Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

We tested so my grandson could go back to school last spring. All 4 of us were vaxxed, what's the big deal on that. I've been tested twice, wife twice, daughter twice. If most of the people are vaxxed most of the people will get covid. Pretty fucking simple. But keep on spinning your Trumpette crap.

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.

He said… as we’re literally vaccinated our way out of this.

[UNI88]

We tested so my grandson could go back to school last spring. All 4 of us were vaxxed, what's the big deal on that. I've been tested twice, wife twice, daughter twice. If most of the people are vaxxed most of the people will get covid. Pretty fucking simple. But keep on spinning your Trumpette crap.

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.

Is it disingenuous to compare total cases, hospitalizations, and deaths of vaccinated vs unvaccinated without factoring in vaccination percentage?

[SeattleGriz]

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.

He said… as we’re literally vaccinated our way out of this.

What is your definition of "vaccinating our way out of this"?

[SeattleGriz]

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.

Is it disingenuous to compare total cases, hospitalizations, and deaths of vaccinated vs unvaccinated without factoring in vaccination percentage?

As it is produced by the UK Public Health, I assume it to be a fair analysis. In regards to your ask about breakdown, they do include information on vax status and chance per 100k. This shows the vaccine is still offering protection from hospitalization and death vs unvaxxed.

This was all expected. We all knew the vaccines covered you for 6-8 months and eventually everyone would have to catch Covid.

[Gil Dobie]

We tested so my grandson could go back to school last spring. All 4 of us were vaxxed, what's the big deal on that. I've been tested twice, wife twice, daughter twice. If most of the people are vaxxed most of the people will get covid. Pretty fucking simple. But keep on spinning your Trumpette crap.

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.

What percent of the vaccinated are infected, hospitalized and died with Covid, and not just a positive test?

In Minnesota 1.621% Breakthrough cases, .076% breakthrough hospitalizations, .010% breakthrough deaths. That's better than the projected vaccine effectiveness. You have been fear mongering cases of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, instead of vaccinated with covid, and unvaccinated with covid.

Minnesota Link

[SeattleGriz]

Read the report genius. The vaccinated are dwarfing the unvaccinated in cases and in some instances are surpassing the unvaxxed in hospitalizations and deaths.

This proves we had no chance of vaccinating our way out of this pandemic. That science is apparently outside your limited grasp.

For a guy with so many degrees, you sure do argue against points I never made. You seem to think I have some problem with people choosing to get vaccinated. I don't.

What I do have a problem with is the government consistently lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the face of over and over failure of their claims and then trying to force it on people under whatever form of "safety" they are promoting.

What percent of the vaccinated are infected, hospitalized and died with Covid, and not just a positive test?

In Minnesota 1.621% Breakthrough cases, .076% breakthrough hospitalizations, .010% breakthrough deaths. That's better than the projected vaccine effectiveness. You have been fear mongering cases of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, instead of vaccinated with covid, and unvaccinated with covid.

Minnesota Link

Of course I'm talking volume of cases, because I'm talking about spread and how many have caught COVID, were hospitalized and died. Why wouldn't I? It's the exact same metric that has been used since the start.

Your argument is the same argument the anti-lockdown side has been using to no avail. We're making a big deal out of a respiratory illness that has a very low chance of killing someone. Your argument is valid but that argument sure wasn't given any room by those in favor of lockdowns.

My IFR is .2% Two out of 1,000. Im not worried that I'm in the fatality group. Not even close. Latest CDC estimate has it at .4% for everyone, and some feel that is even a little high. Four out of 1000.

[kalm]

Is it disingenuous to compare total cases, hospitalizations, and deaths of vaccinated vs unvaccinated without factoring in vaccination percentage?

As it is produced by the UK Public Health, I assume it to be a fair analysis. In regards to your ask about breakdown, they do include information on vax status and chance per 100k. This shows the vaccine is still offering protection from hospitalization and death vs unvaxxed.

This was all expected. We all knew the vaccines covered you for 6-8 months and eventually everyone would have to catch Covid.

Like everyone will have to catch the flu?

[Gil Dobie]

What percent of the vaccinated are infected, hospitalized and died with Covid, and not just a positive test?

