Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

“A conservative radio host from Tennessee who was critical of vaccination efforts and mask mandates died on Saturday, after weeks in a Nashville hospital battling Covid-19.

Phil Valentine’s death was reported by his station, SuperTalk 99.7 WTN, on Saturday afternoon…..

Before contracting Covid-19, Valentine’s comments on the pandemic included performing a song called Vaxman, to the tune of Taxman, George Harrison’s Beatles number against government taxation.

“Let me tell you how it will be,” he sang, “and I don’t care if you agree, ‘Cause I’m the Vaxman, yeah I’m the Vaxman. If you don’t like me coming round, be thankful I don’t hold you down.”

News of Valentine’s hospitalisation in July prompted worldwide news interest. His family said then: “Phil would like for his listeners to know that while he has never been an ‘anti-vaxxer’ he regrets not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine’.”

That statement asked listeners to pray for Valentine and concluded: “PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!”“

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tAK35LKRFk

[BDKJMU]

Exactly this ^^^^

Anybody in this country who wants the vaccine already has it

In the US, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Period. Breakthrough infections are so statistically rare as to be un reportable (even though they get a lot of media attention)

At this point I have zero sympathy for the unvaccinated. Zero.


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I am in the same boat and so is my unvaxed family members. They have all had it, and are perfectly comfortable not getting the vaccine at this time. They ask for none, nor do they want anybody's sympathy.

Or being preached at for that matter.

Yep. Some of the unvaxxed have had it this hear and have natural immunity for some period of time. If I had had symptomatic China Virus, I probably would have waited 6 months to a year to get the jab.

[UNI88]

I am in the same boat and so is my unvaxed family members. They have all had it, and are perfectly comfortable not getting the vaccine at this time. They ask for none, nor do they want anybody's sympathy.

Or being preached at for that matter.

Yep. Some of the unvaxxed have had it this hear and have natural immunity.

Immunity or resistance?

Can you be immune to a coronavirus?

[BDKJMU]

Yep. Some of the unvaxxed have had it this hear and have natural immunity.

Immunity or resistance?

Can you be immune to a coronavirus?

Ok, probably resistence, same as the vaccine.

[SeattleGriz]

Positive study for Ivermectin. Helps you get over COVID quicker. That would help end this and help prevent deaths.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/isra ... ssion=true

Ivermectin, a drug used to fight parasites in third-world countries, could help reduce the length of infection for people who contract coronavirus for less than a $1 a day, according to recent research by Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer.

[Pwns]

The problem with ivermectin is knuckle heads taking doses meant for horses.

[SeattleGriz]

Yep. Some of the unvaxxed have had it this hear and have natural immunity.

Immunity or resistance?

Can you be immune to a coronavirus?

Immune to the variant you caught and resistant to the others.

[UNI88]

Immunity or resistance?

Can you be immune to a coronavirus?

Ok, probably resistence, same as the vaccine.

Same level of resistance? Do you have a link to a study that backs that up or are you just winging it based on your junior high science fair prize?

[BDKJMU]

Ok, probably resistence, same as the vaccine.

Same level of resistance? Do you have a link to a study that backs that up or are you just winging it based on your junior high science fair prize?

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News ... spx/310963

[kalm]

Lambda showing it might trick or evade immune system.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... 4S9txmNQkI

[JohnStOnge]

The problem with ivermectin is knuckle heads taking doses meant for horses.

The problem with the Ivermectin thing is that it doesn't work. Here is a fact check on it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 566216001/

I've been able to find results of one really high quality controlled experiment on it. It's at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2777389. A quote:

The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

There is no way anybody would've gotten results like that while testing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Those two vaccines were shown to be dramatically effective in clinical trials with large samples sizes but it's clear they'd have been shown to be effective at the sample sizes used in that Ivermectin experiment. The effect size is so large that there is no way it'd be missed. Yet we have a bunch of people who refuse to believe the vaccines are effective while believing Ivermectin is.

