Coronavirus COVID-19

[SDHornet]

Run like hell from anyone who pretends to know all the answers.

Yet you've been snuggling up to the narrative of the week spewed from the "experts" from day 1 of this thing.

[SDHornet]

83% fully vaccinated vs 64% in the US.

Difference between a B vs D student.

Define "fully vaccinated"

[AZGrizFan]

83% fully vaccinated vs 64% in the US.

Difference between a B vs D student.

Define "fully vaccinated"

This should be good.

[BDKJMU]

83% fully vaccinated vs 64% in the US.

Difference between a B vs D student.

68%. 5 and under doesn’t count, sounce they’re not elgible to receive the vaccine.

87% of the adult population in the US at least 1 shot. Those are some pretty high #s.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... rate-total

Time to move on (edit for multiple typos).

[SDHornet]

Define "fully vaccinated"

This should be good.

Not as good as his Russia thread, unfortunately.

[kalm]

Run like hell from anyone who pretends to know all the answers.

Yet you've been snuggling up to the narrative of the week spewed from the "experts" from day 1 of this thing.

Ah! A sign you’ve never really paid attention to actual experts from the start…instead just incessantly bitching about the guvmint and ma freedom.

The experts I’ve followed from the very beginning simply do not proclaim to have it all figured out. They speak in terms of changing metrics, possibilities of new variants, declining surges, and improved treatments etc.

You continue to confuse inconsistent, hypocritical, poor political leadership with actual science which in many ways has been quite extraordinary in its ability to predict and improve outcomes. But hey! Conspiracy theories are fun!

So yes…I like to snuggle

[CID1990]

83% fully vaccinated vs 64% in the US.

Difference between a B vs D student.

83% fully vaccinated vs 64% in the US.

Difference between a B vs D student.

Look who crawled out from under his rock to pick a nit!

I SAID - “at least one dose”

So those people were vax friendly and then suddenly became dumbasses?


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[kalm]

[CAA Flagship]

Also, source of climate change.

[SeattleGriz]

Variants most likely happen in everyone who gets symptomatic Covid. It's simply the virus making errors when it uses your machinery to copy itself. The longer it can use your machinery, the more chances it has to mutate and spread.

This is why an Ivermectin type solution would have been nice. You stop the virus from replicating, you reduce variants.

This is also why it was crazy to limit doctors in finding ways to treat early. Let them do their jobs.

[Gil Dobie]

The late rocker Meat Loaf was outspokenly anti-vaccine mandate and anti-mask before his death — once telling a reporter, “If I die, I die, but I’m not going to be controlled,” according to reports Friday.

The 74-year-old “Bat Out of Hell” singer — who was reportedly critically ill with COVID-19 before he passed away Thursday — was opposed to pandemic restrictions, slamming lockdowns and mask mandates during an interview last summer.

The Grammy Award-winning musician, whose real name was Marvin Lee Aday, also railed against vaccine mandates in Australia

[Gil Dobie]

Variants most likely happen in everyone who gets symptomatic Covid. It's simply the virus making errors when it uses your machinery to copy itself. The longer it can use your machinery, the more chances it has to mutate and spread.

This is why an Ivermectin type solution would have been nice. You stop the virus from replicating, you reduce variants.

This is also why it was crazy to limit doctors in finding ways to treat early. Let them do their jobs.

As far as my Dr has told me, Dexamethasone has been the best treatment for Covid patients on the vent. Remdesivir helps with recovery.

A Japanese test on Ivermectin showed an anti-viral effect on Omicron, but has not been approved as a treatment in Japan.

[Baldy]

[Skjellyfetti]

83% fully vaccinated vs 64% in the US.

Difference between a B vs D student.

Define "fully vaccinated"

CDC defines it as 2 weeks after receiving your second dose of Modern/Pfizer or two weeks after single dose of J&J.

Personally, I think boosters should be included now. But, I think the CDC definition is what you were wanting help with.

[Skjellyfetti]

Look who crawled out from under his rock to pick a nit!

I SAID - “at least one dose”

So those people were vax friendly and then suddenly became dumbasses?

Yes, but you were comparing those "at least one dose" numbers with "fully vaccinated" numbers from Denmark. Why didn't you use fully vaccinated? Hmmmm.

[CID1990]

Look who crawled out from under his rock to pick a nit!

I SAID - “at least one dose”

So those people were vax friendly and then suddenly became dumbasses?

Yes, but you were comparing those "at least one dose" numbers with "fully vaccinated" numbers from Denmark. Why didn't you use fully vaccinated? Hmmmm.

