Coronavirus COVID-19

[SDHornet]

I lost a close friend to COVID today. He was one of two high school classmates I had lunch with a couple of times each month. We're all three conservative, but those two were both anti-vax and unvaccinated. The one who passed away wasn't super hardcore about it, but the other one is an Alex Jones level anti-vaxer and preached it in person and on social media. He actually welled up in tears a few months ago while we were at lunch and told me he hated to tell me this, but I would die within two years from having received the two Pfizer doses. Supposedly, it's going to slowly break down the proteins in my body and I'll die a bloody, clotty mess.

I texted that one this afternoon to ask him if he had heard the terrible news. He said, "no, what?" I informed him of the other friend's passing. He called me several minutes later, very distraught, and surprisingly said he feels terrible about preaching his anti-vax stance.

The funeral and next lunch conversations should be very interesting.

Sorry to hear.

[SDHornet]

Sorry for your loss…and I look forward to hearing about that lunch conversation…

A side note…I really hate how the term anti-vax has been twisted for political purposes…PC (Pre-Covid), if someone was an anti-Vaxer, they were generally opposed to all vaccines.

Now, for example, I have received my three jabs…but I’m opposed to mandatory vaccinations…and I’ve been called an anti-vaxer for that position…

You're not anti-vax, you're freedom of choice.

Depends on what definition of "anti-vax" you are using...it has been changed weekly to fit the narrative of the week...

[SDHornet]

What consequences should they suffer, other than catching COVID?

Spreading it to a friend or family member that dies, would be a terrible consequence if I was the one responsible for the spread.

Which could also happen from a vaccinated* family member.

*Vaccinated meaning fully booster, yes?

[93henfan]

Depends on what definition of "anti-vax" you are using...it has been changed weekly to fit the narrative of the week...

And has been even before COVID.

One of the more interesting anti-vaxers is Jenny McCarthy, a liberal. She left The View for, among other things, a producer asking her to act like she was a Republican on the show. They wanted a beautiful white woman to beat up on, and she wasn't willing to play along.

[kalm]

The science has changed. The narrative in some of the media and politics has changed. Then again, Fauci has never been my first go-to anyways so it’s just not that big of a deal to me.

I didn’t know Shapiro’s wife is an MD. I suppose next you’re going to tell me there are Stanford MD’s who buck the mainstream narrative too!

The science never changed. Anyone who was tracking or regularly checking the data on those dying from the China Virus was aware of the demographics at risk.

Science is always changing. Virus’s change. Change is universal.

[kalm]

That’s an odd flex.

Wouldn't need to be a flex if a coherent and data based argument was made to encourage the masses to get vaccinated instead of a "do what I say" mandate approach taken by the regime. Thanks the the latter, I dug my heels in and bided my time. The tell tale of the China Virus not being as bad as the regime claimed was the lack of deaths amongst the young and healthy demographic. The data told us who was at risk of this by May/Jun 2020, anyone with a brain that could read a bar graph could understand this.

Which administration? The one who sucks at leadership and is woefully incompetent distant or the one that said “give it a few weeks”?

Do bar graphs also never change? How about demographics?
800k + might disagree with your take here.

[SDHornet]

SG is probably all over this, but dr. Malone was on Joe Rogan last week after being banned on Twitter for speaking truth.

Here is the clip on what we discussed over a year ago on the financial incentive of the healthcare industry to clasify China Virus cases:


Interesting theory on what happened with this China Virus craze:


Bonus one for the Covidians out there:

[SDHornet]

The science never changed. Anyone who was tracking or regularly checking the data on those dying from the China Virus was aware of the demographics at risk.

Science is always changing. Virus’s change. Change is universal.

The virus changed, which is what science has told us would happen. Hence the "vaccine will make this go away" being an idiotic narrative to push.

[SDHornet]

Wouldn't need to be a flex if a coherent and data based argument was made to encourage the masses to get vaccinated instead of a "do what I say" mandate approach taken by the regime. Thanks the the latter, I dug my heels in and bided my time. The tell tale of the China Virus not being as bad as the regime claimed was the lack of deaths amongst the young and healthy demographic. The data told us who was at risk of this by May/Jun 2020, anyone with a brain that could read a bar graph could understand this.

