2022 Elections Thread

[AZGrizFan]

R's don't want fewer voters. We want ACTUAL voters (which ends up being fewer when you weed out the dead people and illegals and those voting multiple times).

Republicans benefit from low turnout. Jude Wanniski was talking about it 40 years ago.

No, they don’t. They benefit from LEGITIMATE turnout. There is a huge difference.

[Winterborn]

And never met a surveillance, defense or spending bill she didn't like.

I have no problem admitting that there are worse out there (many of them Trump lackys). Like I mentioned to 88, will have to see who runs against her.

Harriet Hageman is the Trump backed candidate and her transformation from a Ted "Boobs" Cruz supporter and never-Trumper in 2016 to an ardent Trump supporter is a remarkable feat of mental and moral gymnastics. Of course, anyone that supported Boobs and then Trump might be lacking in scruples.

So she is a perfect fit for Congress.

[SeattleGriz]

[BDKJMU]

Pelosi will turn 83 in March of 2023, 2 months into the next term of Congress. So the donks are still going to be stuck with an 83-84 year old Pelosi as their leader in the House (albeit she’ll be the minority leader as opposed to Speaker)..

[SeattleGriz]

Pelosi will turn 83 in March of 2023, 2 months into the next term of Congress. So the donks are still going to be stuck with an 83-84 year old Pelosi as their leader in the House (albeit she’ll be the minority leader as opposed to Speaker)..

I think she said she would step down from speaker in 2022. See if she reneges on her word. . See what that causes.

[BDKJMU]

Pelosi will turn 83 in March of 2023, 2 months into the next term of Congress. So the donks are still going to be stuck with an 83-84 year old Pelosi as their leader in the House (albeit she’ll be the minority leader as opposed to Speaker)..

I think she said she would step down from speaker in 2022. See if she reneges on her word. . See what that causes.

Step down my ass. She isn’t running for re-election at her age to be a back-bencher..

[JohnStOnge]

Republicans benefit from low turnout. Jude Wanniski was talking about it 40 years ago.

No, they don’t. They benefit from LEGITIMATE turnout. There is a huge difference.

As far as I know, there is no evidence that either of the two major parties benefits more from illegitimate turnout. But if you have something you can link I'll take a look at it.

What Republicans benefit from is low turnout among non Whites. Non Whites tend not to turn out as well as Whites do. When they do turn out at rates comparable to those of Whites, it is not good for Republicans.

I don't think the article at https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... 0-election illustrates that; though I don't think that is its main point.

First notice that 70.9% of Whites turned out in 2020 vs. only 58.4% of non Whites. In the face of that disparity, Democrats won the Presidential Election, won the majority of House elections (though they did lose seats...they got more votes overall), and took control of the Senate (barely). Imagine what would have happened if there had been 70.9% non White turnout instead of 58.4%.

Republicans do not want high turnout among non Whites. That's the main reason they are doing what they are doing with the voting laws while purporting to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

[JohnStOnge]

It's looking like the 2022 elections will be bad for the country and some of the underlying opinion trends underlying that are bad for the country already. Basically, the United States has a critical mass of horribly ignorant people. It is what it is.

[BDKJMU]

It's looking like the 2022 elections will be bad for the country and some of the underlying opinion trends underlying that are bad for the country already. Basically, the United States has a critical mass of horribly ignorant people. It is what it is.

Wrong. Its looking like the donks are going to get boat raced. That’s GREAT news for the country, despite what whiny liberals like you think.

[SDHornet]

Because when your policies and rhetoric are becoming so unpopular democracy no longer works.

Look at the way the districts here in CA were drawn and get back to me.

[Ivytalk]

It's looking like the 2022 elections will be bad for the country and some of the underlying opinion trends underlying that are bad for the country already. Basically, the United States has a critical mass of horribly ignorant people. It is what it is.

