Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

Not science. These guys were simply proposing common sense. Protect those at highest risk and don't shut everything down. Look at how Collins wants them discredited as opposed to actually debating the science to see what the best outcome should be.

We all know what will happen next. When it eventually becomes so obvious that locking down everything was a bad choice, they'll retreat to the oft used, "it's science".

A Nobel Prize winner and two renowned epidemiologists from Harvard and Oxford University refute the COVID-19 narrative as pushed by Dr. Anthony Fauci and the NIH.

What is the response from the NIH? To get someone to quickly to publish something, anything, that will “take down” the premise of their educated argument.

[SDHornet]

Not science. These guys were simply proposing common sense. Protect those at highest risk and don't shut everything down. Look at how Collins wants them discredited as opposed to actually debating the science to see what the best outcome should be.

We all know what will happen next. When it eventually becomes so obvious that locking down everything was a bad choice, they'll retreat to the oft used, "it's science".

A Nobel Prize winner and two renowned epidemiologists from Harvard and Oxford University refute the COVID-19 narrative as pushed by Dr. Anthony Fauci and the NIH.

What is the response from the NIH? To get someone to quickly to publish something, anything, that will “take down” the premise of their educated argument.

This is somewhere between a money decision and a vile evil decision to gain control. Not sure which.

Oh and saw NYC, the place with the most draconian China Virus mandates and regulations in the US, is spiking in case counts. You hate to see it.

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[SDHornet]

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[BDKJMU]

Should sue the fuck out of that hospital. Denying treatment based on race.

[AZGrizFan]

They REALLY despise those with a brainstem and individual thoughts:

[GannonFan]

They REALLY despise those with a brainstem and individual thoughts:

Yup, that will really convince the unvaccinated and bridge the growing divide in America. Granted, I don't think anything necessarily will do that, but I know pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't douse the fire either.

[89Hen]

Got my booster yesterday afternoon and feel like absolute crap today. This will be the last one I get.

Out of curiosity, which one?

By the way, hope you feel better soon.

It was Moderna. The only good news is I've heard you get a worse reaction the better your immune system. I've never gotten a flu shot and never gotten the flu, so maybe it's true. The side effects were 24 hours when I got the second shot, these were more like 48+. I was unbelievably tired, slept 14 hours a day for two days. I normally sleep 7 hours a day max.

[kalm]

Out of curiosity, which one?

By the way, hope you feel better soon.

It was Moderna. The only good news is I've heard you get a worse reaction the better your immune system. I've never gotten a flu shot and never gotten the flu, so maybe it's true. The side effects were 24 hours when I got the second shot, these were more like 48+. I was unbelievably tired, slept 14 hours a day for two days. I normally sleep 7 hours a day max.

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[kalm]

They REALLY despise those with a brainstem and individual thoughts:

Yup, that will really convince the unvaccinated and bridge the growing divide in America. Granted, I don't think anything necessarily will do that, but I know pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't douse the fire either.

Maybe they should be asked kindly?

[GannonFan]

Yup, that will really convince the unvaccinated and bridge the growing divide in America. Granted, I don't think anything necessarily will do that, but I know pouring gasoline on a fire doesn't douse the fire either.

Maybe they should be asked kindly?

I don't think anything will work. At this point, leave it be, and move on. This is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to people who already are inclined not to listen to you, like I said, the gasoline on the fire approach. It's been a year for most people - if they wanted to be vaccinated they would be already.

[kalm]

Maybe they should be asked kindly?

I don't think anything will work. At this point, leave it be, and move on. This is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to people who already are inclined not to listen to you, like I said, the gasoline on the fire approach. It's been a year for most people - if they wanted to be vaccinated they would be already.

That’s fair..

If their inaction wasn’t potentially leading to increased hospitalizations, community spread, and mandates, it would be easier to stomach.

[89Hen]

I don't think anything will work. At this point, leave it be, and move on. This is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to people who already are inclined not to listen to you, like I said, the gasoline on the fire approach. It's been a year for most people - if they wanted to be vaccinated they would be already.

That’s fair..

If their inaction wasn’t potentially leading to increased hospitalizations, community spread, and mandates, it would be easier to stomach.

Meh. I've heard of lots of folks who were double vaxed and boosted and now have Covid pretty severely. Super spreader event in NYC a week or so ago. 89Henette says about half of her HS graduating (exaggerating a little) attended and have Covid (via social media) Nearly all were vaxed.

[Winterborn]

That’s fair..

If their inaction wasn’t potentially leading to increased hospitalizations, community spread, and mandates, it would be easier to stomach.

Meh. I've heard of lots of folks who were double vaxed and boosted and now have Covid pretty severely. Super spreader event in NYC a week or so ago. 89Henette says about half of her HS graduating (exaggerating a little) attended and have Covid (via social media) Nearly all were vaxed.

Same. Outside of a few folks that had COVID last year, everybody that I know who currently has picked it up ( 6 people) has been vaccinated and about half have had the booster.

Blaming just the un-vaccinated is intellectually dishonest. Which is par for the course for politicians, Faci, and those that keep bringing it up.

[kalm]

Meh. I've heard of lots of folks who were double vaxed and boosted and now have Covid pretty severely. Super spreader event in NYC a week or so ago. 89Henette says about half of her HS graduating (exaggerating a little) attended and have Covid (via social media) Nearly all were vaxed.