It's not. It's an anti parasitic agent. It's not an anti viral. It's like taking an antibiotic thinking it is going to cure the flu. Not going to happen.

[SeattleGriz]

The problem with ivermectin is knuckle heads taking doses meant for horses.

The problem with the Ivermectin thing is that it doesn't work. Here is a fact check on it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 566216001/

I've been able to find results of one really high quality controlled experiment on it. It's at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2777389. A quote:

The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

There is no way anybody would've gotten results like that while testing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Those two vaccines were shown to be dramatically effective in clinical trials with large samples sizes but it's clear they'd have been shown to be effective at the sample sizes used in that Ivermectin experiment. The effect size is so large that there is no way it'd be missed. Yet we have a bunch of people who refuse to believe the vaccines are effective while believing Ivermectin is.

It's not. It's an anti parasitic agent. It's like taking an antibiotic thinking it is going to cure the flu. Not going to happen.

Ivermectin displays antiviral and antiinflammatory properties as well. I'll take the word of practicing physicians over a USA today fact check. It may not be a world beater, but improvement is improvement.

[JohnStOnge]

I used Louisiana the data provided at https://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/ and by Our World in Data to see if it looks like vaccination is still highly effective. Looks like it is. As I type, the LDH site says that 89% of cases and 80% of deaths reported 8/5 - 8/11 are among people who are not fully vaccinated. Also says 91% of current hospitalizations are mong people who are not fully vaccinated.

You can Google "Louisiana COVID-19 vaccination rate" and see a display, as I type, that the "fully vaccinated" rate for Louisiana is 39.9%.

Using that, you can say that a person in Louisiana who is not fully vaccinated was about 5.4 times as likely to be a case, about 6.7% as likely to be a hospitalization, and about 2.7 times as likely to die during 8/5 - 8/11 as a person who is fully vaccinated was. The numbers translate into about 81% efficacy against illness, about 85% efficacy against hospitalization, and about 62% efficacy against death.

But there is a caveat. When clinical trial results suggested around 95% efficacy against illness, they did so i the context of a situation in which there was an effort to exclude people who had suffered COVID-19 disease before. While having COVID-19 is not as effective in conferring immunity as being vaccinated does, it does confer immunity. And about 1 in 7 people in Louisiana are reported to have had COVID-19 disease.

Bottom line: Yes, the Louisiana data indicate the vaccines continue to be highly effective. The deaths "efficacy" of "only" 62% is disconcerting, but one needs to remember that older people are disproportionately fully vaccinated.

[JohnStOnge]

The problem with the Ivermectin thing is that it doesn't work. Here is a fact check on it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 566216001/

I've been able to find results of one really high quality controlled experiment on it. It's at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2777389. A quote:



There is no way anybody would've gotten results like that while testing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Those two vaccines were shown to be dramatically effective in clinical trials with large samples sizes but it's clear they'd have been shown to be effective at the sample sizes used in that Ivermectin experiment. The effect size is so large that there is no way it'd be missed. Yet we have a bunch of people who refuse to believe the vaccines are effective while believing Ivermectin is.

It's not. It's an anti parasitic agent. It's like taking an antibiotic thinking it is going to cure the flu. Not going to happen.

Ivermectin displays antiviral and antiinflammatory properties as well. I'll take the word of practicing physicians over a USA today fact check. It may not be a world beater, but improvement is improvement.

Ivermectin does not work. A practicing physician is in no position to make a judgement on the matter. Sorry, but that is the truth. A practicing physician is not conducting a clinical trial whereby people are randomly assigned to treatment and control groups.

The way it is supposed to work is that practicing physicians are supposed to look at what the people who do assess such things...like FDA and CDC...determine then make their decisions accordingly. Deciding whether a treatment works or not is not their job. Their job is to stay informed with respect to what the people who are responsible for making those determinations determine.