Which administration? The one who sucks at leadership and is woefully incompetent distant or the one that said “give it a few weeks”?

Do bar graphs also never change? How about demographics?
800k + might disagree with your take here.

Was waiting for a "it's Trumps fault for developing a leaky vaccine" narrative to come out.

And feel free to take a closer look at the demographics of the 800k+ dead (more happened under Biden* with the vax at his disposal btw).

[Baldy]

The science never changed. Anyone who was tracking or regularly checking the data on those dying from the China Virus was aware of the demographics at risk.

Science is always changing. Virus’s change. Change is universal.

Except for the climate. I keep hearing that is 'settled science'.

[Baldy]

Remember fellow proletarians, lock downs are for your safety...

[SeattleGriz]

Science is always changing. Virus’s change. Change is universal.

Except for the climate. I keep hearing that is 'settled science'.

Bingo!

[UNI88]

SG is probably all over this, but dr. Malone was on Joe Rogan last week after being banned on Twitter for speaking truth.

Interesting theory on what happened with this China Virus craze:

People who've gone "barking mad" ...
- Vaxxers
- Anti-vaxxers
- Stop the Stealers
- Anyone gullible enough to believe that socialism will work this time
- Anyone gullible enough to believe QAnon bullsh!t

[BDKJMU]

I lost a close friend to COVID today. He was one of two high school classmates I had lunch with a couple of times each month. We're all three conservative, but those two were both anti-vax and unvaccinated. The one who passed away wasn't super hardcore about it, but the other one is an Alex Jones level anti-vaxer and preached it in person and on social media. He actually welled up in tears a few months ago while we were at lunch and told me he hated to tell me this, but I would die within two years from having received the two Pfizer doses. Supposedly, it's going to slowly break down the proteins in my body and I'll die a bloody, clotty mess.

I texted that one this afternoon to ask him if he had heard the terrible news. He said, "no, what?" I informed him of the other friend's passing. He called me several minutes later, very distraught, and surprisingly said he feels terrible about preaching his anti-vax stance.

The funeral and next lunch conversations should be very interesting.

Sorry to hear 93.
Was he overweight or did he have another comorbidity?

[BDKJMU]

I lost a close friend to COVID today. He was one of two high school classmates I had lunch with a couple of times each month. We're all three conservative, but those two were both anti-vax and unvaccinated. The one who passed away wasn't super hardcore about it, but the other one is an Alex Jones level anti-vaxer and preached it in person and on social media. He actually welled up in tears a few months ago while we were at lunch and told me he hated to tell me this, but I would die within two years from having received the two Pfizer doses. Supposedly, it's going to slowly break down the proteins in my body and I'll die a bloody, clotty mess.

I texted that one this afternoon to ask him if he had heard the terrible news. He said, "no, what?" I informed him of the other friend's passing. He called me several minutes later, very distraught, and surprisingly said he feels terrible about preaching his anti-vax stance.

The funeral and next lunch conversations should be very interesting.

Sorry for your loss…and I look forward to hearing about that lunch conversation…

A side note…I really hate how the term anti-vax has been twisted for political purposes…PC (Pre-Covid), if someone was an anti-Vaxer, they were generally opposed to all vaccines.

Now, for example, I have received my three jabs…but I’m opposed to mandatory vaccinations…and I’ve been called an anti-vaxer for that position…

Agreed. I’m not against vaccines at all that have a long term track record over years/decades. I think everyone who is elderly, or is obese, or has other comorbidities (which is a majority of the population) should get the vax, despite any long term unknowns. But for the young and healthy, why take the risk. What are the risks, if any, years down the road? Almost all the deaths have either been elderly (median age late 70s), obese/overweight, or had one or more other comorbidities. Course there have been rare exceptions (non elderly, not overweight, no comorbidities).
Am definitely opposed to mandates.

FWIW I got 2 jabs. Not getting a booster, at least not now. Late 40s, no real comorbities. Not doing 3 shots in 7 months, or 4 in 13.

[kalm]

SG is probably all over this, but dr. Malone was on Joe Rogan last week after being banned on Twitter for speaking truth.

