Coronavirus COVID-19

[CID1990]

High profile Dems: Mask mandates for thee, but not for me!

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This is how leftists operate, and why they are headed off to the political wilderness for at least a generation


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[JohnStOnge]

No, i have not. You just don't recognize that I am correct because you for some reason have decided to buy into false narratives and tend to selectively view information and choose sources so as to reinforce your false beliefs. i'm not saying that makes you bad. But you are misguided. i can only hope that you snap out of it at some point.

We're sitting on a whole thread of all your "correct" statements. Essentially you've toed the company line and as we can all see, it failed and caused a huge amount of damage.

If we'd have just followed the science from all our past pandemic lessons, we'd be much better off.

We'd be a lot better off if we had followed the science but that would mean getting rid of the misinformation problem fostered by people doing the kind of things you do. When I look at stuff I take an objective approach. I also look at how the authors of given paper on a study interpret their own paper. I don't do things like...say...interpret a table in a report in a way the authors of the report say not to interpret it.

This latest exchange started with a scientist in a Wall Street Journal editorial saying a study showed natural immunity to be more effective. I could not see the whole editorial but, in the part I could see, he focused on one finding. I did not see a mention of the fact that during one period the vaccines were more effective and during another period natural immunity was more effective. I did not see a mention of the fact that the authors emphasized the point that the results could not be projected to Omicron and other variants and did not capture the effect of boosters. I think it's reasonable and correct to say that, at this point, following the vaccine recommendations means you get a booster.

In that regard I looked for stuff on whether we know anything about vaccine effectiveness vs. natural immunity with Omicron. i found references and links to the study described at https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220 ... iants.aspx. i picked that page because it's Columbia University describing a study where one of the investigators is a Columbia University staffer. A quote;

Antibodies from people double-vaccinated with any of the four most widely used vaccines—Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson—were significantly less effective at neutralizing the omicron variant compared to the ancestral virus. Antibodies from previously infected individuals were even less likely to neutralize omicron.

Individuals who received a booster shot of either of the two mRNA vaccines are likely to be better protected, although even their antibodies exhibited diminished neutralizing activity against omicron.

I think it's fair to interpret that as meaning the study suggests the levels of protection for each of three circumstances, ranked from most protection to least, are 1) boosted, 2) fully vaccinated but not boosted, 3) previous infection. That's lab stuff and not a study on case occurrences. But that's what it suggests. We'll see what happens when we start seeing case control studies and such.

The article at https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220 ... iants.aspx references a study with a similar bottom line. A quote:

A study to be published in the journal Nature has demonstrated that antibodies induced by two-dose coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccination or natural infection exhibit very low neutralizing activity against the omicron variant of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). However, individuals immunized with three vaccine doses, or COVID-19 recovered patients with double or triple vaccination, exhibit considerable protection against the variant.

Same thing. They looked at antibody activity, not epidemiology numbers. We'll see what happens when they look at epi numbers.

Look, I don't really care if natural immunity or vaccination provides better protection. But, given that the vaccination recommendation now is to be boosted, the body of research and data do not support the blanket statement that natural immunity provides better protection. Also, getting vaccinated is clearly the smartest path to take and we'd all be better off if everybody followed the vaccination recommendations. We'd have a lot fewer cases and deaths. We'd have a lot fewer infections. People say "vaccination doesn't prevent infection." It does. It does not prevent ALL infections. But it prevents a substantial proportion of them. We should be looking at every factor we can deploy to reduce transmission probability.

My expectation is that vaccination will have to be boosted periodically, It's not a one and done or two and done shot. Also, SARS-CoV-2 continues to mutate to evade both natural immunity and vaccination. So it's a battle. One that hopefully will become easier if and when a pan-Coronavirus vaccine is developed (see https://www.health.mil/News/Articles/20 ... ws-Promise).

[JohnStOnge]

We're sitting on a whole thread of all your "correct" statements. Essentially you've toed the company line and as we can all see, it failed and caused a huge amount of damage.

If we'd have just followed the science from all our past pandemic lessons, we'd be much better off.

He’s come a long way from “its just the flu”


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Very unlikely that I ever said anything like that. I do remember that, very early on as in early late January of early February, I told my wife I considered the flu to be a greater risk. We were talking about risk to her elderly, ill mother who was living with us. I was talking about an upcoming trip I had to...yes...provide sampling and data analysis modules of a training course for State and foreign country staff in California in early March and she was worried about me going and brining COVID-19 home to her Mom. I told her that, yes, COVID-19 was associated with a higher risk of death but if you became infected but the odds of coming into contact with someone with influenza were MUCH higher at the time. And I think I was probably correct about the risk at that time.

I can also remember thinking it likely that COVID-19 did not spread readily from human to human. But it pretty quickly became evident that such is not the case.

I just follow the data and the research. Sometimes the information changes. I change my opinion when the data and the information dictate changing my opinion. That's why I changed my opinion on widespread mask wearing after the data and the research indicated that asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic people could transmit the disease.

Nothing has happened so far to justify changing opinion on this anti vaccine stuff. The available information clearly indicates that we would all be a lot better off if everybody was fully vaccinated and boosted; with "everybody" including people who have been previously infected. And we'd all be a lot better off going forward if everybody followed whatever the vaccine recommendations are as we move along.

[JohnStOnge]

High profile Dems: Mask mandates for thee, but not for me!

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... ks-n446669

This is how leftists operate, and why they are headed off to the political wilderness for at least a generation


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All other things aside, the author shows their own ignorance in making this statement:

She’s the only person in that room not wearing a mask. And given her weight, she’s almost certainly the person who’s most at risk of severe illness if she’s infected.