Why don’t you just come out of the closet as the “transpartied” Democrat that everyone here knows you are? You’ll be more comfortable with yourself, and your therapy bills will plummet. It will be liberating for you.

[kalm]

Republicans benefit from low turnout. Jude Wanniski was talking about it 40 years ago.

No, they don’t. They benefit from LEGITIMATE turnout. There is a huge difference.

Hmmm….define legitimate and show your work. Also illustrate how Republicans do not benefit from lower turnout.

"Now many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo-goo syndrome.' Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

- Paul Weyrich

[CID1990]

All I know right now is that when Democrats are in power pretty much everything goes straight to hell at a much more rapid pace than when Republicans are in power.


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[AZGrizFan]

No, they don’t. They benefit from LEGITIMATE turnout. There is a huge difference.

Hmmm….define legitimate and show your work. Also illustrate how Republicans do not benefit from lower turnout.

"Now many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo-goo syndrome.' Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

- Paul Weyrich

Define legitimate? Seriously?

And I’ll pass on the 2nd request. YOU made the statement they benefit from lower turnout. YOU illustrate how that’s true.

All Reps ask is that the only people voting are those ALLOWED to vote. Not dead people. Not illegal aliens. Not people who can’t prove who they are. Not people who are incarcerated. Not people voting multiple times. You know….LEGITIMATE.

[JohnStOnge]

It's looking like the 2022 elections will be bad for the country and some of the underlying opinion trends underlying that are bad for the country already. Basically, the United States has a critical mass of horribly ignorant people. It is what it is.

Why don’t you just come out of the closet as the “transpartied” Democrat that everyone here knows you are? You’ll be more comfortable with yourself, and your therapy bills will plummet. It will be liberating for you.

Because i am not a Democrat. i am a conservative Libertarian and I care about this country. The Republican Party is bat shit crazy right now. Voting Republican at this time in history is insane. It's not even a conservative party anymore. It's a populist party devoted to appealing to the most ignorant among us.

As I've said many times: I voted Republican most of my life because it was the lesser of two evils. But the worm has turned. The Republican Party is clearly the greater of two evils right now. And it's not a close call.

[UNI88]

Why don’t you just come out of the closet as the “transpartied” Democrat that everyone here knows you are? You’ll be more comfortable with yourself, and your therapy bills will plummet. It will be liberating for you.

Because i am not a Democrat. i am a conservative Libertarian and I care about this country. The Republican Party is bat shit crazy right now. Voting Republican at this time in history is insane. It's not even a conservative party anymore. It's a populist party devoted to appealing to the most ignorant among us.

As I've said many times: I voted Republican most of my life because it was the lesser of two evils. But the worm has turned. The Republican Party is clearly the greater of two evils right now. And it's not a close call.

You might identify as a conservative Libertarian but the biology of your posts indicate that you are a illiberal pseudo-progressive.

[Ivytalk]

Why don’t you just come out of the closet as the “transpartied” Democrat that everyone here knows you are? You’ll be more comfortable with yourself, and your therapy bills will plummet. It will be liberating for you.

Because i am not a Democrat. i am a conservative Libertarian and I care about this country. The Republican Party is bat shit crazy right now. Voting Republican at this time in history is insane. It's not even a conservative party anymore. It's a populist party devoted to appealing to the most ignorant among us.

As I've said many times: I voted Republican most of my life because it was the lesser of two evils. But the worm has turned. The Republican Party is clearly the greater of two evils right now. And it's not a close call.

You’re no conservative, much less a libertarian. You fully supported Build Back Better, mask mandates, Biden’s federal takeover of elections, and myriad other varieties of governmental control over the people. You’re a fraud.

[JohnStOnge]

Hmmm….define legitimate and show your work. Also illustrate how Republicans do not benefit from lower turnout.

"Now many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo-goo syndrome.' Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

- Paul Weyrich

Define legitimate? Seriously?

And I’ll pass on the 2nd request. YOU made the statement they benefit from lower turnout. YOU illustrate how that’s true.

