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Krull: Call the Trump crowd anything you want — except conservative
But one thing that is clear is that they aren’t conservatives.

A conservative, as the term always has been understood, is committed to a set of values. Conservatives believe in traditions. They defend the institutions and bulwarks of self-government as if they were their own children. They distrust concentrated power, particularly when it is in the hands of a single person, which is why they are so committed to the idea of limited government.

Most of all, they revere the rule of law.

They see a well-established system of laws not just as the best way to preserve liberty, but as an important line of defense against the savagery of anarchy and the tyranny of the mob.

The members of the Trump crowd adhere to none of these principles.


There's definitely truth here. Trump and his MAGAts are populists not conservatives.
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So sounds like he’s saying the fed basically broke the American economy. Is he right?
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The AI-pocalypse will result from our OVER-estimating AI, not under-estimating it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/busin...cli/index.html
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:46 pm Suspects wanted in Carbondale armed robbery

Anyone heard from Houndy?
He's too busy with CrossFit to bother with crime.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:53 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:46 pm Suspects wanted in Carbondale armed robbery

Anyone heard from Houndy?
He's too busy with CrossFit to bother with crime.
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Pwns wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:52 pm The AI-pocalypse will result from our OVER-estimating AI, not under-estimating it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/busin...cli/index.html
An Alexa told a little girl recently to touch a penny to the exposed prongs of a power cord that was semi-plugged in. :shock:

Don’t worry though…Amazon fixed the software immediately. :thumb:

This is an amazing take on AI. Shortened clip but the whole 14 minutes or so is well worth the watch and better than the original movie IMO.

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kalm wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:06 am
Pwns wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:52 pm The AI-pocalypse will result from our OVER-estimating AI, not under-estimating it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/busin...cli/index.html
An Alexa told a little girl recently to touch a penny to the exposed prongs of a power cord that was semi-plugged in. :shock:
That's how you learn important lessons as a child. Think of Alexa as an older sibling, cousin, or friend. :lol:
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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:06 am An Alexa told a little girl recently to touch a penny to the exposed prongs of a power cord that was semi-plugged in. :shock:
That's how you learn important lessons as a child. Think of Alexa as an older sibling, cousin, or friend. :lol:
In this case I think of Alexa as a snickering 10 year old boy with ADD


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Another example of how retarded some of the people who work for the IRS are (would certainly apply to whoever wrote this):
“Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Schedule 1 (Form 1040), line 8z, or on Schedule C (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.”

“If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless you return it to its rightful owner in the same year,” the website states.

“If you receive a bribe, include it in your income.”
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kalm wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:06 am
Pwns wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:52 pm The AI-pocalypse will result from our OVER-estimating AI, not under-estimating it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/busin...cli/index.html
An Alexa told a little girl recently to touch a penny to the exposed prongs of a power cord that was semi-plugged in. :shock:

Don’t worry though…Amazon fixed the software immediately. :thumb:

This is an amazing take on AI. Shortened clip but the whole 14 minutes or so is well worth the watch and better than the original movie IMO.

I've watched the Animatrix probably 20 times here and there. This IS one of the best clips.
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Rooftop Revelations: Chicago's South Side is a failed experiment in the pursuit for equality of outcome
I want to talk about the equality of opportunity today. The argument for equality of outcome is all the rage. Institutions across America are lowering the standards so that we can all be equal in the end.

But you know what? That really means that we're all equal…on the bottom.

That's not what we're fighting for on the South Side, or in any other impoverished neighborhood across America, whether they be brown, black, Asian or whatever. If equity is what we're fighting for then we may as well just lay down and give up because there is no American dream with the equality of outcome. That's why we're fighting so hard for equality of opportunity.

What very few people realize on the South Side is that since the 1960s our government and post-'60s liberalism has made us an experiment in this pursuit for equality of outcome. Our community is literally government-controlled. We have every form of government assistance available from housing, food to medical care. The outcome after 60 and 70 years of this is that we are all equal on the bottom.
I've argued against equality of outcomes for years.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:54 pm Rooftop Revelations: Chicago's South Side is a failed experiment in the pursuit for equality of outcome
I want to talk about the equality of opportunity today. The argument for equality of outcome is all the rage. Institutions across America are lowering the standards so that we can all be equal in the end.

But you know what? That really means that we're all equal…on the bottom.

That's not what we're fighting for on the South Side, or in any other impoverished neighborhood across America, whether they be brown, black, Asian or whatever. If equity is what we're fighting for then we may as well just lay down and give up because there is no American dream with the equality of outcome. That's why we're fighting so hard for equality of opportunity.