Because I group people who have had at least one dose into the non-dumbass category, Reek. That’s why I clearly stated “at least one dose”.

You may return to your hovel now.


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[JohnStOnge]

Ok guys Here is a Factcheck.org discussion of natural immunity vs. vaccination:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/scich ... ter-doses/

I'm posting it because there is a lot of discussion of the California/New York study that showing that, while vaccination was more effective than natural immunity during a week in May, natural immunity was more effective than vaccination during a week in October after the Delta variant came to dominate and the effect of vaccine boosters could not yet have been assessed.

I know conservatives like to try to discredit Factcheck.org because the truth does not line up with a lot of the beliefs they have. But the article is well referenced and provides links to various studies. And it says that being "fully vaccinated" and boosted appears to be more effective than natural immunity against the Omicron variant that is dominant right now.

There is a lot in the article. But here is what I think is an interesting quote:

Another peer-reviewed paper, published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Dec. 30, by Rockefeller University researchers, found “low or undetectable” levels of neutralizing antibodies against omicron in samples from those with two-dose vaccinations or recovery from COVID-19 without vaccination. But for those who got three doses of an mRNA vaccine or had COVID-19 and then were vaccinated, neutralizing antibodies were “substantial.” Plasma specimens were used from 47 people.

“What some are missing is that 3rd (booster) shots don’t simply restore immunity that has waned since the 2nd,” Paul Bieniasz, a virologist who co-led the study, said on Twitter. “Rather, they expand and broaden the antibodies and memory cells, likely giving a degree of protection against variants you NEVER previously had.”

You can NOT make a Statement like "natural immunity is more effective than vaccination" without considering the fact that the vaccination recommendation right now includes boosting. And further learning might indicate that it should include additional boosting.

The other thing I think the Factcheck.org article does, I think, is show that we have a situation in which the anti-vaxxers will jump on ONE study if it happens to support what they want to believe and ignore all of the other research that is out there contradicting what they want to believe.

And the thing is: It doesn't even matter that much. Whether natural immunity or vaccine induced immunity is better, everybody should get vaccinated. Everybody getting vaccinated is better than not everybody getting vaccinated. If natural immunity is better, that's fine. But if you get vaccinated then get infected anyway you have far less of a chance of suffering serious consequences than you do if you don't get vaccinated then get infected. THEN you are in the BEST situation where you have been both vaccinated and infected.

[JohnStOnge]

People need to make their own decisions based on what's best for themselves and stop trying to force or coerce everyone else into their mindset. Me thinks a lot of those still in favor of the draconian mandates are just butt hurt that the vax wasn't the stop all the folks in charge of the response claimed it to be and aren't happy they got conned into getting the jab.

Read this in a tweet.

It's okay to be mad, but be mad at the people who lied to you, not the people who recognized the lie.

The problem is we have people who think they have recognized a lie when what they are doing is denying the truth. And we have a lot of that going on in association with the COVID-19 denial situation. Denying the truth that COVID-19 is indeed a huge problem that is killing a whole bunch of people. Denying the truth that widespread community masking does significantly reduce the risk. Denying the truth that the vaccines are safe and effective and we'd be a lot better off if everybody got vaccinated according to current recommendations, so on and so forth.

[Col Hogan]

Adults are truly failing these kids…

[SeattleGriz]

Ok guys Here is a Factcheck.org discussion of natural immunity vs. vaccination:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/scich ... ter-doses/

I'm posting it because there is a lot of discussion of the California/New York study that showing that, while vaccination was more effective than natural immunity during a week in May, natural immunity was more effective than vaccination during a week in October after the Delta variant came to dominate and the effect of vaccine boosters could not yet have been assessed.

I know conservatives like to try to discredit Factcheck.org because the truth does not line up with a lot of the beliefs they have. But the article is well referenced and provides links to various studies. And it says that being "fully vaccinated" and boosted appears to be more effective than natural immunity against the Omicron variant that is dominant right now.

There is a lot in the article. But here is what I think is an interesting quote:

Another peer-reviewed paper, published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Dec. 30, by Rockefeller University researchers, found “low or undetectable” levels of neutralizing antibodies against omicron in samples from those with two-dose vaccinations or recovery from COVID-19 without vaccination. But for those who got three doses of an mRNA vaccine or had COVID-19 and then were vaccinated, neutralizing antibodies were “substantial.” Plasma specimens were used from 47 people.

“What some are missing is that 3rd (booster) shots don’t simply restore immunity that has waned since the 2nd,” Paul Bieniasz, a virologist who co-led the study, said on Twitter. “Rather, they expand and broaden the antibodies and memory cells, likely giving a degree of protection against variants you NEVER previously had.”

