Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

But can you go out and actually get the brand name version right now, or do you have to get the original under the EUA?

??? You want to make a distinction between what was manufactured prior to the FDA giving the full approval and that that was made after they signed the paper? Why is that a distinction point? To get full approval requires not only the testing, but it requires things like the FDA auditing and inspecting the manufacturing facilities. The process to make the vaccine and the methods/equipment to do so haven't changed since they've embarked on the path to full authorization.

Because it's what I have been saying since it was approved. I've read you cannot get the brand name version yet. It is supposedly going to be a newer more up to date version that won't have such difficulty with Delta. Same vaccine, same manufacturing process, just some tweaks. Much like how they reformulate the flu vaccine and it doesn't lose approval.

I have no issue with that, just pointing out that what was approved isn't available yet.

[GannonFan]

??? You want to make a distinction between what was manufactured prior to the FDA giving the full approval and that that was made after they signed the paper? Why is that a distinction point? To get full approval requires not only the testing, but it requires things like the FDA auditing and inspecting the manufacturing facilities. The process to make the vaccine and the methods/equipment to do so haven't changed since they've embarked on the path to full authorization.

Because it's what I have been saying since it was approved. I've read you cannot get the brand name version yet. It is supposedly going to be a newer more up to date version that won't have such difficulty with Delta. Same vaccine, same manufacturing process, just some tweaks. Much like how they reformulate the flu vaccine and it doesn't lose approval.

I have no issue with that, just pointing out that what was approved isn't available yet.

Just seems like you're unnecessarily confusing the matter. They'll be tweaking it forever, but the full approval will and does cover that. What's been approved is out there. As for the brand name not being available, I'm not worried about not getting a version in a pretty box with the fancy name on it. What's inside is still the same. The booster shot (already out there and going into full rotation come September) I imagine has the tweaks for the Delta variant.

[SeattleGriz]

Because it's what I have been saying since it was approved. I've read you cannot get the brand name version yet. It is supposedly going to be a newer more up to date version that won't have such difficulty with Delta. Same vaccine, same manufacturing process, just some tweaks. Much like how they reformulate the flu vaccine and it doesn't lose approval.

I have no issue with that, just pointing out that what was approved isn't available yet.

Just seems like you're unnecessarily confusing the matter. They'll be tweaking it forever, but the full approval will and does cover that. What's been approved is out there. As for the brand name not being available, I'm not worried about not getting a version in a pretty box with the fancy name on it. What's inside is still the same. The booster shot (already out there and going into full rotation come September) I imagine has the tweaks for the Delta variant.

You would be correct on it being the same. People are weighing in and saying it's the exact formulation. Found an article that points out the source of confusion.

[BDKJMU]

Biden, Fauci discuss requiring COVID booster shots every 5 months
https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/biden-and ... onths/amp/

[GannonFan]

Biden, Fauci discuss requiring COVID booster shots every 5 months
https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/biden-and ... onths/amp/

The WHO would just love that. I'm actually in favor of it just for that reason alone.

[SDHornet]

Pfizer has a squeaky clean record so I'm sure everything with this vax is all good.

That's a deflection, SD. None of them have a squeaky clean record. Neither does any car company, telecommunication company, restaurant, apparel maker, home builder, etc... You ever taken a prescription pill before? You want to bet that Pharma company has done something dirty?


The point is...the liability shield is neither new nor nefarious. It's been in existence since 1988 with additional legislation in 2005. And it doesn't last forever, just 4 years. It's just a talking point but once you look at the history and realize that there isn't any special treatment being afforded the manufacturers of COVID vaccines, objectively, I don't see how you can use it against them in terms of the COVID vaccine.

It wasn't meant at a deflection of the liability shield, more of the point that big pharma has fucked up before and all this blind trust in the vaccine manufacturers (wrt long term side affects) is rather ironic.

[SDHornet]

So it's like college football. Lose badly early in the season and you can still make the playoffs, but lose a closer game later in the year and you're toast.

The early stages and now are two different seasons. NY won the pre-vaccine COVID death championship. The post-vaccine/delta+ variant championship is still up for grabs.

[SDHornet]

Biden, Fauci discuss requiring COVID booster shots every 5 months
https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/biden-and ... onths/amp/

Down to 5 months now?

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When U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson started feeling sick last week, he went to the hospital in Bellville, Texas, outside Houston. His health problem wasn't related to COVID-19, but Wilkinson needed advanced care, and with the coronavirus filling up intensive care beds, he couldn't get it in time to save his life.