What very few people realize on the South Side is that since the 1960s our government and post-'60s liberalism has made us an experiment in this pursuit for equality of outcome. Our community is literally government-controlled. We have every form of government assistance available from housing, food to medical care. The outcome after 60 and 70 years of this is that we are all equal on the bottom.
I've argued against equality of outcomes for years.
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In other news, the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles moved 126,183 LESS containers in the month of November compared to October, but Biden has stated we've seen big improvements.

Maybe he is talking about the new rule forcing ships to wait 150 miles off cost versus the previous 20 miles. That's a visual improvement.
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Joe Manchin and fascism.
Given that it’s New Year’s Eve, there’s a reasonable chance you’re guzzling a glass of prosecco, which now accounts for just under half of all bubbly drunk globally. While this may take the taste away momentarily, there’s also an odd thing about prosecco I want you to consider. How that glass of Italian bubbly came to be in your hand gives us a window into understanding how a Democratic senator can derail a multitrillion dollar climate-focused national programme that promised huge amounts of money for his own state.

No, really. Stay with me here……………………….

In fact, as the historian Brian Griffith details, this pastoral and authentically local framing of Italian wine was originally a project of the fascist period. After the first world war, Italy was saddled with vast overproduction of low-quality domestic wines and enmeshed in a moral panic over working-class drunkenness. Wine industry interests close to the government of Mussolini sought to make Italian wines articles of middle-class consumption and a source of national unity. And they used state-backed mythmaking to do so.

Medical authorities stressed “the advantages of responsible … wine consumption”. National exhibitions of regional wines were sponsored by the state. Indeed, the whole idea of “gastro-tourism” in Italy was invented in the 1930s by the wine lobby. As Griffith puts it, “the roots of today’s … Italian wines stretch back not to antiquity … but … to the interwar years”. The result was the development of an agribusiness growth model. The prosecco story a century later was just one more turn of this wheel.

Now what does all that tell us about Manchin and West Virginia?

The Democratic party story on Manchin and West Virginia was that coal was a dying industry, it employed few people and Build Back Better provided a way out. It was simply a question of giving Manchin enough “sweeteners” and it would eventually pass. But Manchin first vetoed the “clean electricity” provisions of the bill and then ran down the clock long enough to kill it. Why did he do this? Because his job is to defend the growth model against challengers, just as it was for the folks in Treviso.

As Adam Tooze has noted, by some estimates “nearly one-third of [West Virginian] GDP in 2019 can be attributed to fossil fuels [which] makes decarbonisation a mortal threat”. Now add to this the fact that West Virginia has the lowest labour force participation rate in the US and huge healthcare issues stemming from chronic illness and opioid abuse, and you end up with a fiscal nightmare kept afloat by current growth model. Given this, the notion that the best-paid jobs in the state ($77,000 a year) will be traded away by the state’s leading elected official for some promises on “retraining” and a “Green New Deal” is simply not credible.

Growth models are hard to change. Those who profit from them fight to defend them. From Alaska to the Dakotas, to Texas and Louisiana, the core of the GOP electoral coalition, all these states have carbon-heavy growth models. Like the Italian wine industry, they are a creation of the state in the 20th century. They are embodied with myths and are supported by powerful coalitions. Few in Treviso are keen to dismantle the prosecco growth model. Why should West Virginia, and with it the other carbon states of the US, be any different?
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Reality starting to set in in the EU. I predict our own proggies will lag about 10 years behind.

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kalm wrote:Joe Manchin and fascism.
Given that it’s New Year’s Eve, there’s a reasonable chance you’re guzzling a glass of prosecco, which now accounts for just under half of all bubbly drunk globally. While this may take the taste away momentarily, there’s also an odd thing about prosecco I want you to consider. How that glass of Italian bubbly came to be in your hand gives us a window into understanding how a Democratic senator can derail a multitrillion dollar climate-focused national programme that promised huge amounts of money for his own state.

No, really. Stay with me here……………………….

In fact, as the historian Brian Griffith details, this pastoral and authentically local framing of Italian wine was originally a project of the fascist period. After the first world war, Italy was saddled with vast overproduction of low-quality domestic wines and enmeshed in a moral panic over working-class drunkenness. Wine industry interests close to the government of Mussolini sought to make Italian wines articles of middle-class consumption and a source of national unity. And they used state-backed mythmaking to do so.

Medical authorities stressed “the advantages of responsible … wine consumption”. National exhibitions of regional wines were sponsored by the state. Indeed, the whole idea of “gastro-tourism” in Italy was invented in the 1930s by the wine lobby. As Griffith puts it, “the roots of today’s … Italian wines stretch back not to antiquity … but … to the interwar years”. The result was the development of an agribusiness growth model. The prosecco story a century later was just one more turn of this wheel.

Now what does all that tell us about Manchin and West Virginia?

