Coronavirus COVID-19

[SDHornet]

Some things never change.

[89Hen]

He knows that.

Never mind. I will quit trying to be helpful and go sip my beer in the corner.

No! Your posts are gold, but 88 knows exactly what I'm saying (exactly what you said).

[89Hen]

Some things never change.

89Jr would be inconsolable for days leading up to doctors visits. Poor kid was terrified of shots.

[UNI88]

It isn't a problem that the message changes, as you correctly point out, it is a new virus. It is how that original message is conveyed and accepted as written in stone immediately and then when somebody questions the message in a legitimate way, you are accused of being anti-science.

That is the nuance that I think SD and 89 are getting at.

He knows that.

That you're sarcastically mocking the arrogant jerks like Fauxi who want people to believe their message as if it's written in stone? Sure.

I also know that Kalm sarcastically mocks the arrogant fools with no medical training who complain about an unproven vaccine and then push a horse-dewormer as an alternative treatment.

[89Hen]

He knows that.

That you're sarcastically mocking the arrogant jerks like Fauxi who want people to believe their message as if it's written in stone? Sure.

I also know that Kalm sarcastically mocks the arrogant fools with no medical training who complain about an unproven vaccine and then push a horse-dewormer as an alternative treatment.

Take out the sarcastically part. I AM mocking EVERYTHING that Fauci says and every one of his "followers".

[AZGrizFan]

He knows that.

That you're sarcastically mocking the arrogant jerks like Fauxi who want people to believe their message as if it's written in stone? Sure.

I also know that Kalm sarcastically mocks the arrogant fools with no medical training who complain about an unproven vaccine and then push a horse-dewormer as an alternative treatment.

The fact there are a few people stupid enough to take an ACTUAL horse dewormer aside, it's not what the vast majority taking ivermectin are taking. But you also knew THAT...(I'm not sure Klammy can make that distinction)...

[SeattleGriz]

Was pretty much expected, but nice to see it proven and quantified.

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproj ... inds-study

Study says some individuals clear virus rapidly due to a strong immune response from existing T-cells, meaning tests record negative result

We all know that person who, despite their entire household catching Covid-19, has never tested positive for the disease. Now scientists have found an explanation, showing that a proportion of people experience “abortive infection” in which the virus enters the body but is cleared by the immune system’s T-cells at the earliest stage meaning that PCR and antibody tests record a negative result.

About 15% of healthcare workers who were tracked during the first wave of the pandemic in London, England, appeared to fit this scenario

[UNI88]

That you're sarcastically mocking the arrogant jerks like Fauxi who want people to believe their message as if it's written in stone? Sure.

I also know that Kalm sarcastically mocks the arrogant fools with no medical training who complain about an unproven vaccine and then push a horse-dewormer as an alternative treatment.

The fact there are a few people stupid enough to take an ACTUAL horse dewormer aside, it's not what the vast majority taking ivermectin are taking. But you also knew THAT...(I'm not sure Klammy can make that distinction)...

I know, Ivermectin is anti-parasitic, anti-inflammatory and anti-viral but clinical trials have not shown that it is effective against COVID so while it has a longer history and is probably safe if taken appropriately, it is more unproven against COVID than the vaccines. I like Joe Rogan but I'm not going to him or KAaron Rogers for medical advice.

I like to point out that there are arrogant jerks and fools on both sides of the COVID argument.

[AZGrizFan]

The fact there are a few people stupid enough to take an ACTUAL horse dewormer aside, it's not what the vast majority taking ivermectin are taking. But you also knew THAT...(I'm not sure Klammy can make that distinction)...

I know, Ivermectin is anti-parasitic, anti-inflammatory and anti-viral but clinical trials have not shown that it is effective against COVID so while it has a longer history and is probably safe if taken appropriately, it is more unproven against COVID than the vaccines. I like Joe Rogan but I'm not going to him or KAaron Rogers for medical advice.

I like to point out that there are arrogant jerks and fools on both sides of the COVID argument.

It may be unproven (of course, we're starting to understand just how "proven" the vaccines aren't), but it's certainly proven SAFER than the vaccines....at this point.

[UNI88]

I know, Ivermectin is anti-parasitic, anti-inflammatory and anti-viral but clinical trials have not shown that it is effective against COVID so while it has a longer history and is probably safe if taken appropriately, it is more unproven against COVID than the vaccines. I like Joe Rogan but I'm not going to him or KAaron Rogers for medical advice.

