump's plan as it was supposed to happen.

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[UNI88]

OK lazy, here you go ...

Trump's agreement was negotiated without the participation of the Afghan government (kind of like Nixon negotiating with North Vietnam without the government of South Vietnam) had 4 main points:

• Taliban would prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by those against the security of the US and its allies
• Withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan
• The Taliban will negotiate with the Afghan government beginning on March 10, 2020
• A permanent cease-fire will be on the agenda of the negotiations

Where does it say that the Taliban can't take over the country once the US withdraws?

This is 100% on Biden but Trump's BS that it would have been different if he were still President is just that - bullsh!t.

Thank you.

I never said that the Taliban wouldn't take over-everone knew that would happen. I said that Trump warned the Taliban not to mess with the plan or all hell would break loose.

Regardless of all that, Biden did not get all the civilians out first. He also closed the military base and only left the local airport as the means to get out of Dodge.

You really think that was the plan? To leave those most vulnerable? Trump also was planning to destroy weapons and bases. You are really reaching if you think Biden followed Trump's plan as it was supposed to happen.

The Taliban didn't mess with the plan. They met the conditions of their agreement with Trump. If all hell broke loose it would have been Trump's fault for negotiating a bad deal, not the Talibans for not meeting the conditions.

Yes, Biden did not get the civilians out first and closed the military base. Trump planned an earlier evacuation, could he have done better? Yes but he also could have done just as poorly given the shorter timeframe.

The most vulnerable weren't even part of the plan. They were an afterthought for Trump and for Biden. Trump (like Biden) doesn't care about anybody but himself, the vulnerable are pawns in a game. There were plenty of people concerned about the future of women in Afghanistan from the moment Trump's agreement was announced.

I haven't seen real proof that Trump planned to destroy the weapons and bases - now it's time for you to step up and show me the evidence.

[AZGrizFan]

I disagree. Anybody who voted for Biden most certainly was NOT “using the information they had at hand”. In the immortal words of a former AZ Cardinals HC, “He is who we thought he was!” If you didn’t know that this was EXACTLY what you were going to get, then you probably were not paying attention.

AZ,

I completely understand where you are coming from and in many way's agree with your disagreement. I looked at it this way, for 4 years Trump voters were called names (and worse in some cases) by the media and a segment of politicians and it was wrong. There should of been an agree to disagree and then move on (but that doesn't generate clicks and rile up a base). I voted for the guy the second time (not the first) because based on the research I did, Biden was a windsock and had about as much morals as Trump did. He just was very good at putting on a particular persona and said the right things to a media that was more than content to not dig.

I spent about 40 hours doing research this past election (federal,state, and local), which is about 10-15 hours more than I typically spend on any given election year. For me it came down to Trump and Jo Jurgensen. I did not like Trump as a person (still feel the same), nor did I like his lack of tact in handling certain situations/usage of Twitter among other things. What I did like was some of his policies (much more so than what Biden would do based on his track record and being a Delawarean), but I was still strongly considering Jorgensen (I did not like Spike initially but currently much more favorable towards him). Jurgensen lost me with the way she handled a couple situations and the lack of a backbone she demonstrated in those that I knew she would need in DC to implement her platform. Another item that factored heavily into my consideration was the '92 election with Perot, Clinton, and Bush. Were Perot split the results and allowed Clinton to win.

My thoughts when writing the post that I did was that I (and we as a country, IMHO) need to take the high road and while I may disagree with someones choices, I am not going to beat them up over it. I get the "not Trump" vote, the guy was/is an ass. Do I agree with their choice, no, but I support them to have the right to choose without calling them names (not saying you did and you have been very civil) and dehumanizing them like some Dem's did to Trump voters. Personally, I think their vote was looking at the situation from an emotional and short sited perspective, but those that did vote that way, with what is coming out about his "leadership style" with Afghanistan, now have an objective example of why they should of looked a bit deeper and consider other factors (and maybe "mean" tweets were not that big of a deal). The high road also takes the emotional response (investment) we all have in a decision we make, out of the equation a bit. Nobody likes to have something rubbed in their face and when that has been done to me in the past, I tend to want to do the opposite of what they want, just to poke them in the eye so to speak.

Some people will learn from this situation and some people will not. Will Rogers once said: "There are three types of men. The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." Not everyone is perfect and born with a conservative mindset ( ), some have to "pee on the electric fence" so to speak before they learn. And there are going to be a segment that never do grow and learn. I would rather spend my time debating those that have shown they are capable of learning and let the rest wallow in the darkness of their own creation.

Time is of a very limited commodity, and I am not going to waste it on those that are incapable of learning. It is why I first joined this board after being on AGS (the discussion and viewpoints were much greater here than there), as for the most part posters here, outside of a few exceptions that keep things interesting, have shown the ability to learn and grow. I probably will never agree completely with most on this board, but I still would have a beer with them as I respect their opinions (well mostly ).