In Minnesota 1.621% Breakthrough cases, .076% breakthrough hospitalizations, .010% breakthrough deaths. That's better than the projected vaccine effectiveness. You have been fear mongering cases of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, instead of vaccinated with covid, and unvaccinated with covid.

Minnesota Link

Of course I'm talking volume of cases, because I'm talking about spread and how many have caught COVID, were hospitalized and died. Why wouldn't I? It's the exact same metric that has been used since the start.

Your argument is the same argument the anti-lockdown side has been using to no avail. We're making a big deal out of a respiratory illness that has a very low chance of killing someone. Your argument is valid but that argument sure wasn't given any room by those in favor of lockdowns.

My IFR is .2% Two out of 1,000. Im not worried that I'm in the fatality group. Not even close. Latest CDC estimate has it at .4% for everyone, and some feel that is even a little high. Four out of 1000.

And it's even less chance for a vaccinated person. I guess when you know people that have died from covid, or suffer a few months in the hospital fighting covid, you have a different prespective.

[SeattleGriz]

As it is produced by the UK Public Health, I assume it to be a fair analysis. In regards to your ask about breakdown, they do include information on vax status and chance per 100k. This shows the vaccine is still offering protection from hospitalization and death vs unvaxxed.

This was all expected. We all knew the vaccines covered you for 6-8 months and eventually everyone would have to catch Covid.

Like everyone will have to catch the flu?

Not sure what your question is, but I'll try.

Yes. For the most durable immunity, it's preferable to actually catch COVID. The vaccines have made it so hopefully many people can survive COVID that couldn't without the help. But with the vaccines losing effectiveness after 6 months and the variants close to evasion, people are going to catch Covid. Let us also hope that the version people catch is the toned down endemic version.

[SeattleGriz]

Of course I'm talking volume of cases, because I'm talking about spread and how many have caught COVID, were hospitalized and died. Why wouldn't I? It's the exact same metric that has been used since the start.

Your argument is the same argument the anti-lockdown side has been using to no avail. We're making a big deal out of a respiratory illness that has a very low chance of killing someone. Your argument is valid but that argument sure wasn't given any room by those in favor of lockdowns.

My IFR is .2% Two out of 1,000. Im not worried that I'm in the fatality group. Not even close. Latest CDC estimate has it at .4% for everyone, and some feel that is even a little high. Four out of 1000.

And it's even less chance for a vaccinated person. I guess when you know people that have died from covid, or suffer a few months in the hospital fighting covid, you have a different prespective.

For that, I apologize if I was scaremongering.

[JohnStOnge]

But but but JSO said...

There have been more than JSO on this board that have stepped in it because they bought the narrative.

Have you seen the latest UK report? The vaccine is showing negative efficacy for all age groups above 18. Meaning that you are now more likely to catch COVID if you are vaxxed.

While hospitalizations and deaths per 100k are still showing the vaccine is helping, the total numbers of those hospitalized or dying is starting to outpace the unvaxxed in multiple age categories.

Lastly, if you want a real good example of how random testing drives the case rate, look at the under 18 category. The UK is doing the same sort of testing on school kids as the US is doing.

We now have faced one instance where my oldest needed a PCR negative to go back to school, another in which my youngest had to isolate for 14 days and if developed any symptoms, would have needed a negative PCR test to return, and lastly, the youngest needing a second instance for a negative if he would have had more than his sneezes that kept him home. So to recap, my oldest took the PCR and my youngest would have been required to take the PCR test twice, had his symptoms progressed past sneezing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-43.pdf

All I can tell you, SG, again: You are misinterpreting the report. We have been through this before. The report has stuff in it about how you can't interpret things in certain ways and you interpret them in those ways. The bottom line statement of the report in terms of infections, for instance, is this:

With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with
Comirnaty (4).

What you called "random testing" was not random testing. What you are doing is intentionally ignoring the forrest presented by the authors...who say that the Pfizer vaccine is 80% effective against infection, in order to spin a narrative you for some reason want to believe. You keep focusing on the UK report because you can find some tables in it that you think support what you want to believe when the body of scientific evidence clearly indicates that the vaccines dramatically lower the risk of infection, illness, hospitalization, and death.