[JohnStOnge]

The problem with the Ivermectin thing is that it doesn't work. Here is a fact check on it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 566216001/

I've been able to find results of one really high quality controlled experiment on it. It's at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2777389. A quote:



There is no way anybody would've gotten results like that while testing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Those two vaccines were shown to be dramatically effective in clinical trials with large samples sizes but it's clear they'd have been shown to be effective at the sample sizes used in that Ivermectin experiment. The effect size is so large that there is no way it'd be missed. Yet we have a bunch of people who refuse to believe the vaccines are effective while believing Ivermectin is.

It's not. It's an anti parasitic agent. It's like taking an antibiotic thinking it is going to cure the flu. Not going to happen.

Ivermectin displays antiviral and antiinflammatory properties as well. I'll take the word of practicing physicians over a USA today fact check. It may not be a world beater, but improvement is improvement.

And BTW It's not just the USA today Fact Check. There's a link to a report on a controlled experiment published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It doesn't work.

[SeattleGriz]

Ivermectin displays antiviral and antiinflammatory properties as well. I'll take the word of practicing physicians over a USA today fact check. It may not be a world beater, but improvement is improvement.

Ivermectin does not work. A practicing physician is in no position to make a judgement on the matter. Sorry, but that is the truth. A practicing physician is not conducting a clinical trial whereby people are randomly assigned to treatment and control groups.

The way it is supposed to work is that practicing physicians are supposed to look at what the people who do assess such things...like FDA and CDC...determine then make their decisions accordingly. Deciding whether a treatment works or not is not their job. Their job is to stay informed with respect to what the people who are responsible for making those determinations determine.

The Jerusalem Post story about the double blind study says it does.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/isra ... ssion=true

[kalm]

Ivermectin does not work. A practicing physician is in no position to make a judgement on the matter. Sorry, but that is the truth. A practicing physician is not conducting a clinical trial whereby people are randomly assigned to treatment and control groups.

The way it is supposed to work is that practicing physicians are supposed to look at what the people who do assess such things...like FDA and CDC...determine then make their decisions accordingly. Deciding whether a treatment works or not is not their job. Their job is to stay informed with respect to what the people who are responsible for making those determinations determine.

The Jerusalem Post story about the double blind study says it does.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/isra ... ssion=true

Denies all legitimate research regarding Covid…Fox News pushes a possible cure for one week and it’s aces….

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

[CID1990]

The problem with the Ivermectin thing is that it doesn't work. Here is a fact check on it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 566216001/

I've been able to find results of one really high quality controlled experiment on it. It's at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2777389. A quote:
There is no way anybody would've gotten results like that while testing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Those two vaccines were shown to be dramatically effective in clinical trials with large samples sizes but it's clear they'd have been shown to be effective at the sample sizes used in that Ivermectin experiment. The effect size is so large that there is no way it'd be missed. Yet we have a bunch of people who refuse to believe the vaccines are effective while believing Ivermectin is.

It's not. It's an anti parasitic agent. It's like taking an antibiotic thinking it is going to cure the flu. Not going to happen.

Ivermectin displays antiviral and antiinflammatory properties as well. I'll take the word of practicing physicians over a USA today fact check. It may not be a world beater, but improvement is improvement.

So you ARE an Ivermectin guy

It is complete baloney

Every single “study” on Ivermectin has ridiculously small study groups. Literally in the low hundreds.


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[houndawg]

The Jerusalem Post story about the double blind study says it does.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/isra ... ssion=true

Denies all legitimate research regarding Covid…Fox News pushes a possible cure for one week and it’s aces….

So much information.....who's a girl to believe? The Jerusalem Post or JAMA....

[houndawg]

“A conservative radio host from Tennessee who was critical of vaccination efforts and mask mandates died on Saturday, after weeks in a Nashville hospital battling Covid-19.