I like to point out that there are arrogant jerks and fools on both sides of the COVID argument.

It may be unproven (of course, we're starting to understand just how "proven" the vaccines aren't), but it's certainly proven SAFER than the vaccines....at this point.

Are the vaccines unsafe? What is the percentage of people that experience serious complications and/or death? I'm guessing that percentage is even lower than the percentage of people that experience serious complications and/or death from COVID. So if COVID isn't as big of a deal as some want to make it out to be than the safety of the vaccines isn't a big deal either.

Too many people are applying different standards to the perspective that they oppose than they are to the perspective that they support.

[Gil Dobie]

I know, Ivermectin is anti-parasitic, anti-inflammatory and anti-viral but clinical trials have not shown that it is effective against COVID so while it has a longer history and is probably safe if taken appropriately, it is more unproven against COVID than the vaccines. I like Joe Rogan but I'm not going to him or KAaron Rogers for medical advice.

I like to point out that there are arrogant jerks and fools on both sides of the COVID argument.

It may be unproven (of course, we're starting to understand just how "proven" the vaccines aren't), but it's certainly proven SAFER than the vaccines....at this point.

Side-effect, OMG, the pain the horror.

Before taking this medicine
You should not use ivermectin if you are allergic to it.

To make sure ivermectin is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:

liver or kidney disease; or

cancer, HIV or AIDS, or other conditions that can weaken your immune system.

It is not known whether ivermectin will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.

Ivermectin can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. Tell your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

Ivermectin should not be given to a child who weighs less than 33 pounds (15 kg).

Call your doctor at once if you have:

eye pain or redness, puffy eyes, problems with your vision;
severe skin rash, itching, or rash with pus;
confusion, change in your mental status, balance problems, trouble walking;
fever, swollen glands, stomach pain, joint pain, swelling in your hands or feet;
fast heart rate, trouble breathing;
loss of bladder or bowel control;
neck or back pain, seizure (convulsions); or
a light-headed feeling, like you might pass out.

Common ivermectin side effects may include:

headache, muscle aches;
dizziness;
nausea, diarrhea; or
mild skin rash.

[HI54UNI]

Interesting read about the Covid pass required in Lithuania.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1456 ... 44514.html

[SeattleGriz]

The fact there are a few people stupid enough to take an ACTUAL horse dewormer aside, it's not what the vast majority taking ivermectin are taking. But you also knew THAT...(I'm not sure Klammy can make that distinction)...

I know, Ivermectin is anti-parasitic, anti-inflammatory and anti-viral but clinical trials have not shown that it is effective against COVID so while it has a longer history and is probably safe if taken appropriately, it is more unproven against COVID than the vaccines. I like Joe Rogan but I'm not going to him or KAaron Rogers for medical advice.

I like to point out that there are arrogant jerks and fools on both sides of the COVID argument.

Hopefully the studies they are running on Ivermectin start it as soon as symptoms occur. An antiviral can't do much to help if the virus has already run its course. In the case of Covid, I think that's around the 10 day mark.

I still wish India would put out some studies. They gave everyone a "pack" of medicine and directions on what to do if you got sick. On the surface, it looked very effective...but without those studies, it's still a guess.

[AZGrizFan]

It may be unproven (of course, we're starting to understand just how "proven" the vaccines aren't), but it's certainly proven SAFER than the vaccines....at this point.

Side-effect, OMG, the pain the horror.

Before taking this medicine
You should not use ivermectin if you are allergic to it.

To make sure ivermectin is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:

liver or kidney disease; or

cancer, HIV or AIDS, or other conditions that can weaken your immune system.

It is not known whether ivermectin will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.

Ivermectin can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. Tell your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

Ivermectin should not be given to a child who weighs less than 33 pounds (15 kg).

Call your doctor at once if you have:

eye pain or redness, puffy eyes, problems with your vision;
severe skin rash, itching, or rash with pus;
confusion, change in your mental status, balance problems, trouble walking;
fever, swollen glands, stomach pain, joint pain, swelling in your hands or feet;
fast heart rate, trouble breathing;
loss of bladder or bowel control;
neck or back pain, seizure (convulsions); or
a light-headed feeling, like you might pass out.

Common ivermectin side effects may include:

headache, muscle aches;
dizziness;
nausea, diarrhea; or
mild skin rash.