"He loved his country," his mother, Michelle Puget, told "CBS This Morning" lead national correspondent David Begnaud. "He served two deployments in Afghanistan, came home with a Purple Heart, and it was a gallstone that took him out..."

...Kakli told Begnaud that his patient was dying right in front of him. Wilkinson needed a higher level of care, but with hospitals across Texas and much of the South overwhelmed with COVID patients, there was no place for him.

Kakli recalled making multiple phone calls to other facilities, only to get a lot of, "sorry … sorry … sorry," in reply. Places had the specialists to do the procedure, but because of how sick he was Wilkinson needed intensive care, and they didn't have an ICU bed to put him in...

...Finally, a bed opened up at the V.A. hospital in Houston. It was a helicopter ride away...

...Wilkinson was airlifted to Houston, but it was too late...

..."I've never lost a patient from this diagnosis, ever," Kakli said. "We know what needs to be done and we know how to treat it, and we get them to where they need to go. I'm scared that the next patient that I see is someone that I can't get to where they need to get to go...

As of last night, there were 102 people waiting for an ICU bed in the greater Houston area...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-h ... e-illness/

[kalm]

Biden, Fauci discuss requiring COVID booster shots every 5 months
https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/biden-and ... onths/amp/

The WHO would just love that. I'm actually in favor of it just for that reason alone.

Of course we need to take care of our own first…but at some point we will need the rest of the world to have ample vaccines or this rollercoaster will not flatten out.

[kalm]

When U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson started feeling sick last week, he went to the hospital in Bellville, Texas, outside Houston. His health problem wasn't related to COVID-19, but Wilkinson needed advanced care, and with the coronavirus filling up intensive care beds, he couldn't get it in time to save his life.

"He loved his country," his mother, Michelle Puget, told "CBS This Morning" lead national correspondent David Begnaud. "He served two deployments in Afghanistan, came home with a Purple Heart, and it was a gallstone that took him out..."

...Kakli told Begnaud that his patient was dying right in front of him. Wilkinson needed a higher level of care, but with hospitals across Texas and much of the South overwhelmed with COVID patients, there was no place for him.

Kakli recalled making multiple phone calls to other facilities, only to get a lot of, "sorry … sorry … sorry," in reply. Places had the specialists to do the procedure, but because of how sick he was Wilkinson needed intensive care, and they didn't have an ICU bed to put him in...

...Finally, a bed opened up at the V.A. hospital in Houston. It was a helicopter ride away...

...Wilkinson was airlifted to Houston, but it was too late...

..."I've never lost a patient from this diagnosis, ever," Kakli said. "We know what needs to be done and we know how to treat it, and we get them to where they need to go. I'm scared that the next patient that I see is someone that I can't get to where they need to get to go...

As of last night, there were 102 people waiting for an ICU bed in the greater Houston area...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-h ... e-illness/

Fuck every waste of space - for no good reason - unvaccinated person taking up a bed.

[AZGrizFan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-h ... e-illness/

Fuck every waste of space - for no good reason - unvaccinated person taking up a bed.

OK, Karen.

[kalm]

Fuck every waste of space - for no good reason - unvaccinated person taking up a bed.

OK, Karen.

Don’t make me ask to see your manager!

[AZGrizFan]

OK, Karen.

Don’t make me ask to see your manager!

No shit. I’m quaking in my boots….

[Gil Dobie]

That's a deflection, SD. None of them have a squeaky clean record. Neither does any car company, telecommunication company, restaurant, apparel maker, home builder, etc... You ever taken a prescription pill before? You want to bet that Pharma company has done something dirty?


The point is...the liability shield is neither new nor nefarious. It's been in existence since 1988 with additional legislation in 2005. And it doesn't last forever, just 4 years. It's just a talking point but once you look at the history and realize that there isn't any special treatment being afforded the manufacturers of COVID vaccines, objectively, I don't see how you can use it against them in terms of the COVID vaccine.

It wasn't meant at a deflection of the liability shield, more of the point that big pharma has fucked up before and all this blind trust in the vaccine manufacturers (wrt long term side affects) is rather ironic.

From Myron

Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose.

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It wasn't meant at a deflection of the liability shield, more of the point that big pharma has fucked up before and all this blind trust in the vaccine manufacturers (wrt long term side affects) is rather ironic.

From Myron

Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose.

Even with experimental drugs, we generally have a great understanding of how molecules break down in the body. And fun fact: mRNA vaccines are simpler than traditional DNA vaccines (such as J&J).

Americans ingest worse stuff in processed foods than what's found in the vaccines.

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NEW ORLEANS — Helpless to improve her infant son’s breathing as he was about to be intubated, Catherine Perrilloux did the only thing that came naturally to her in that moment, the worst of her life: She looked away and prayed. The boy, known as Junior, was two months old and gravely ill with Covid-19.