You can NOT make a Statement like "natural immunity is more effective than vaccination" without considering the fact that the vaccination recommendation right now includes boosting. And further learning might indicate that it should include additional boosting.

The other thing I think the Factcheck.org article does, I think, is show that we have a situation in which the anti-vaxxers will jump on ONE study if it happens to support what they want to believe and ignore all of the other research that is out there contradicting what they want to believe.

And the thing is: It doesn't even matter that much. Whether natural immunity or vaccine induced immunity is better, everybody should get vaccinated. Everybody getting vaccinated is better than not everybody getting vaccinated. If natural immunity is better, that's fine. But if you get vaccinated then get infected anyway you have far less of a chance of suffering serious consequences than you do if you don't get vaccinated then get infected. THEN you are in the BEST situation where you have been both vaccinated and infected.

Let me shoot your fact check down with one question. If the vaccines are so great, why are we seeing so many breakthrough cases? Sure don't see that happening on the side of people who are naturally recovered.

The vaccines did their job. They worked well when COVID was nasty and as we've gotten further from the wild type they've lost a lot of ground on naturally recovered immunity.

[Gil Dobie]

Ok guys Here is a Factcheck.org discussion of natural immunity vs. vaccination:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/scich ... ter-doses/

I'm posting it because there is a lot of discussion of the California/New York study that showing that, while vaccination was more effective than natural immunity during a week in May, natural immunity was more effective than vaccination during a week in October after the Delta variant came to dominate and the effect of vaccine boosters could not yet have been assessed.

I know conservatives like to try to discredit Factcheck.org because the truth does not line up with a lot of the beliefs they have. But the article is well referenced and provides links to various studies. And it says that being "fully vaccinated" and boosted appears to be more effective than natural immunity against the Omicron variant that is dominant right now.

There is a lot in the article. But here is what I think is an interesting quote:



You can NOT make a Statement like "natural immunity is more effective than vaccination" without considering the fact that the vaccination recommendation right now includes boosting. And further learning might indicate that it should include additional boosting.

The other thing I think the Factcheck.org article does, I think, is show that we have a situation in which the anti-vaxxers will jump on ONE study if it happens to support what they want to believe and ignore all of the other research that is out there contradicting what they want to believe.

And the thing is: It doesn't even matter that much. Whether natural immunity or vaccine induced immunity is better, everybody should get vaccinated. Everybody getting vaccinated is better than not everybody getting vaccinated. If natural immunity is better, that's fine. But if you get vaccinated then get infected anyway you have far less of a chance of suffering serious consequences than you do if you don't get vaccinated then get infected. THEN you are in the BEST situation where you have been both vaccinated and infected.

Let me shoot your fact check down with one question. If the vaccines are so great, why are we seeing so many breakthrough cases? Sure don't see that happening on the side of people who are naturally recovered.

The vaccines did their job. They worked well when COVID was nasty and as we've gotten further from the wild type they've lost a lot of ground on naturally recovered immunity.

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

[AZGrizFan]

Let me shoot your fact check down with one question. If the vaccines are so great, why are we seeing so many breakthrough cases? Sure don't see that happening on the side of people who are naturally recovered.

The vaccines did their job. They worked well when COVID was nasty and as we've gotten further from the wild type they've lost a lot of ground on naturally recovered immunity.

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

If the vaccines are all that and a bag of chips, why do we need to get ANOTHER shot every 4 months?

[Gil Dobie]

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

If the vaccines are all that and a bag of chips, why do we need to get ANOTHER shot every 4 months?

I was told 6 months, flu is annual.

[89Hen]

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

I know it's anecdotal, but I know at least 50 people who got Omicron (compared to two who had the first strain) and 100% of them are double vax and boosted.

[SeattleGriz]

Let me shoot your fact check down with one question. If the vaccines are so great, why are we seeing so many breakthrough cases? Sure don't see that happening on the side of people who are naturally recovered.

The vaccines did their job. They worked well when COVID was nasty and as we've gotten further from the wild type they've lost a lot of ground on naturally recovered immunity.

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

Best I can quickly tell, England is running about 6.4% and that totally pulling numbers out of my butt.

I took the 4 week rolling totals per 100k (25.5k)and simply divided by 4 to get a weekly average of 6,400 per 100,000 that have three shots and caught COVID.

Have no clue how many 3 shot people are in England.

Also have no idea how many 3 shoters actually caught COVID and didn't know.