Not sure what your point is here, Gil. This list is no different than just about any drug currently on the market, for any number of “ailments”…

[SDHornet]

It may be unproven (of course, we're starting to understand just how "proven" the vaccines aren't), but it's certainly proven SAFER than the vaccines....at this point.

Are the vaccines unsafe? What is the percentage of people that experience serious complications and/or death? I'm guessing that percentage is even lower than the percentage of people that experience serious complications and/or death from COVID. So if COVID isn't as big of a deal as some want to make it out to be than the safety of the vaccines isn't a big deal either.

Too many people are applying different standards to the perspective that they oppose than they are to the perspective that they support.

*of reported cases

[SDHornet]

It may be unproven (of course, we're starting to understand just how "proven" the vaccines aren't), but it's certainly proven SAFER than the vaccines....at this point.

Side-effect, OMG, the pain the horror.

Before taking this medicine
You should not use ivermectin if you are allergic to it.

To make sure ivermectin is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:

liver or kidney disease; or

cancer, HIV or AIDS, or other conditions that can weaken your immune system.

It is not known whether ivermectin will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.

Ivermectin can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. Tell your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

Ivermectin should not be given to a child who weighs less than 33 pounds (15 kg).

Call your doctor at once if you have:

eye pain or redness, puffy eyes, problems with your vision;
severe skin rash, itching, or rash with pus;
confusion, change in your mental status, balance problems, trouble walking;
fever, swollen glands, stomach pain, joint pain, swelling in your hands or feet;
fast heart rate, trouble breathing;
loss of bladder or bowel control;
neck or back pain, seizure (convulsions); or
a light-headed feeling, like you might pass out.

Common ivermectin side effects may include:

headache, muscle aches;
dizziness;
nausea, diarrhea; or
mild skin rash.

Nice. Now swap out ivermectin for China Virus vaccine and see how it reads...

...then consider one of them is being pimped by the government.

[Gil Dobie]

Side-effect, OMG, the pain the horror.

Before taking this medicine
You should not use ivermectin if you are allergic to it.

To make sure ivermectin is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:

liver or kidney disease; or

cancer, HIV or AIDS, or other conditions that can weaken your immune system.

It is not known whether ivermectin will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.

Ivermectin can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. Tell your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

Ivermectin should not be given to a child who weighs less than 33 pounds (15 kg).

Call your doctor at once if you have:

eye pain or redness, puffy eyes, problems with your vision;
severe skin rash, itching, or rash with pus;
confusion, change in your mental status, balance problems, trouble walking;
fever, swollen glands, stomach pain, joint pain, swelling in your hands or feet;
fast heart rate, trouble breathing;
loss of bladder or bowel control;
neck or back pain, seizure (convulsions); or
a light-headed feeling, like you might pass out.

Common ivermectin side effects may include:

headache, muscle aches;
dizziness;
nausea, diarrhea; or
mild skin rash.

Not sure what your point is here, Gil. This list is no different than just about any drug currently on the market, for any number of “ailments”…

The covid vaccine isn't any worse than other vaccines. Just have anti-vax social media projecting it to be worse

[Gil Dobie]

Side-effect, OMG, the pain the horror.

Before taking this medicine
You should not use ivermectin if you are allergic to it.

To make sure ivermectin is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:

liver or kidney disease; or

cancer, HIV or AIDS, or other conditions that can weaken your immune system.

It is not known whether ivermectin will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.

Ivermectin can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. Tell your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

Ivermectin should not be given to a child who weighs less than 33 pounds (15 kg).

Call your doctor at once if you have:

eye pain or redness, puffy eyes, problems with your vision;
severe skin rash, itching, or rash with pus;
confusion, change in your mental status, balance problems, trouble walking;
fever, swollen glands, stomach pain, joint pain, swelling in your hands or feet;
fast heart rate, trouble breathing;
loss of bladder or bowel control;
neck or back pain, seizure (convulsions); or
a light-headed feeling, like you might pass out.

Common ivermectin side effects may include:

headache, muscle aches;
dizziness;
nausea, diarrhea; or
mild skin rash.

Nice. Now swap out ivermectin for China Virus vaccine and see how it reads...

...then consider one of them is being pimped by the government.

The covid vaccine isn't any worse than other vaccines. Just have anti-vax social media projecting it worse. Do your own research and make your choice.

[JohnStOnge]

That you're sarcastically mocking the arrogant jerks like Fauxi who want people to believe their message as if it's written in stone? Sure.

