Cash for Clunkers!!!

[houndawg]

Big picture, my friend. Big picture.

Big picture! Exactly!

Develop existing domestic resources with existing and edge technologies NOW to keep the economy growing for the next fifty years, while investing in longer term nuclear and other non-carbon energy technologies for the future.

No need for socialism, political polarization or economic chaos in the meantime.

Cash for clunkers is NOT a big picture solution, dawg.

Didn't say it was, read it again.

[AZGrizFan]

The point is to line the pockets of the auto builders by causing their product to become even MORE of a "disposable" item. The fact that they're junking these cars is just cover for the REAL purpose here. The fact that most of you are too blind to see that is truly scary.

You're talking about a couple of billion - peanuts.

Yeah, $3 billion. Peanuts. And not a single job will be saved or created, nothing is being "stimulated" except the short-term impact to the auto builders bottom line.

[Col Hogan]

Spot on, 88...

If we could start drawing on that oil today, the "emergency" would disappear...the pressure to develop alternatives would lose political interest...

Sad but true, although I disagree that our short-sightedness is impossible to overcome.

I also note that socialism is NOT a short term pain....

I think I've seen enough of 88's posts to speak for him.....neither of us would ever support socialism, so I'm not sure where that comment comes from...

On your other comment...while not impossible to overcome, our short-sightedness is very much a part of our national psyche...in business, in government, even in development of things like sports teams...the here and now are more important than effective long-term planning...

[UNI88]

Sad but true, although I disagree that our short-sightedness is impossible to overcome.

I also note that socialism is NOT a short term pain....

I think I've seen enough of 88's posts to speak for him.....neither of us would ever support socialism, so I'm not sure where that comment comes from...

On your other comment...while not impossible to overcome, our short-sightedness is very much a part of our national psyche...in business, in government, even in development of things like sports teams...the here and now are more important than effective long-term planning...

[dbackjon]

You're talking about a couple of billion - peanuts.

Yeah, $3 billion. Peanuts. And not a single job will be saved or created, nothing is being "stimulated" except the short-term impact to the auto builders bottom line.

Yes, that is why car manufacturers are reopening shifts, increasing production, etc.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, $3 billion. Peanuts. And not a single job will be saved or created, nothing is being "stimulated" except the short-term impact to the auto builders bottom line.

Yes, that is why car manufacturers are reopening shifts, increasing production, etc.

Jon---what happens when the $3 billion runs out? Or is this going to be ANOTHER entitlement program that will NEVER be able to go away?

[dbackjon]

Yes, that is why car manufacturers are reopening shifts, increasing production, etc.

Jon---what happens when the $3 billion runs out? Or is this going to be ANOTHER entitlement program that will NEVER be able to go away?

It runs out.

[AZGrizFan]

Jon---what happens when the $3 billion runs out? Or is this going to be ANOTHER entitlement program that will NEVER be able to go away?

It runs out.

And then all the jobs that were "saved", and the shifts that were "recalled" get sent down the shitter again. Your point, again?

[dbackjon]

It runs out.

And then all the jobs that were "saved", and the shifts that were "recalled" get sent down the shitter again. Your point, again?

By then the recovery will be in effect

[AZGrizFan]

And then all the jobs that were "saved", and the shifts that were "recalled" get sent down the shitter again. Your point, again?

By then the recovery will be in effect

It's a fake recovery, Jon.

[houndawg]

By then the recovery will be in effect

It's a fake recovery, Jon.

Time will tell. Alea jacta est.

[houndawg]

Yeah, $3 billion. Peanuts. And not a single job will be saved or created, nothing is being "stimulated" except the short-term impact to the auto builders bottom line.

Yes, that is why car manufacturers are reopening shifts, increasing production, etc.

But....but....that money could have been used for bonuses.

[D1B]

Yes, that is why car manufacturers are reopening shifts, increasing production, etc.

Jon---what happens when the $3 billion runs out? Or is this going to be ANOTHER entitlement program that will NEVER be able to go away?

Z = classic conk dumb fuck. Barely understands the credit union business, and that makes him an economic expert.

[SuperHornet]

Last week, some dude turned in a freaking Maserati under the Clunkers program. I was shocked when I heard that on the news. Well, it WAS '80s era and about on it's last legs, but still....dude could have sold it as an antique and gotten more from a guy wanting to restore it....