Here is the clip on what we discussed over a year ago on the financial incentive of the healthcare industry to clasify China Virus cases:


Interesting theory on what happened with this China Virus craze:


Bonus one for the Covidians out there:

Well I guess that settles it then…

One target of Malone’s ire, the biochemist Katalin Karikó, has been featured in multiple news stories as an mRNA-vaccine pioneer. CNN called her work “the basis of the Covid-19 vaccine” while a New York Times headline said she had “helped shield the world from the coronavirus.” None of those stories mentioned Malone. “I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.

Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”…..

It’s only in the curious world of fringe media that Malone has found the platform, and the recognition, he’s sought for so long. He talks to hosts who aren’t going to question whether he’s the brains behind the Pfizer and Moderna shots. They’re not going to quibble over whether credit should be shared with co-authors, or talk about how science is like a relay race, or point out that, absent the hard work of brilliant researchers who came before and after Malone, there would be no vaccine. He’s an upgrade over their typical guest list of chiropractors and naturopaths, and they’re perfectly happy to address him by the title he believes he’s earned: inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

The irony is that, to the audiences who tune in to those shows, the vaccines are seen as a scourge rather than a godsend. No matter how nuanced Malone might try to be, or how many qualifiers he appends to his opinions, he is egging on vaccine hesitancy at a time when hospitals in the least-vaccinated parts of the country are struggling to cope with an influx of new COVID-19 patients. If you want proof of that, scroll through the many comments from his followers thanking him for confirming their fears. Malone has finally made his mark, by undermining confidence in the very vaccine he says wouldn’t be possible without his genius. It’s a victory, of sorts, but one that he and the rest of us may come to regret.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/619734/

[SeattleGriz]

SG is probably all over this, but dr. Malone was on Joe Rogan last week after being banned on Twitter for speaking truth.

Here is the clip on what we discussed over a year ago on the financial incentive of the healthcare industry to clasify China Virus cases:


Interesting theory on what happened with this China Virus craze:


Bonus one for the Covidians out there:

Well I guess that settles it then…

One target of Malone’s ire, the biochemist Katalin Karikó, has been featured in multiple news stories as an mRNA-vaccine pioneer. CNN called her work “the basis of the Covid-19 vaccine” while a New York Times headline said she had “helped shield the world from the coronavirus.” None of those stories mentioned Malone. “I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.

Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”…..

It’s only in the curious world of fringe media that Malone has found the platform, and the recognition, he’s sought for so long. He talks to hosts who aren’t going to question whether he’s the brains behind the Pfizer and Moderna shots. They’re not going to quibble over whether credit should be shared with co-authors, or talk about how science is like a relay race, or point out that, absent the hard work of brilliant researchers who came before and after Malone, there would be no vaccine. He’s an upgrade over their typical guest list of chiropractors and naturopaths, and they’re perfectly happy to address him by the title he believes he’s earned: inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

The irony is that, to the audiences who tune in to those shows, the vaccines are seen as a scourge rather than a godsend. No matter how nuanced Malone might try to be, or how many qualifiers he appends to his opinions, he is egging on vaccine hesitancy at a time when hospitals in the least-vaccinated parts of the country are struggling to cope with an influx of new COVID-19 patients. If you want proof of that, scroll through the many comments from his followers thanking him for confirming their fears. Malone has finally made his mark, by undermining confidence in the very vaccine he says wouldn’t be possible without his genius. It’s a victory, of sorts, but one that he and the rest of us may come to regret.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/619734/

I haven't followed who actually invented mRNA technology, but assume this could be very much like a Rosalind Franklin situation.

[93henfan]

I lost a close friend to COVID today. He was one of two high school classmates I had lunch with a couple of times each month. We're all three conservative, but those two were both anti-vax and unvaccinated. The one who passed away wasn't super hardcore about it, but the other one is an Alex Jones level anti-vaxer and preached it in person and on social media. He actually welled up in tears a few months ago while we were at lunch and told me he hated to tell me this, but I would die within two years from having received the two Pfizer doses. Supposedly, it's going to slowly break down the proteins in my body and I'll die a bloody, clotty mess.

I texted that one this afternoon to ask him if he had heard the terrible news. He said, "no, what?" I informed him of the other friend's passing. He called me several minutes later, very distraught, and surprisingly said he feels terrible about preaching his anti-vax stance.

The funeral and next lunch conversations should be very interesting.