And most of this is not directed at you or the conversation going on here but something that I have been contemplating for a couple of years and this was an excuse to type it up and free up some brain space. Some people will read this and some will skim it like a JSO screed, but even if one person reads it and maybe thinks a bit about a voting decision next time, it was worth my effort.

I don’t disagree with your post at all. Two points stick out, though: YOU did your research. Most voters do not (and that’s on both sides of the aisle). But the corollary to that is that ANYONE who was an “informed” voter who STILL pulled the lever for Biden simply because he wasn’t Trump (and theoretically wasn’t an “ass”, although one could argue otherwise), cannot NOW step forward and claim they never would have expected this. This has been Biden’s MO his entire time in congress. Almost without exception. So, as I told Mark, to feign surprise that this is how this was handled is disingenuous. Anyone with a brainstem knew that Biden would/could fuck up a wet dream….and here we are.

I held my nose and voted Trump in 2020 also, (and also having not voted for him in 2016)….but really, which is worse? Being an ass? Or 50 years of proven incompetence?

[Winterborn]

I don’t disagree with your post at all. Two points stick out, though: YOU did your research. Most voters do not (and that’s on both sides of the aisle). But the corollary to that is that ANYONE who was an “informed” voter who STILL pulled the lever for Biden simply because he wasn’t Trump (and theoretically wasn’t an “ass”, although one could argue otherwise), cannot NOW step forward and claim they never would have expected this. This has been Biden’s MO his entire time in congress. Almost without exception. So, as I told Mark, to feign surprise that this is how this was handled is disingenuous. Anyone with a brainstem knew that Biden would/could fuck up a wet dream….and here we are.

I held my nose and voted Trump in 2020 also, (and also having not voted for him in 2016)….but really, which is worse? Being an ass? Or 50 years of proven incompetence?

The only thing I can say, is that maybe they should of ranked certain things higher on their priority list. But that is 20/20 looking back. I never expected Biden to be this stupid and incompetent. I knew he would be bad, just not this bad. So in that case, I am surprised just as they are and learned not to underestimate a politicians incompetence (As if my opinion of a politician could get any lower, but I guess there is always negative values).

For me, the 50 years of being an incompetent politician that only enriched himself and his family (and in most cases voted for bills that I was directly opposed to and were extremely short sited) as opposed to a NY land mogul who did things the normal NY land mogul way (not that it was the right way).

As for how much an ass Trump was/is, remains to be seen. With the crap the Dem's have pulled and continue to pull, (Russian collusion, etc.) can't say I blame the guy for acting the way he did. It is not the way I would of done it, but I have a bit of an understanding why.

Maybe I am too middle of the road.

[SeattleGriz]

Thank you.

I never said that the Taliban wouldn't take over-everone knew that would happen. I said that Trump warned the Taliban not to mess with the plan or all hell would break loose.

Regardless of all that, Biden did not get all the civilians out first. He also closed the military base and only left the local airport as the means to get out of Dodge.

You really think that was the plan? To leave those most vulnerable? Trump also was planning to destroy weapons and bases. You are really reaching if you think Biden followed Trump's plan as it was supposed to happen.

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Warmer?

Biden canceled the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau prior to the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. This was a Trump-era program that existed specifically to handle what we are seeing on the ground right now.

[AZGrizFan]

I don’t disagree with your post at all. Two points stick out, though: YOU did your research. Most voters do not (and that’s on both sides of the aisle). But the corollary to that is that ANYONE who was an “informed” voter who STILL pulled the lever for Biden simply because he wasn’t Trump (and theoretically wasn’t an “ass”, although one could argue otherwise), cannot NOW step forward and claim they never would have expected this. This has been Biden’s MO his entire time in congress. Almost without exception. So, as I told Mark, to feign surprise that this is how this was handled is disingenuous. Anyone with a brainstem knew that Biden would/could fuck up a wet dream….and here we are.

I held my nose and voted Trump in 2020 also, (and also having not voted for him in 2016)….but really, which is worse? Being an ass? Or 50 years of proven incompetence?

The only thing I can say, is that maybe they should of ranked certain things higher on their priority list. But that is 20/20 looking back. I never expected Biden to be this stupid and incompetent. I knew he would be bad, just not this bad. So in that case, I am surprised just as they are and learned not to underestimate a politicians incompetence (As if my opinion of a politician could get any lower, but I guess there is always negative values).

For me, the 50 years of being an incompetent politician that only enriched himself and his family (and in most cases voted for bills that I was directly opposed to and were extremely short sited) as opposed to a NY land mogul who did things the normal NY land mogul way (not that it was the right way).

As for how much an ass Trump was/is, remains to be seen. With the crap the Dem's have pulled and continue to pull, (Russian collusion, etc.) can't say I blame the guy for acting the way he did. It is not the way I would of done it, but I have a bit of an understanding why.

Maybe I am too middle of the road.

I’m right there with ya, bud.

[SDHornet]

I asked first! You made the claim. You prove it, or it didn't happen.

OK lazy, here you go ...