Same. Outside of a few folks that had COVID last year, everybody that I know who currently has picked it up ( 6 people) has been vaccinated and about half have had the booster.

Blaming just the un-vaccinated is intellectually dishonest. Which is par for the course for politicians, Faci, and those that keep bringing it up.

Do they have severe symptoms like 89 mentioned?

Lack of social distancing is a big player too but I’ll wait to see actual data before I’m ready to cop to intellectual dishonesty.

[Winterborn]

Same. Outside of a few folks that had COVID last year, everybody that I know who currently has picked it up ( 6 people) has been vaccinated and about half have had the booster.

Blaming just the un-vaccinated is intellectually dishonest. Which is par for the course for politicians, Faci, and those that keep bringing it up.

Do they have severe symptoms like 89 mentioned?

Lack of social distancing is a big player too but I’ll wait to see actual data before I’m ready to cop to intellectual dishonesty.

Some do, some don't.

And you do you.

[89Hen]

Same. Outside of a few folks that had COVID last year, everybody that I know who currently has picked it up ( 6 people) has been vaccinated and about half have had the booster.

Blaming just the un-vaccinated is intellectually dishonest. Which is par for the course for politicians, Faci, and those that keep bringing it up.

Do they have severe symptoms like 89 mentioned?

Lack of social distancing is a big player too but I’ll wait to see actual data before I’m ready to cop to intellectual dishonesty.

The real point is the vax doesn't seem to stop you from getting it or spreading it. I get the less severe stuff, but isn't that why the VAXED and not the un-vaxed should have to constantly get tested and have to show negative results to be in public? If you're unvaxed, you are far more likely to show symptoms. At least that's what we've been told.

[kalm]

Do they have severe symptoms like 89 mentioned?

Lack of social distancing is a big player too but I’ll wait to see actual data before I’m ready to cop to intellectual dishonesty.

The real point is the vax doesn't seem to stop you from getting it or spreading it. I get the less severe stuff, but isn't that why the VAXED and not the un-vaxed should have to constantly get tested and have to show negative results to be in public? If you're unvaxed, you are far more likely to show symptoms. At least that's what we've been told.

Yes. At least to be in large public gatherings or situations where social distancing is more difficult.

But the last numbers I thread still significantly reduced your chances of infection. Of course Omicron might be changing that.

[SeattleGriz]

The real point is the vax doesn't seem to stop you from getting it or spreading it. I get the less severe stuff, but isn't that why the VAXED and not the un-vaxed should have to constantly get tested and have to show negative results to be in public? If you're unvaxed, you are far more likely to show symptoms. At least that's what we've been told.

Yes. At least to be in large public gatherings or situations where social distancing is more difficult.

But the last numbers I thread still significantly reduced your chances of infection. Of course Omicron might be changing that.

They only reduce chance of infection for the first four to six months. The study I clobbered StOnge over show after 211 days the vaccine effectiveness actually goes negative, meaning you are more likely to catch Covid vs the unvaccinated.

Vaccine effectiveness is also affected by the fact it is for the original version and not this far down the variant path. This is why the boosters don't give you another 4-6 months. The virus has changed too much.

Damn antibody dependent enhancement. If only someone would have brought that topic up! We won't talk Original Antigenic Sin at this point either. Too scary.

Just admit it. You've been on the wrong side the whole time believing we could vaccinate our way out with a leaky vaccine.

[89Hen]

The real point is the vax doesn't seem to stop you from getting it or spreading it. I get the less severe stuff, but isn't that why the VAXED and not the un-vaxed should have to constantly get tested and have to show negative results to be in public? If you're unvaxed, you are far more likely to show symptoms. At least that's what we've been told.

Yes. At least to be in large public gatherings or situations where social distancing is more difficult.

But the last numbers I thread still significantly reduced your chances of infection. Of course Omicron might be changing that.

Yes, the vaxed should be the ones showing proof of negative tests?

[SeattleGriz]

Yes. At least to be in large public gatherings or situations where social distancing is more difficult.

But the last numbers I thread still significantly reduced your chances of infection. Of course Omicron might be changing that.

Yes, the vaxed should be the ones showing proof of negative tests?

If you truly want to catch all spreaders, yes.

[Winterborn]

At this point it does not matter, from a public standpoint, if you are vaxed or un-vaxed. Both spread it, both can catch it. They should be treated the same. At least the data supports having different restrictions if you want to break it up by age. But that would be ageist.

Requiring a vaccination card to attend certain events is nothing but a feel good placebo and a way to CYA for the venue.

[Winterborn]

Maybe they should be asked kindly?

I don't think anything will work. At this point, leave it be, and move on. This is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to people who already are inclined not to listen to you, like I said, the gasoline on the fire approach. It's been a year for most people - if they wanted to be vaccinated they would be already.

Agree. The more you brow beat it into them that they should receive it, the more they are going to say no. Leave them be and move on.

Which is the only thing any of us want at this point.

[Ivytalk]

At this point it does not matter, from a public standpoint, if you are vaxed or un-vaxed. Both spread it, both can catch it. They should be treated the same. At least the data supports having different restrictions if you want to break it up by age. But that would be ageist.

Requiring a vaccination card to attend certain events is nothing but a feel good placebo and a way to CYA for the venue.

At the rate we’re going, given the proliferation of various vaccines, variants, and boosters, a “vaccine passport “ will be the size of the Manhattan phone book (for those of you who remember phone books).