“I see a bunch of them crowding around the room with the ventilator machine, and then they pull out the tubing, and I’m just losing control,” Ms. Perrilloux, a dean at a nearby private school, recalled last week in her son’s room in the pediatric intensive care unit. “There’s nothing that you could say to make it better. You can’t do anything. It’s just paralyzing.”

At Children’s Hospital New Orleans, where the intensive care unit has been jammed with Covid-19 patients, scenes like this have played out unrelentingly over the past month. Nurses raced around monitoring one gut-wrenching case after another. One child was getting a complicated breathing treatment known as ECMO, a last resort after ventilators fail, which nurses said was almost unheard-of for pediatric cases. About a half-dozen others were in various stages of distress.

“We all thought, ‘Well, thankfully it’s not happening to the kids; none of us would be able to stomach that,’” said Mark Melancon, a longtime nurse at the hospital, recalling previous stages of the coronavirus pandemic. “Fast forward to now, and it’s happening with the kids.”

Mr. Melancon said that until this summer, the hospital had treated only one or two Covid-19 patients at a time. Now, a procession of patients require constant attention, their oxygen levels often dipping precariously low without maximum intervention...

Heartbreaking story and images from the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/c ... delta.html

Not only are kids being admitted now, but it's also beginning to strain pediatric care for non-Covid illnesses.

[kalm]

NEW ORLEANS — Helpless to improve her infant son’s breathing as he was about to be intubated, Catherine Perrilloux did the only thing that came naturally to her in that moment, the worst of her life: She looked away and prayed. The boy, known as Junior, was two months old and gravely ill with Covid-19.

“I see a bunch of them crowding around the room with the ventilator machine, and then they pull out the tubing, and I’m just losing control,” Ms. Perrilloux, a dean at a nearby private school, recalled last week in her son’s room in the pediatric intensive care unit. “There’s nothing that you could say to make it better. You can’t do anything. It’s just paralyzing.”

At Children’s Hospital New Orleans, where the intensive care unit has been jammed with Covid-19 patients, scenes like this have played out unrelentingly over the past month. Nurses raced around monitoring one gut-wrenching case after another. One child was getting a complicated breathing treatment known as ECMO, a last resort after ventilators fail, which nurses said was almost unheard-of for pediatric cases. About a half-dozen others were in various stages of distress.

“We all thought, ‘Well, thankfully it’s not happening to the kids; none of us would be able to stomach that,’” said Mark Melancon, a longtime nurse at the hospital, recalling previous stages of the coronavirus pandemic. “Fast forward to now, and it’s happening with the kids.”

Mr. Melancon said that until this summer, the hospital had treated only one or two Covid-19 patients at a time. Now, a procession of patients require constant attention, their oxygen levels often dipping precariously low without maximum intervention...

Heartbreaking story and images from the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/c ... delta.html

Not only are kids being admitted now, but it's also beginning to strain pediatric care for non-Covid illnesses.

If those kids are afraid they should cower at home and let the rest of us get on with our lives. It’s just the flu.

[BDKJMU]

CDC Director: ‘You should get a booster because we hope it works.’
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarko ... a-n2594767

[kalm]

CDC Director: ‘You should get a booster because we hope it works.’
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarko ... a-n2594767

Getting mine this week.

[SDHornet]

From Myron

Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose.

Even with experimental drugs, we generally have a great understanding of how molecules break down in the body. And fun fact: mRNA vaccines are simpler than traditional DNA vaccines (such as J&J).

Americans ingest worse stuff in processed foods than what's found in the vaccines.

Now this is a deflection.

[SDHornet]

CDC Director: ‘You should get a booster because we hope it works.’
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarko ... a-n2594767

Getting mine this week.

Of course you are.

[SDHornet]

Heartbreaking story and images from the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/c ... delta.html

Not only are kids being admitted now, but it's also beginning to strain pediatric care for non-Covid illnesses.

If those kids are afraid they should cower at home and let the rest of us get on with our lives. It’s just the flu.

Yawn. In CA, China Virus cases for those less than 18 years old account for 14% of all cases and 0% of deaths. This is just a fear porn article aimed at gaslighting the likes of you and Gil.

And for Ganny, that stat line above is why I'm in no rush to put this shit in my kid and why I'll gladly choose whatever timeframe I deem necessary to determine that it is "safe" for my kid.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ ... Statistics

[SDHornet]

[BDKJMU]

Yep. Almost all the Pfizer vaccine. And what are we, 1-2 months behind Israel?