Trump's agreement was negotiated without the participation of the Afghan government (kind of like Nixon negotiating with North Vietnam without the government of South Vietnam) had 4 main points:

• Taliban would prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by those against the security of the US and its allies
• Withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan
• The Taliban will negotiate with the Afghan government beginning on March 10, 2020
• A permanent cease-fire will be on the agenda of the negotiations

Where does it say that the Taliban can't take over the country once the US withdraws?

This is 100% on Biden but Trump's BS that it would have been different if he were still President is just that - bullsh!t.

Again, how are negotiation between the Taliban and Afghan gubmint supposed to playout if they are taking territory?

Trumps deal gave the US a way to save face on the way out. Biden* in his infinite wisdom decided to disregard the whole thing and let the Taliban run wild. And I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that the Taliban wouldn't have taken over again, but doing so while the US still has thousands of citizens in country and claiming this would have happened under Trump is a big ass reach.

[SDHornet]

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Warmer?

Biden canceled the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau prior to the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. This was a Trump-era program that existed specifically to handle what we are seeing on the ground right now.

But Trump wouldn't have done better.

[UNI88]

OK lazy, here you go ...

Trump's agreement was negotiated without the participation of the Afghan government (kind of like Nixon negotiating with North Vietnam without the government of South Vietnam) had 4 main points:

• Taliban would prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by those against the security of the US and its allies
• Withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan
• The Taliban will negotiate with the Afghan government beginning on March 10, 2020
• A permanent cease-fire will be on the agenda of the negotiations

Where does it say that the Taliban can't take over the country once the US withdraws?

This is 100% on Biden but Trump's BS that it would have been different if he were still President is just that - bullsh!t.

Again, how are negotiation between the Taliban and Afghan gubmint supposed to playout if they are taking territory?

Trumps deal gave the US a way to save face on the way out. Biden* in his infinite wisdom decided to disregard the whole thing and let the Taliban run wild. And I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that the Taliban wouldn't have taken over again, but doing so while the US still has thousands of citizens in country and claiming this would have happened under Trump is a big ass reach.

What did Biden disregard? The Taliban met and continued to meet the terms of that agreement while US forces withdrew. Biden screwed this up but not because he disregarded or screwed up the agreement that Trump negotiated. That agreement was a farce, a 12 y/o could have negotiated a better agreement.

[SDHornet]

Thread on the insanity it is for people to get into the airport to GTFO.

[SDHornet]

Again, how are negotiation between the Taliban and Afghan gubmint supposed to playout if they are taking territory?

Trumps deal gave the US a way to save face on the way out. Biden* in his infinite wisdom decided to disregard the whole thing and let the Taliban run wild. And I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that the Taliban wouldn't have taken over again, but doing so while the US still has thousands of citizens in country and claiming this would have happened under Trump is a big ass reach.

What did Biden disregard? The Taliban met and continued to meet the terms of that agreement while US forces withdrew. Biden screwed this up but not because he disregarded or screwed up the agreement that Trump negotiated. That agreement was a farce, a 12 y/o could have negotiated a better agreement.

The May 1 deadline.

We'll never know if a "better agreement" could have been made. You're seriously negotiating with an Islamofascist group. How much "better" could it get? And now Biden* is basically begging the Taliban to let our folks get to the airport. Seriously, a "better agreement"? C'mon man.

[UNI88]

What did Biden disregard? The Taliban met and continued to meet the terms of that agreement while US forces withdrew. Biden screwed this up but not because he disregarded or screwed up the agreement that Trump negotiated. That agreement was a farce, a 12 y/o could have negotiated a better agreement.

The May 1 deadline.

We'll never know if a "better agreement" could have been made. You're seriously negotiating with an Islamofascist group. How much "better" could it get? And now Biden* is basically begging the Taliban to let our folks get to the airport. Seriously, a "better agreement"? C'mon man.

Changing the withdrawal date isn't disregarding "the whole thing" and the cluster fvck could have been even worse with an earlier withdrawal date.

I'm not defending Biden, he fvcked this up royally. I'm poking holes in the false narrative that this somehow would have gone much better if Trump had been President.

[SDHornet]

The May 1 deadline.

We'll never know if a "better agreement" could have been made. You're seriously negotiating with an Islamofascist group. How much "better" could it get? And now Biden* is basically begging the Taliban to let our folks get to the airport. Seriously, a "better agreement"? C'mon man.

Changing the withdrawal date isn't disregarding "the whole thing" and the cluster fvck could have been even worse with an earlier withdrawal date.

I'm not defending Biden, he fvcked this up royally. I'm poking holes in the false narrative that this somehow would have gone much better if Trump had been President.

It's not reneging on the deal that the previous guy made? Ok, take that up with the Taliban because they obviously feel differently.

Again, we're arguing on hypotheticals regarding Trump wouldn't have been as bad...but really after seeing video footage of the past week you really think it would have gone just as bad under Trump? Seriously? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.

[SDHornet]

Twitter thread taking about the SIV process. Basically lots of things slowed it up (China Virus outbreak in Kabul), but there was never a way all of these folks were going to get out in time.