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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:53 am And just like that, the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" has now flipped in S Nevada, where they actually collect useful stats.

The 47% vaccinated produced 52% of the deaths.

https://www.southernnevadahealthdistric ... formation/
Why did you like us to a general information page with basically no information?
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:40 am
Why did you like us to a general information page with basically no information?
I found it:
As of August 19, the Southern Nevada Health District has received reports of 6,309 fully vaccinated individuals testing positive for COVID-19. This represents 0.60% amongst the fully vaccinated or 60 cases out of every 10,000 fully vaccinated people.
http://covid.southernnevadahealthdistri ... akthrough/
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:55 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:40 am
Why did you like us to a general information page with basically no information?
I found it:
As of August 19, the Southern Nevada Health District has received reports of 6,309 fully vaccinated individuals testing positive for COVID-19. This represents 0.60% amongst the fully vaccinated or 60 cases out of every 10,000 fully vaccinated people.
http://covid.southernnevadahealthdistri ... akthrough/
I thought what he said was 52% of covid deaths were vaccinated?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:51 am
kalm wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:31 am Interesting on several levels…



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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:38 am
Winterborn wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:41 am

Separating "Medicine" from "Science means we are back to the days draining bad blood and using leeches.

For me, following the data is a much better alternative then getting the "bad spirits" drained out of me. But then again, I think that leeches should only be used as fishing bait.
Today's "Science" is politically and monetarily driven, with very little truth being released to the general public thru news media and the internet. Physicians take a Hippocratic Oath to help people. When a person finds a Doctor that they believe is truly following the oath they gave, they are usually using the best studies, testing available, and data, to treat their patients. "Science" in today's world is one of the most overly used terms to spread fake news and political agenda.
Good post. Anyone that knows how to read a graph can identify the demographics at the greatest risk of the China Virus...and then understand the broad mandates on various items (masks, vaccines, vaxx passports) are ridiculous. Then you realize this is just a power grab by "those in charge".
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:58 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:55 am

I found it:



http://covid.southernnevadahealthdistri ... akthrough/
I thought what he said was 52% of covid deaths were vaccinated?
Yeah, I'd like to see where that's coming from. Could be the case, but if you click on the latest PDF in the link I sent, it shows that of the 6309 who had breakthrough cases, 304 were hospitalized and 87 died.

Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.

52% sounds like a scary number, but even if true (which I doubt), it represents 87 of 6309 breakthrough cases (1.37%). Those breakthrough cases were already 0.6% of the population. And let's say 52% is true, South Nevada is one data point. Nearly all other data points across the entire country (and world) show the vaccines are - at least for now - great at preventing hospitalizations and death compared to non-vaccinated people.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:58 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:55 am

I found it:



http://covid.southernnevadahealthdistri ... akthrough/
I thought what he said was 52% of covid deaths were vaccinated?
They were. What trip quoted was the percentage of vaccinated in their health district that died.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:58 am

I thought what he said was 52% of covid deaths were vaccinated?
Yeah, I'd like to see where that's coming from. Could be the case, but if you click on the latest PDF in the link I sent, it shows that of the 6309 who had breakthrough cases, 304 were hospitalized and 87 died.

Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.

52% sounds like a scary number, but even if true (which I doubt), it represents 87 of 6309 breakthrough cases (1.37%). Those breakthrough cases were already 0.6% of the population. And let's say 52% is true, South Nevada is one data point. Nearly all other data points across the entire country (and world) show the vaccines are - at least for now - great at preventing hospitalizations and death compared to non-vaccinated people.
You have to take the difference in deaths from Aug 11 to Aug 19, which was 96 cases. 50 of those 96 were vaccinated, thus 52% of those that died, were vaccinated.

This site only recently started collecting this information in August and is one of the few that gives information like this.
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Makes sense considering the history of uncontained viruses.

That said, this is why mRNA vaccines are such an exciting development in medical history. They can be quickly "reformatted." While the tech's been around for decades, the pandemic allowed the world to build up the infrastructure for quicker mRNA vaccine production. Before now, they were specialized and expensive to develop.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:55 am Makes sense considering the history of uncontained viruses.

That said, this is why mRNA vaccines are such an exciting development in medical history. They can be quickly "reformatted." While the tech's been around for decades, the pandemic allowed the world to build up the infrastructure for quick mRNA production, when before they were specialized and expensive to develop.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:54 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 am

Yeah, I'd like to see where that's coming from. Could be the case, but if you click on the latest PDF in the link I sent, it shows that of the 6309 who had breakthrough cases, 304 were hospitalized and 87 died.

Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.

52% sounds like a scary number, but even if true (which I doubt), it represents 87 of 6309 breakthrough cases (1.37%). Those breakthrough cases were already 0.6% of the population. And let's say 52% is true, South Nevada is one data point. Nearly all other data points across the entire country (and world) show the vaccines are - at least for now - great at preventing hospitalizations and death compared to non-vaccinated people.
You have to take the difference in deaths from Aug 11 to Aug 19, which was 96 cases. 50 of those 96 were vaccinated, thus 52% of those that died, were vaccinated.

This site only recently started collecting this information in August and is one of the few that gives information like this.
That seems like a weird and misconstrued way to get the overall picture, but ok.

Doesn't really change the fact that South Nevada is a small data point.

The overwhelming amount of data across the entire globe shows the vaccines are working (for now). Even if they stop working in the future, at least people were significantly safer during the time period that the vaccine was effective.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:58 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:55 am Makes sense considering the history of uncontained viruses.

That said, this is why mRNA vaccines are such an exciting development in medical history. They can be quickly "reformatted." While the tech's been around for decades, the pandemic allowed the world to build up the infrastructure for quick mRNA production, when before they were specialized and expensive to develop.
You can thank me now. I spent time in a graduate lab working on the tertiary structure of Ribosomal RNA. 8-) Even got included on the list when the paper was submitted and published.

Somewhat funny story. I was the only student to enroll in the Biochem 487 lab that semester, so they threw me into a graduate lab to assist for a semester. :lol:
Well then, thank you (for real). :nod:
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Wait, so is that going to be jab #3, or jab #4 and #5?
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:02 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:58 am

You can thank me now. I spent time in a graduate lab working on the tertiary structure of Ribosomal RNA. 8-) Even got included on the list when the paper was submitted and published.

Somewhat funny story. I was the only student to enroll in the Biochem 487 lab that semester, so they threw me into a graduate lab to assist for a semester. :lol:
Well then, thank you (for real). :nod:
Ha! Thank you, but I was inflating my contributions. While I did help, it was mostly making reagents and filling electrophoresis wells.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:54 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 am

Yeah, I'd like to see where that's coming from. Could be the case, but if you click on the latest PDF in the link I sent, it shows that of the 6309 who had breakthrough cases, 304 were hospitalized and 87 died.

Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.

52% sounds like a scary number, but even if true (which I doubt), it represents 87 of 6309 breakthrough cases (1.37%). Those breakthrough cases were already 0.6% of the population. And let's say 52% is true, South Nevada is one data point. Nearly all other data points across the entire country (and world) show the vaccines are - at least for now - great at preventing hospitalizations and death compared to non-vaccinated people.
You have to take the difference in deaths from Aug 11 to Aug 19, which was 96 cases. 50 of those 96 were vaccinated, thus 52% of those that died, were vaccinated.

This site only recently started collecting this information in August and is one of the few that gives information like this.
The link shows 49 Breakthrough deaths as of August 11, and 87 as of August 19th. I am seeing 38 breakthrough deaths not 50, is this modern math, or what am I missing?

August 11th August 11th Link

As of today, Southern Nevada Health District is reporting a total of 225 breakthrough hospitalizations and 49 breakthrough deaths (37 of them were hospitalized)in Clark county, Nevada.

August 19th August 19th link

As of today, Southern Nevada Health District is reporting a total of 304 breakthrough hospitalizations and 87 breakthrough deaths (72 of them were hospitalized)in Clark county, Nevada.
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1st it was maybe booster shots after a year, to definitely booster shots after a year, to booster shots after 8 months, to now booster shots after 6 months..
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 am Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.
Look at Trip trying to justify old people dying being acceptable. :lol:
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:52 pm Are people really eschewing the now approved Covid vaccine for a topical lice treatment (or an injestible heart worm disease drug if your an animal)?

Is this really happening?
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail have been prescribed ivermectin to combat COVID-19, despite warnings from federal health officials that the antiparasitic drug should not be used to treat the coronavirus.

Washington County's sheriff confirmed Tuesday night that the jail's health provider had been prescribing the drug. Sheriff Tim Helder didn't say how many inmates at the 710-bed facility had been given ivermectin and defended the health provider the jail uses that has been prescribing the medication.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:58 am

I thought what he said was 52% of covid deaths were vaccinated?
Yeah, I'd like to see where that's coming from. Could be the case, but if you click on the latest PDF in the link I sent, it shows that of the 6309 who had breakthrough cases, 304 were hospitalized and 87 died.

Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.

52% sounds like a scary number, but even if true (which I doubt), it represents 87 of 6309 breakthrough cases (1.37%). Those breakthrough cases were already 0.6% of the population. And let's say 52% is true, South Nevada is one data point. Nearly all other data points across the entire country (and world) show the vaccines are - at least for now - great at preventing hospitalizations and death compared to non-vaccinated people.
Yes one thing that must be taken into account is that the vaccinated population is older on average and have a higher proportion of elderly. One can use the summaries at https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... rate-total to get a feel for that. You can check me on the math but if I did it right, as the numbers are now, about 26% of the vaccinated population is 65 or older while only about 6% of the unvaccinated population is.

I've been watching Louisiana data. As of now it indicates that an unvaccinated person is about 2.9 times as likely to die from COVID-19 as an unvaccinated person is. But, as i've said, that needs to be taken in the context of the fact that there are a lot more high risk people in the vaccinated group than there are in the unvaccinated group. i can't find data on that for Louisiana in particular. But we all know it is the case.
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Check it out:

https://www.aol.com/news/covid-cases-sp ... 00941.html
Cases in South Dakota rise nearly sixfold after annual Sturgis motorcycle rally
I don't know if one can say it's cause and effect. And the State's Governor IS a babe.

But still interesting. BTW, the increase in the county where Sturgis is was by a factor of 16.5.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:42 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:54 am

You have to take the difference in deaths from Aug 11 to Aug 19, which was 96 cases. 50 of those 96 were vaccinated, thus 52% of those that died, were vaccinated.

This site only recently started collecting this information in August and is one of the few that gives information like this.
The link shows 49 Breakthrough deaths as of August 11, and 87 as of August 19th. I am seeing 38 breakthrough deaths not 50, is this modern math, or what am I missing?

August 11th August 11th Link

As of today, Southern Nevada Health District is reporting a total of 225 breakthrough hospitalizations and 49 breakthrough deaths (37 of them were hospitalized)in Clark county, Nevada.

August 19th August 19th link

As of today, Southern Nevada Health District is reporting a total of 304 breakthrough hospitalizations and 87 breakthrough deaths (72 of them were hospitalized)in Clark county, Nevada.
Sorry bro. Out with the kids on a day trip. I'll have to respond later, but the original link I read is from a data guy.

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CID1990 wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:12 pm
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Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.
Exactly this ^^^^

Anybody in this country who wants the vaccine already has it

In the US, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Period. Breakthrough infections are so statistically rare as to be un reportable (even though they get a lot of media attention)

At this point I have zero sympathy for the unvaccinated. Zero.


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JohnStOnge wrote:Check it out:

https://www.aol.com/news/covid-cases-sp ... 00941.html
Cases in South Dakota rise nearly sixfold after annual Sturgis motorcycle rally
I don't know if one can say it's cause and effect. And the State's Governor IS a babe.

But still interesting. BTW, the increase in the county where Sturgis is was by a factor of 16.5.
It does appear Sturgis was a spreader event.

But one interesting tidbit is that new infections dropped off quickly. It was like a bump on the graph. I saw a suggestions that SD could be sneaking up on at least a semblance of herd immunity.


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JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:58 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 am

Yeah, I'd like to see where that's coming from. Could be the case, but if you click on the latest PDF in the link I sent, it shows that of the 6309 who had breakthrough cases, 304 were hospitalized and 87 died.

Of those 87, 74% were 65+ and 91% were 50+.

52% sounds like a scary number, but even if true (which I doubt), it represents 87 of 6309 breakthrough cases (1.37%). Those breakthrough cases were already 0.6% of the population. And let's say 52% is true, South Nevada is one data point. Nearly all other data points across the entire country (and world) show the vaccines are - at least for now - great at preventing hospitalizations and death compared to non-vaccinated people.
Yes one thing that must be taken into account is that the vaccinated population is older on average and have a higher proportion of elderly. One can use the summaries at https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... rate-total to get a feel for that. You can check me on the math but if I did it right, as the numbers are now, about 26% of the vaccinated population is 65 or older while only about 6% of the unvaccinated population is.

I've been watching Louisiana data. As of now it indicates that an unvaccinated person is about 2.9 times as likely to die from COVID-19 as an unvaccinated person is. But, as i've said, that needs to be taken in the context of the fact that there are a lot more high risk people in the vaccinated group than there are in the unvaccinated group. i can't find data on that for Louisiana in particular. But we all know it is the case.
You can't make that claim. You have NO idea what the unvaccinated population demographics are. You know better.
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