All Reps ask is that the only people voting are those ALLOWED to vote. Not dead people. Not illegal aliens. Not people who can’t prove who they are. Not people who are incarcerated. Not people voting multiple times. You know….LEGITIMATE.

Again: There is no evidence that there is a problem of any practical significance with illegal voting. Also, there is no evidence that I know of that, to the extent that there are SOME illegal votes, they tend to favor either side. This thing with Republicans constantly erecting this false boogey man of illegal voting as though THAT'S what they have to worry about is absurd. There is no evidence that it was a problem of any practical significance in the 2020 election. There is no evidence that it has EVER been a problem of any practical significance in the modern era. The only instance I can even think of where it was of practical significance involved a REPUBLICAN effort in North Carolina. See https://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/ ... 828893002/.

The following February, after a four-day hearing, the candidate who won, Republican Mark Harris, said in a stunning testimony that he believed there was enough evidence of fraud that the results should be thrown out and a new election should be called. It’s believed to be the first time in modern political history that a congressional contest was thrown out due to fraud.

There is no problem whereby Democrats benefit from illegal voting. What Republicans are worried about is legal voting among definable groups that tend to vote against them. So they repeatedly raise the false voter fraud boogey man in order to justify making rules to suppress the vote among those groups. It's obvious.

[JohnStOnge]

Because i am not a Democrat. i am a conservative Libertarian and I care about this country. The Republican Party is bat shit crazy right now. Voting Republican at this time in history is insane. It's not even a conservative party anymore. It's a populist party devoted to appealing to the most ignorant among us.

As I've said many times: I voted Republican most of my life because it was the lesser of two evils. But the worm has turned. The Republican Party is clearly the greater of two evils right now. And it's not a close call.

You’re no conservative, much less a libertarian. You fully supported Build Back Better, mask mandates, Biden’s federal takeover of elections, and myriad other varieties of governmental control over the people. You’re a fraud.

I was a Libertarian decades before you became one. Libertarianism means you believe that a person is free to do whatever they want as long as it does not directly harm someone else. So, for example, I am against laws saying adults have to wear seat belts because the only person that can be physically harmed by failure to wear a seat belt is the person who failed to wear a seat belt. Failing to wear a mask during a pandemic potentially causes other people to get the disease. I also don't think being a libertarian means people should be able to discharge their untreated sewage into the ditch in front of their house. Again; That can physically harm other people. That can spread disease.

Libertarianism is not anarchism.

And I don't think I ever said I support Build Back Better. Ordinarily, I would not. However, the top priority right now...the best thing for the country...would be to consign the current Republican Party to the ash heap of history. I think that if Build Back Better had been passed it would have been popular. I think it would have increased the chance of diminishing the Republican Party. So, for that reason, I would not mind if it had passed.

To review positions I have cited in the past: If I had my way there would be no laws saying you couldn't put any drug into your system that you want to. There would be no Drug Enforcement Administration. There would be no such thing as prescription drugs. if someone wanted to sell you a drug and you wanted to buy it, you could buy it. Prostitution would be legal everywhere. There would be no seat belt laws. There would be no motorcycle helmet laws. There would be no laws requiring that you have flotation devices on your boat (unless you had children with you). Businesses could be racist if they wanted to. Employers could be racist in their hiring decisions. That's because I believe businesses have a right to decide who they want to deal with just as customers have the right to decide which businesses they want to deal with. And I believe employers should have the right to hire or not hire whoever they want to hire or not hire for whatever reason they have. I could go on. But you get the picture.

I am indeed a Libertarian. But the Republican Party is not Libertarian. At this point in history, we can expect more liberty, on balance, if the Republican Party is eliminated as a significant factor.

[Ivytalk]

You’re no conservative, much less a libertarian. You fully supported Build Back Better, mask mandates, Biden’s federal takeover of elections, and myriad other varieties of governmental control over the people. You’re a fraud.