[JohnStOnge]

Here is another example from the document SG linked indicating what the authors of the document think:

As described above, several studies have provided evidence that vaccines are effective at preventing infection. Uninfected individuals cannot transmit; therefore, the vaccines are also effective at preventing transmission. There may be additional benefit, beyond that due to prevention of infection, if some of those individuals who become infected despite vaccination are also at a reduced risk of transmitting (for example, because of reduced duration or level ofviral shedding). A household transmission study in England found that household contacts of cases vaccinated with a single dose had approximately 35 to 50% reduced risk of becoming a confirmed case of COVID-19.

[JohnStOnge]

We ready to talk about the pandemic of the vaccinated yet?

Take a look at what whoever wrote that article did here:

Waterford city has one of the Ireland’s highest rates of vaccination against Covid-19, but one of its electoral areas has emerged as the place with the highest rate of Covid-19 infection in the State.

ONE of its electoral areas. What's the vaccination rate in that one area? Aside from that, this likely is another example of looking at trees to try to ignore the forest. What you do is define what jurisdictions you want to look at ahead of time. Then you look at the infection rates and vaccination rates of ALL of the jurisdictions. Then you look to see if there appears to be a correlation between vaccination rates and infection rates.

This is just so ridiculous. The vaccines clearly work very well. If effectiveness wanes, fine. They are monitoring that and suggesting boosters as necessary. We would ALL be WAY better off if people would stop this "vaccine denial" crap.

[SeattleGriz]

We ready to talk about the pandemic of the vaccinated yet?

Take a look at what whoever wrote that article did here:

Waterford city has one of the Ireland’s highest rates of vaccination against Covid-19, but one of its electoral areas has emerged as the place with the highest rate of Covid-19 infection in the State.

ONE of its electoral areas. What's the vaccination rate in that one area? Aside from that, this likely is another example of looking at trees to try to ignore the forest. What you do is define what jurisdictions you want to look at ahead of time. Then you look at the infection rates and vaccination rates of ALL of the jurisdictions. Then you look to see if there appears to be a correlation between vaccination rates and infection rates.

This is just so ridiculous. The vaccines clearly work very well. If effectiveness wanes, fine. They are monitoring that and suggesting boosters as necessary. We would ALL be WAY better off if people would stop this "vaccine denial" crap.

How do the vaccines work very well?

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

[SeattleGriz]

There have been more than JSO on this board that have stepped in it because they bought the narrative.

Have you seen the latest UK report? The vaccine is showing negative efficacy for all age groups above 18. Meaning that you are now more likely to catch COVID if you are vaxxed.

While hospitalizations and deaths per 100k are still showing the vaccine is helping, the total numbers of those hospitalized or dying is starting to outpace the unvaxxed in multiple age categories.

Lastly, if you want a real good example of how random testing drives the case rate, look at the under 18 category. The UK is doing the same sort of testing on school kids as the US is doing.

We now have faced one instance where my oldest needed a PCR negative to go back to school, another in which my youngest had to isolate for 14 days and if developed any symptoms, would have needed a negative PCR test to return, and lastly, the youngest needing a second instance for a negative if he would have had more than his sneezes that kept him home. So to recap, my oldest took the PCR and my youngest would have been required to take the PCR test twice, had his symptoms progressed past sneezing.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-43.pdf

All I can tell you, SG, again: You are misinterpreting the report. We have been through this before. The report has stuff in it about how you can't interpret things in certain ways and you interpret them in those ways. The bottom line statement of the report in terms of infections, for instance, is this:

With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with
Comirnaty (4).

What you called "random testing" was not random testing. What you are doing is intentionally ignoring the forrest presented by the authors...who say that the Pfizer vaccine is 80% effective against infection, in order to spin a narrative you for some reason want to believe. You keep focusing on the UK report because you can find some tables in it that you think support what you want to believe when the body of scientific evidence clearly indicates that the vaccines dramatically lower the risk of infection, illness, hospitalization, and death.

If the UK is not random testing school aged kids like we are in the US, then why is the case load so high? Testing is through the roof.