Phil Valentine’s death was reported by his station, SuperTalk 99.7 WTN, on Saturday afternoon…..

Before contracting Covid-19, Valentine’s comments on the pandemic included performing a song called Vaxman, to the tune of Taxman, George Harrison’s Beatles number against government taxation.

“Let me tell you how it will be,” he sang, “and I don’t care if you agree, ‘Cause I’m the Vaxman, yeah I’m the Vaxman. If you don’t like me coming round, be thankful I don’t hold you down.”

News of Valentine’s hospitalisation in July prompted worldwide news interest. His family said then: “Phil would like for his listeners to know that while he has never been an ‘anti-vaxxer’ he regrets not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine’.”

That statement asked listeners to pray for Valentine and concluded: “PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!”“

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tAK35LKRFk

All the more reason to keep pushing vaccinations - the more the gubmint recommends it the harder the inbred booger-eaters will resist getting vaccinated.

[SeattleGriz]

Ivermectin displays antiviral and antiinflammatory properties as well. I'll take the word of practicing physicians over a USA today fact check. It may not be a world beater, but improvement is improvement.

So you ARE an Ivermectin guy

It is complete baloney

Every single “study” on Ivermectin has ridiculously small study groups. Literally in the low hundreds.


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As stated previously, if it offers a reduction in illness, you bet.

I watch HCQ as well to see if it is being used. Doesn't mean I think they should be used as the main line of defense, but give doctors options, especially the smart ones.

Wished I could find the article, but it was written by one of the top doctors in his field. He got together with 5 other really high powered doctors in the field and they developed a protocol others could use to help prevent COVID from taking off.

Everything they used was really cheap and readily available. Of course this was at the very beginning, so things might have changed, but it made me wonder why these 6 guys who specialize in their fields would recommend Ivermectin.

Maybe I'm being mislead, but reading stories like this doesn't help. I tend to take real world observation as important, especially in countries like India which doesn't have the expensive options the US does. Regardless the article is a little sensationalist, it sounds as if India is using Ivermectin and getting good results.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... b4dfa.html

Specific charges included the running of a disinformation campaign against Ivermectin and issuing statements in social and mainstream media to wrongfully influence the public against the use of Ivermectin despite the existence of large amounts of clinical data showing its profound effectiveness in both prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

[houndawg]

So you ARE an Ivermectin guy

It is complete baloney

Every single “study” on Ivermectin has ridiculously small study groups. Literally in the low hundreds.


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As stated previously, if it offers a reduction in illness, you bet.

I watch HCQ as well to see if it is being used. Doesn't mean I think they should be used as the main line of defense, but give doctors options, especially the smart ones.

Wished I could find the article, but it was written by one of the top doctors in his field. He got together with 5 other really high powered doctors in the field and they developed a protocol others could use to help prevent COVID from taking off.

Everything they used was really cheap and readily available. Of course this was at the very beginning, so things might have changed, but it made me wonder why these 6 guys who specialize in their fields would recommend Ivermectin.

Maybe I'm being mislead, but reading stories like this doesn't help. I tend to take real world observation as important, especially in countries like India which doesn't have the expensive options the US does. Regardless the article is a little sensationalist, it sounds as if India is using Ivermectin and getting good results.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... b4dfa.html

Specific charges included the running of a disinformation campaign against Ivermectin and issuing statements in social and mainstream media to wrongfully influence the public against the use of Ivermectin despite the existence of large amounts of clinical data showing its profound effectiveness in both prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

The Ivermectin that can be prescribed for humans is a different kind than the stuff they give horses. The booger-eaters haven't figured that out yet and are emptying the Rural King stores of the stuff for livestock and not having much luck

[BDKJMU]

Pfizer vaccine just got fully approved by the FDA..

FWIW I heard earlier this month that about 1/4 of the people who hadn’t gotten the vaccine would if it got fully approved by the FDA.Just heard someone else claim polls show 30% would.