I was a Libertarian decades before you became one. Libertarianism means you believe that a person is free to do whatever they want as long as it does not directly harm someone else. So, for example, I am against laws saying adults have to wear seat belts because the only person that can be physically harmed by failure to wear a seat belt is the person who failed to wear a seat belt. Failing to wear a mask during a pandemic potentially causes other people to get the disease. I also don't think being a libertarian means people should be able to discharge their untreated sewage into the ditch in front of their house. Again; That can physically harm other people. That can spread disease.

Libertarianism is not anarchism.

And I don't think I ever said I support Build Back Better. Ordinarily, I would not. However, the top priority right now...the best thing for the country...would be to consign the current Republican Party to the ash heap of history. I think that if Build Back Better had been passed it would have been popular. I think it would have increased the chance of diminishing the Republican Party. So, for that reason, I would not mind if it had passed.

To review positions I have cited in the past: If I had my way there would be no laws saying you couldn't put any drug into your system that you want to. There would be no Drug Enforcement Administration. There would be no such thing as prescription drugs. if someone wanted to sell you a drug and you wanted to buy it, you could buy it. Prostitution would be legal everywhere. There would be no seat belt laws. There would be no motorcycle helmet laws. There would be no laws requiring that you have flotation devices on your boat (unless you had children with you). Businesses could be racist if they wanted to. Employers could be racist in their hiring decisions. That's because I believe businesses have a right to decide who they want to deal with just as customers have the right to decide which businesses they want to deal with. And I believe employers should have the right to hire or not hire whoever they want to hire or not hire for whatever reason they have. I could go on. But you get the picture.

I am indeed a Libertarian. But the Republican Party is not Libertarian. At this point in history, we can expect more liberty, on balance, if the Republican Party is eliminated as a significant factor.

Don’t forget your inalienable right to kick your dog. And your opposition to minimum ages for consent to sex. And your breathtaking conclusion that Democrat dominance will enhance personal liberty.

[JohnStOnge]

All I know right now is that when Democrats are in power pretty much everything goes straight to hell at a much more rapid pace than when Republicans are in power.


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I don't see how you can say that. The "Great Recession" happened when Republicans controlled the White House and the Senate.

When Donald Trump left office, we were coming off a 3.5 percentage point drop in GDP during 2020. It was the biggest drop in 74 years. COVID-19 deaths were averaging over 3,000 per day. The US economy had 2.3 million fewer jobs than it had when Trump took office. The unemployment rate, at 6.4%, was higher than it was when Trump took office (4.7%). We were already IN hell when Biden took office. It's not like things were great.

BTW the most recent 5 US recessions going back to 1981 started when a Republican was President.

[JohnStOnge]

I was a Libertarian decades before you became one. Libertarianism means you believe that a person is free to do whatever they want as long as it does not directly harm someone else. So, for example, I am against laws saying adults have to wear seat belts because the only person that can be physically harmed by failure to wear a seat belt is the person who failed to wear a seat belt. Failing to wear a mask during a pandemic potentially causes other people to get the disease. I also don't think being a libertarian means people should be able to discharge their untreated sewage into the ditch in front of their house. Again; That can physically harm other people. That can spread disease.

Libertarianism is not anarchism.

And I don't think I ever said I support Build Back Better. Ordinarily, I would not. However, the top priority right now...the best thing for the country...would be to consign the current Republican Party to the ash heap of history. I think that if Build Back Better had been passed it would have been popular. I think it would have increased the chance of diminishing the Republican Party. So, for that reason, I would not mind if it had passed.