I also know that Kalm sarcastically mocks the arrogant fools with no medical training who complain about an unproven vaccine and then push a horse-dewormer as an alternative treatment.

The fact there are a few people stupid enough to take an ACTUAL horse dewormer aside, it's not what the vast majority taking ivermectin are taking. But you also knew THAT...(I'm not sure Klammy can make that distinction)...

Anybody taking Ivermectin in any form thinking that it will be effective against SARS-CoV-2 is an idiot.

[JohnStOnge]

Ivermectin does not work. The vaccines approved for use in the United States by the FDA work. They are also safe.

What's really sad is that the kind of misinformation crap that has been going on is associated with the conservative movement. That is really hard for me to take as someone who has historically been a conservative. It means I have to come to grips with the fact that the "side" I was on during most of my life is now completely detached from reality.

Not just with respect to the COVID-19 thing either. A lot of things.

[UNI88]

Ivermectin does not work. The vaccines approved for use in the United States by the FDA work. They are also safe.

What's really sad is that the kind of misinformation crap that has been going on is associated with the conservative movement. That is really hard for me to take as someone who has historically been a conservative. It means I have to come to grips with the fact that the "side" I was on during most of my life is now completely detached from reality.

Not just with respect to the COVID-19 thing either. A lot of things.

Have they test ivermectin enough to be able to state that? If not, you're making the kind of definitive statement that 89 will bookmark and come back and beat you over the head with later if it's proven even slightly false.

[SeattleGriz]

Nice. Now swap out ivermectin for China Virus vaccine and see how it reads...

...then consider one of them is being pimped by the government.

The covid vaccine isn't any worse than other vaccines. Just have anti-vax social media projecting it worse. Do your own research and make your choice.

You familiar with VAERS? It tells a much different story than you. While I'm sure the adverse events, including deaths, is still very small, these vaccines are mauling people compared to the rest.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/05/v ... 0-29-2021/

18,000 deaths so far. Many have said it only captures 10% of the true number of adverse events. I mean hell, if the AERS system can be used under the same methodology to ban ephedra years ago, that methodology of multiplying vaccine adverse events by 10 should be true for the vaccine system (VAERS).

That link is not the VAERS site, but one that simply pulls the reports. Total pain to pull reports.

[Gil Dobie]

The covid vaccine isn't any worse than other vaccines. Just have anti-vax social media projecting it worse. Do your own research and make your choice.

You familiar with VAERS? It tells a much different story than you. While I'm sure the adverse events, including deaths, is still very small, these vaccines are mauling people compared to the rest.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/05/v ... 0-29-2021/

18,000 deaths so far. Many have said it only captures 10% of the true number of adverse events. I mean hell, if the AERS system can be used under the same belief to ban ephedra years ago, it should be true for the vaccine system (VAERS).

That link is not the VAERS site, but one that simply pulls the reports. Total pain to pull reports.

Yes, version reports anyone that died at anytime after a vaccine was given, for any reason. The actual vaccine caused deaths is probably less than 100. It was 23 in September. You are doing the same thing you accused the covid death counters of doing. Fear mongering.

[SeattleGriz]

You familiar with VAERS? It tells a much different story than you. While I'm sure the adverse events, including deaths, is still very small, these vaccines are mauling people compared to the rest.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/05/v ... 0-29-2021/

18,000 deaths so far. Many have said it only captures 10% of the true number of adverse events. I mean hell, if the AERS system can be used under the same belief to ban ephedra years ago, it should be true for the vaccine system (VAERS).

That link is not the VAERS site, but one that simply pulls the reports. Total pain to pull reports.

Yes, version reports anyone that died at anytime after a vaccine was given, for any reason. The actual vaccine caused deaths is probably less than 100. It was 23 in September. You are doing the same thing you accused the covid death counters of doing. Fear mongering.

How about a link to your revised report? And if classifying every death within 60 days of a Covid diagnosis works for COVID deaths, why not vaccine deaths?

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, version reports anyone that died at anytime after a vaccine was given, for any reason. The actual vaccine caused deaths is probably less than 100. It was 23 in September. You are doing the same thing you accused the covid death counters of doing. Fear mongering.

How about a link to your revised report? And if classifying every death within 60 days of a Covid diagnosis works for COVID deaths, why not vaccine deaths?

Both of them are using fear porn. You can be one of them if you want.