My kids have been swabbed for random testing twice now.

[89Hen]

It's about friggin time. We have led the country in vaxed people this whole time.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... -thursday/

It’s official: Montgomery County, Maryland’s mask mandate for indoor public places — reimposed in late summer amid a surge in coronavirus cases driven by the delta variant — was lifted Thursday.

On Wednesday, the county marked its seventh consecutive day of “moderate” community transmission of the virus, as defined by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That meant Montgomery County would lift its indoor mask mandate at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

And just like that...

Montgomery County, Maryland, has regressed to a rate of substantial virus transmission, which triggers a mask mandate under the current guidelines. The county’s mandate will return Wednesday, unless the Board of Health intervenes beforehand, a county health official said.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... ntervenes/

[HI54UNI]

NYC begs for volunteer firefighters from Long Island and Upstate New York as close to one-third of FDNY staff remain unvaccinated ahead of November 1 deadline: 26 firehouses close

NYC has issued a state-wide call for volunteer firefighters from areas such as Long Island and Upstate New York
The shortage in FDNY firefighters is due to the vaccine mandate enforced by Mayor Bill De Blasio requiring all city workers to receive at least one dose by November 1
The announcement was written via email and sent to nearly 350 potential volunteers
A total of 26 New York firehouses have been forced to close after firefighters refused to get vaccinated ahead of de Blasio's Friday deadline
The FDNY stations that closed 'due to no manpower' include six in Manhattan, nine in Brooklyn, three in Queens, four in the Bronx and four in Staten Island

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -York.html

https://abc7ny.com/nyc-vaccine-mandate- ... /11183558/

2,000 FDNY firefighters take medical leave as vaccine sanctions loom
The department denies that some firehouses have shut down because of the staffing shortage.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2- ... s-n1282820

[HI54UNI]

It's about friggin time. We have led the country in vaxed people this whole time.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... -thursday/

And just like that...

Montgomery County, Maryland, has regressed to a rate of substantial virus transmission, which triggers a mask mandate under the current guidelines. The county’s mandate will return Wednesday, unless the Board of Health intervenes beforehand, a county health official said.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... ntervenes/

This is where I really appreciate living in the middle of nowhere. Very few restrictions or mask mandates anywhere.

[UNI88]

It's about friggin time. We have led the country in vaxed people this whole time.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... -thursday/

And just like that...

Montgomery County, Maryland, has regressed to a rate of substantial virus transmission, which triggers a mask mandate under the current guidelines. The county’s mandate will return Wednesday, unless the Board of Health intervenes beforehand, a county health official said.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... ntervenes/

So they lifted the mandate for less than a week?

[AZGrizFan]

And just like that...





https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021 ... ntervenes/

This is where I really appreciate living in the middle of nowhere. Very few restrictions or mask mandates anywhere.

Drove from LA to Dallas over the weekend...felt like I was being whipsawed. Lockdowns and masks in Cali, freedom in AZ, back to lockdowns and fully masked in New Mexico, back to freedom in Texas.

It's fucking comical.

[89Hen]

So they lifted the mandate for less than a week?

Yup. Several businesses didn't lift it though. My barber said he was requiring the staff to wear them and customers could choose, but everyone had them on, so I kept mine on. IMO it's not worth the dirty looks, rolling eyes and general hate people in masks throw. I have bigger hills on which to die.

[AZGrizFan]

So they lifted the mandate for less than a week?

Yup. Several businesses didn't lift it though. My barber said he was requiring the staff to wear them and customers could choose, but everyone had them on, so I kept mine on. IMO it's not worth the dirty looks, rolling eyes and general hate people in masks throw. I have bigger hills on which to die.

I love the dirty looks. I just stare right back. This is 'Murica, fuckers!

[JohnStOnge]

Yup. Several businesses didn't lift it though. My barber said he was requiring the staff to wear them and customers could choose, but everyone had them on, so I kept mine on. IMO it's not worth the dirty looks, rolling eyes and general hate people in masks throw. I have bigger hills on which to die.

I love the dirty looks. I just stare right back. This is 'Murica, fuckers!

Do you get a kick out of sneezing on people too?