To review positions I have cited in the past: If I had my way there would be no laws saying you couldn't put any drug into your system that you want to. There would be no Drug Enforcement Administration. There would be no such thing as prescription drugs. if someone wanted to sell you a drug and you wanted to buy it, you could buy it. Prostitution would be legal everywhere. There would be no seat belt laws. There would be no motorcycle helmet laws. There would be no laws requiring that you have flotation devices on your boat (unless you had children with you). Businesses could be racist if they wanted to. Employers could be racist in their hiring decisions. That's because I believe businesses have a right to decide who they want to deal with just as customers have the right to decide which businesses they want to deal with. And I believe employers should have the right to hire or not hire whoever they want to hire or not hire for whatever reason they have. I could go on. But you get the picture.

I am indeed a Libertarian. But the Republican Party is not Libertarian. At this point in history, we can expect more liberty, on balance, if the Republican Party is eliminated as a significant factor.

Don’t forget your inalienable right to kick your dog. And your opposition to minimum ages for consent to sex. And your breathtaking conclusion that Democrat dominance will enhance personal liberty.

Yes, I believe you have a right to kick your dog. I never said I had opposition to minimum ages of consent. What I have said is that, biologically, in is natural for a person who is at reproductive developmental stage of one sex to be sexually attracted to a person who is at reproductive developmental stage of another sex. A 24 year old male being sexually attracted to a 15 year old female who displays the characteristics of a reproductive female, for instance, is not unnatural. If someone disagrees with that, they are just in denial of biological reality.

And I can't believe someone smart enough to have been admitted to an Ivy League school can't see that the Republican Party is a threat to the infrastructure that protects our Liberty right now.

[Ivytalk]

Don’t forget your inalienable right to kick your dog. And your opposition to minimum ages for consent to sex. And your breathtaking conclusion that Democrat dominance will enhance personal liberty.

Yes, I believe you have a right to kick your dog. I never said I had opposition to minimum ages of consent. What I have said is that, biologically, in is natural for a person who is at reproductive developmental stage of one sex to be sexually attracted to a person who is at reproductive developmental stage of another sex. A 24 year old male being sexually attracted to a 15 year old female who displays the characteristics of a reproductive female, for instance, is not unnatural. If someone disagrees with that, they are just in denial of biological reality.

And I can't believe someone smart enough to have been admitted to an Ivy League school can't see that the Republican Party is a threat to the infrastructure that protects our Liberty right now.

Thanks for clearing that up. But tell me how Democrat dominance and manipulation of the country’s “infrastructure” — and I assume you mean this country’s foundational documents and political institutions — will enhance personal liberty. Dumping on Republicans is a dodge. Answer my question, Mr. Libertarian. Have you ever even read Hayek?

[AZGrizFan]

All I know right now is that when Democrats are in power pretty much everything goes straight to hell at a much more rapid pace than when Republicans are in power.


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I don't see how you can say that. The "Great Recession" happened when Republicans controlled the White House and the Senate.

When Donald Trump left office, we were coming off a 3.5 percentage point drop in GDP during 2020. It was the biggest drop in 74 years. COVID-19 deaths were averaging over 3,000 per day. The US economy had 2.3 million fewer jobs than it had when Trump took office. The unemployment rate, at 6.4%, was higher than it was when Trump took office (4.7%). We were already IN hell when Biden took office. It's not like things were great.

BTW the most recent 5 US recessions going back to 1981 started when a Republican was President.

Now do the 5 most recent wars.

[CID1990]

All I know right now is that when Democrats are in power pretty much everything goes straight to hell at a much more rapid pace than when Republicans are in power.


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I don't see how you can say that. The "Great Recession" happened when Republicans controlled the White House and the Senate.

When Donald Trump left office, we were coming off a 3.5 percentage point drop in GDP during 2020. It was the biggest drop in 74 years. COVID-19 deaths were averaging over 3,000 per day. The US economy had 2.3 million fewer jobs than it had when Trump took office. The unemployment rate, at 6.4%, was higher than it was when Trump took office (4.7%). We were already IN hell when Biden took office. It's not like things were great.

BTW the most recent 5 US recessions going back to 1981 started when a Republican was President.

Of course you don’t see how I can say that.

I pretty much take your responses to anything in this forum as read.


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