[AZGrizFan]

Jon---what happens when the $3 billion runs out? Or is this going to be ANOTHER entitlement program that will NEVER be able to go away?

Z = classic conk dumb fuck. Barely understands the credit union business, and that makes him an economic expert.

...says the donk economic expert that lives in a homeless shelter surrounded by cats.

[Cap'n Cat]

Reminder, again, to Conks that we already live in a socialist country. Have for decades and decades.

Carry on.

[bobbythekidd]

Washington (AP) - Billed as a way for the government to put more fuel-efficient vehicles on highways, the $3 billion Cash for Clunkers program sold thousands of commuter-friendly cars, including hybrids. But as it turns out, the most common deals replaced old Ford or Chevrolet pickups with new ones that get only marginally better gas mileage, according to an analysis of new federal data by The Associated Press.

The single most common swap -- which occurred more than 8,200 times -- involved Ford F150 pickup owners who took advantage of a government rebate to trade their old trucks for new Ford F150s. They were 17 times more likely to buy a new F150 than, say, a Toyota Prius.

The fuel economy for the new trucks ranged from 15 mpg to 17 mpg based on engine size and other factors, an improvement of just 1 mpg to 3 mpg over the clunkers.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56655

[houndawg]

Washington (AP) - Billed as a way for the government to put more fuel-efficient vehicles on highways, the $3 billion Cash for Clunkers program sold thousands of commuter-friendly cars, including hybrids. But as it turns out, the most common deals replaced old Ford or Chevrolet pickups with new ones that get only marginally better gas mileage, according to an analysis of new federal data by The Associated Press.

The single most common swap -- which occurred more than 8,200 times -- involved Ford F150 pickup owners who took advantage of a government rebate to trade their old trucks for new Ford F150s. They were 17 times more likely to buy a new F150 than, say, a Toyota Prius.

The fuel economy for the new trucks ranged from 15 mpg to 17 mpg based on engine size and other factors, an improvement of just 1 mpg to 3 mpg over the clunkers.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56655

Traded my '00 Dakota (16 mpg) for a '09 Tacoma (25 mpg). The difference is noticable.

[Wedgebuster]

If your old ride was worth a flock at all, you would have been many dollars ahead to sell it yourself, and deal for a cash deal on the new ride. Once you trade in, even if it is govt dough, you give up all leverage on the sticker price, they merely jostle with your "trade in" figures to hit your hot button.

I got stuff over ten years old and with well over a hunnert thou on them that I could sell for more than the 4k or whatever credit....

Pay attention to what you are buying, notice the most commonly traded in "clunker."

[houndawg]

If your old ride was worth a flock at all, you would have been many dollars ahead to sell it yourself, and deal for a cash deal on the new ride. Once you trade in, even if it is govt dough, you give up all leverage on the sticker price, they merely jostle with your "trade in" figures to hit your hot button.

I got stuff over ten years old and with well over a hunnert thou on them that I could sell for more than the 4k or whatever credit....

Pay attention to what you are buying, notice the most commonly traded in "clunker."

'00 Dakota with 185K, bald tires, been tipped on it's side, body by teenaged son.........I got a very nice deal plus a 56% increase in gas mileage. 11k, tax and license, included.

[AZGrizFan]

Bump.

Latest study suggests Cash for Clunkers program actually caused consumers to spend $3 billion LESS in the economy during that 9-11 month period all while costing the taxpayers an additional $3 billion.

Donk economics at it's finest.

Found this pic of Obama on the internet:

[Chizzang]

Bump.

Latest study suggests Cash for Clunkers program actually caused consumers to spend $3 billion LESS in the economy during that 9-11 month period all while costing the taxpayers an additional $3 billion.

Donk economics at it's finest.

Found this pic of Obama on the internet:

link

[AZGrizFan]

Bump.

Latest study suggests Cash for Clunkers program actually caused consumers to spend $3 billion LESS in the economy during that 9-11 month period all while costing the taxpayers an additional $3 billion.

Donk economics at it's finest.

Found this pic of Obama on the internet:

link

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08 ... n-thought/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or we're you looking for a link to the Obama dunce pic?

[SDHornet]

Fox news.

[AZGrizFan]

Fox news.

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