Sorry to hear 93.
Was he overweight or did he have another comorbidity?

He was one of the 70% of Americans who are overweight, yes.

[JohnStOnge]

After Googling "Mass formation psychosis," my belief is that this is another one of those things that somebody on the wrong side of the argument threw out there recently that's now being parroted by other people on the wrong side of the argument.

It's obvious that governments all over the world take SARS-CoV-2 very seriously. I think we can all agree that the overwhelming majority of public health officials in the area of containing contagious diseases like this take it very seriously. Is there a certain element of ordinary people fearing the situation more than it should? Yes. That's unavoidable.

But this is not an irrational thing. The people not being rational are the people like Joe Rogan and that Dr. Malone guy he interviewed. People trying to do what public health professionals recommend, things like wearing masks, social distancing, avoiding large crowds (especially indoors), etc., are being rational.

The irrational ones are the ones saying COVID-19 is a hoax, etc., associated with government trying to control people. Those are the "Mass formation psychosis" people.

People saying vaccines have microchips in them to allow government to track you? People saying mask mandates are so government can identify people who can be controlled vs. people who can't be controlled? And these people are calling people who are taking the worst pandemic in over a century seriously the ones manifesting "Mass formation psychosis?" Seriously?

[JohnStOnge]

Yeah. It's the people who are following the advice of people who know what they are talking about who are suffering from "Mass Formation Psychosis." Right.

[SeattleGriz]

Sorry to hear 93.
Was he overweight or did he have another comorbidity?

He was one of the 70% of Americans who are overweight, yes.

My condolences on your loss.

[SeattleGriz]

Yeah. It's the people who are following the advice of people who know what they are talking about who are suffering from "Mass Formation Psychosis." Right.

The first sign of mass formation psychosis is to deny mass formation psychosis.

[JohnStOnge]

Yeah. It's the people who are following the advice of people who know what they are talking about who are suffering from "Mass Formation Psychosis." Right.

The first sign of mass formation psychosis is to deny mass formation psychosis.

I'm not saying it's not going on. But it's going on on the "other" side. It's not the people who are recognizing the significance of the pandemic who are suffering from it. It's the people on the "other" side with all the nut job conspiracy theories about government trying to control them, etc.

[SeattleGriz]

The first sign of mass formation psychosis is to deny mass formation psychosis.

I'm not saying it's not going on. But it's going on on the "other" side. It's not the people who are recognizing the significance of the pandemic who are suffering from it. It's the people on the "other" side with all the nut job conspiracy theories about government trying to control them, etc.

Should have put a laugh emoji in there. Was joking. But on a more serious note, when ISN'T there some form of mass formation psychosis happening in America? We are scientifically illiterate, as is the majority of the world's population.

[BDKJMU]

After Googling "Mass formation psychosis," my belief is that this is another one of those things that somebody on the wrong side of the argument threw out there recently that's now being parroted by other people on the wrong side of the argument.

It's obvious that governments all over the world take SARS-CoV-2 very seriously. I think we can all agree that the overwhelming majority of public health officials in the area of containing contagious diseases like this take it very seriously. Is there a certain element of ordinary people fearing the situation more than it should? Yes. That's unavoidable.

But this is not an irrational thing. The people not being rational are the people like Joe Rogan and that Dr. Malone guy he interviewed. People trying to do what public health professionals recommend, things like wearing masks, social distancing, avoiding large crowds (especially indoors), etc., are being rational.

The irrational ones are the ones saying COVID-19 is a hoax, etc., associated with government trying to control people. Those are the "Mass formation psychosis" people.

People saying vaccines have microchips in them to allow government to track you? People saying mask mandates are so government can identify people who can be controlled vs. people who can't be controlled? And these people are calling people who are taking the worst pandemic in over a century seriously the ones manifesting "Mass formation psychosis?" Seriously?

Only a small percentage of the right says (the wackadoodle portion) says it a hoax.

Most on the right believe:
-It was realeased from the WIV (probably accidentally due to shoddy procedures), amd the Chi Coms lied, obfuscated, and covered up.
-The elderly, obese, and those (at least middle aged and up) with other co-morbities should get vaxxed.
-The young and healthy don’t need to.
-There should be no mandates: vax, mask, show me your papers, etc.