The Democratic party story on Manchin and West Virginia was that coal was a dying industry, it employed few people and Build Back Better provided a way out. It was simply a question of giving Manchin enough “sweeteners” and it would eventually pass. But Manchin first vetoed the “clean electricity” provisions of the bill and then ran down the clock long enough to kill it. Why did he do this? Because his job is to defend the growth model against challengers, just as it was for the folks in Treviso.

As Adam Tooze has noted, by some estimates “nearly one-third of [West Virginian] GDP in 2019 can be attributed to fossil fuels [which] makes decarbonisation a mortal threat”. Now add to this the fact that West Virginia has the lowest labour force participation rate in the US and huge healthcare issues stemming from chronic illness and opioid abuse, and you end up with a fiscal nightmare kept afloat by current growth model. Given this, the notion that the best-paid jobs in the state ($77,000 a year) will be traded away by the state’s leading elected official for some promises on “retraining” and a “Green New Deal” is simply not credible.

Growth models are hard to change. Those who profit from them fight to defend them. From Alaska to the Dakotas, to Texas and Louisiana, the core of the GOP electoral coalition, all these states have carbon-heavy growth models. Like the Italian wine industry, they are a creation of the state in the 20th century. They are embodied with myths and are supported by powerful coalitions. Few in Treviso are keen to dismantle the prosecco growth model. Why should West Virginia, and with it the other carbon states of the US, be any different?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... 1UcRQiRZZ8
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CID1990 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:06 am
kalm wrote:Joe Manchin and fascism.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... 1UcRQiRZZ8
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:06 am LAAAWL

boy the knives sure are out for the moderate Dem from the Trump +30 state


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As they should be.
Yeah I hope the leftards primary him


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CID1990 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:10 am
kalm wrote:
As they should be.
Yeah I hope the leftards primary him


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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:08 am
CID1990 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:06 am
LAAAWL

boy the knives sure are out for the moderate Dem from the Trump +30 state

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Is he opposing BBB to protect the fossil fuel industry or because it's a colossal fiscal disaster in the making? Could it be both?

What other Dem besides Manchin has a chance to win a Senate race in WV? A Justice Democrats candidate would be buried in the general election. Primary Manchin and you practically give the seat to the Republican Party.

Is Joe Manchin a Democratic Party version of Liz Cheney or Justin Amash?
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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:08 am
CID1990 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:06 am
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Why do you hate moderates so much?

That's not very postpartisan of you. :ohno:
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:53 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:08 am

As they should be.
Is he opposing BBB to protect the fossil fuel industry or because it's a colossal fiscal disaster in the making? Could it be both?

What other Dem besides Manchin has a chance to win a Senate race in WV? A Justice Democrats candidate would be buried in the general election. Primary Manchin and you practically give the seat to the Republican Party.

Is Joe Manchin a Democratic Party version of Liz Cheney or Justin Amash?
He doesn’t care about long term economics. He’s protecting his donors interests and his own. Kicks the ladder down behind him.

I’m fine with the Dems losing a seat. At some point as both parties continue to fail the working class, we might see some shakeup.

Manchin is a corporate, corrupt whore. I’d like to think Cheney and Amash are less so.
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CID1990 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:06 am
kalm wrote:Joe Manchin and fascism.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... 1UcRQiRZZ8
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More like +40 (+39)

The left doesn’t get it. In 2018, a blue wave election, Manchin won reelection by only 3 points, with less than 50% of the vote. Of the 3 House races in WV in 2020, the closest was 23 points. Manchin’s only chance to win reelection in 2024 is to go almost full conk. And that might not be enough unless he switches parties.
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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:12 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:53 am

Is he opposing BBB to protect the fossil fuel industry or because it's a colossal fiscal disaster in the making? Could it be both?

What other Dem besides Manchin has a chance to win a Senate race in WV? A Justice Democrats candidate would be buried in the general election. Primary Manchin and you practically give the seat to the Republican Party.

Is Joe Manchin a Democratic Party version of Liz Cheney or Justin Amash?
He doesn’t care about long term economics. He’s protecting his donors interests and his own. Kicks the ladder down behind him.

I’m fine with the Dems losing a seat. At some point as both parties continue to fail the working class, we might see some shakeup.

Manchin is a corporate, corrupt whore. I’d like to think Cheney and Amash are less so.
Even if he is a corruptocrat, his obstruction of that profligate abortion of a bill in the middle of the worst inflation since the 1970s is more than welcome.

And if the idiot Dems primary him and he somehow loses, WV goes full red and then the Dems won't have Ol Fascisty Manchin to run to the fainting couches over... it will be the 60 GOP seats in the Senate and a 20 seat margin in the House. If the last election wasn't a lesson that America doesn't want transformational economic change, then the next one surely will be. By demonizing Manchin, Dems are just chasing more votes over to the GOP.
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