I don't know what it is going to take to make so many of the anti-mask people understand that the primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHER people in case you are infected and don't know it.

I think it would have been wise for her to wear a mask for PR purposes, but the current CDC recommendation is this:

If you are not up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines and are ages 2 or older, you should wear a mask indoors in public.

CDC defines "up to date" as follows:

Up to date means a person has received all recommended COVID-19 vaccines, including any booster dose(s) when eligible.

i couldn't quickly find something saying Abrahams has been vaccinated and boosted but i did find something saying she's vaccinated and also stuff saying she's involved in outreach efforts to get other Black people vaccinated. If I had to bet I'd bet she's up to date on her vaccinations and is following CDC recommendations in that picture.

Of course, it's easy for an extremely biased entity like Hot Air to take a shot like that and create a quick impression that all of the rational context in the world won't change with the people who are already inclined not to like Democrats.

[CID1990]

High profile Dems: Mask mandates for thee, but not for me!

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... ks-n446669

This is how leftists operate, and why they are headed off to the political wilderness for at least a generation


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All other things aside, the author shows their own ignorance in making this statement:

She’s the only person in that room not wearing a mask. And given her weight, she’s almost certainly the person who’s most at risk of severe illness if she’s infected.

I don't know what it is going to take to make so many of the anti-mask people understand that the primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHER people in case you are infected and don't know it.

I think it would have been wise for her to wear a mask for PR purposes, but the current CDC recommendation is this:

If you are not up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines and are ages 2 or older, you should wear a mask indoors in public.

CDC defines "up to date" as follows:

Up to date means a person has received all recommended COVID-19 vaccines, including any booster dose(s) when eligible.

i couldn't quickly find something saying Abrahams has been vaccinated and boosted but i did find something saying she's vaccinated and also stuff saying she's involved in outreach efforts to get other Black people vaccinated. If I had to bet I'd bet she's up to date on her vaccinations and is following CDC recommendations in that picture.

Of course, it's easy for an extremely biased entity like Hot Air to take a shot like that and create a quick impression that all of the rational context in the world won't change with the people who are already inclined not to like Democrats.

HotAir is well known to be moderate conservative and anti-Trump.

spin the hypocrisy all you want - those school kids were required to be masked and she flaunted a photo op without a mask

School mask mandates are not following the science and Abrams is a proponent of them. She, like most of the Ctrl-Left, is a hypocrite

Have fun this November


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[AZGrizFan]

Well that graph would say differently.

That is an illustration of the problem. You have numerous studies by credible entities saying masking reduces the risk and you go with a graph by somebody calling themselves 'Eric' on Twitter.

Is his data incorrect?

[SeattleGriz]

Well that graph would say differently.

That is an illustration of the problem. You have numerous studies by credible entities saying masking reduces the risk and you go with a graph by somebody calling themselves 'Eric' on Twitter.

Which studies? Can you cite just one?

[Pwns]

Even the Young Turks were calling out the LA Mayor for his "but I was holding my breath during that picture" comment. When proggie leftists get how the hypocrisy you've seen from politicians undermines institutional trust and compliance with covid safety measures, you know the JSO's who makes excuses for these politicians are just chanting and waving their team-blue pompoms.

The Donald Trump paradox is that he may have gaslit his biggest haters worse than he gaslit his biggest supporters.

[SDHornet]

Even the Young Turks were calling out the LA Mayor for his "but I was holding my breath during that picture" comment. When proggie leftists get how the hypocrisy you've seen from politicians undermines institutional trust and compliance with covid safety measures, you know the JSO's who makes excuses for these politicians are just chanting and waving their team-blue pompoms.

The Donald Trump paradox is that he may have gaslit his biggest haters worse than he gaslit his biggest supporters.

The shitlibs like TYT and Maher are saying this only because the tide is turning against the Branch Covidians. If polls weren't in the tank regarding the Donks handling of the China Virus, there would be nothing but crickets coming from those folks.

[CID1990]

Who wins the pool on triggering the highest word count from JSO?

Im thinking its me!


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[SDHornet]

Who wins the pool on triggering the highest word count from JSO?

Im thinking its me!


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Without a doubt. Although SG has to be a close 2nd. I really get him going whenever the Brown vote and blue voting comes into play. So much fun trolling that fucktard.

[HI54UNI]

High profile Dems: Mask mandates for thee, but not for me!

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... ks-n446669

This is how leftists operate, and why they are headed off to the political wilderness for at least a generation


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Tubby is the most at risk of anyone in that picture and she isn't wearing a mask.

[CID1990]

Who wins the pool on triggering the highest word count from JSO?

Im thinking its me!


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Without a doubt. Although SG has to be a close 2nd. I really get him going whenever the Brown vote and blue voting comes into play. So much fun trolling that fucktard.

Yeah but SG uses too many words

I can get a 1:200 ratio out of JSO easy


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[AZGrizFan]

Without a doubt. Although SG has to be a close 2nd. I really get him going whenever the Brown vote and blue voting comes into play. So much fun trolling that fucktard.

Yeah but SG uses too many words

I can get a 1:200 ratio out of JSO easy


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Same on any economic topic.

[SDHornet]

[AZGrizFan]

Just saw a really funny comment on a FoxNews story, that sums up my thoughts exactly:

“By not getting vaccinated, I have a 100% chance of NO vaccine side effects, and a 99.8% chance of surviving COVID.”

I like those odds.

[Gil Dobie]

Just saw a really funny comment on a FoxNews story, that sums up my thoughts exactly:

“By not getting vaccinated, I have a 100% chance of NO vaccine side effects, and a 99.8% chance of surviving COVID.”

I like those odds.

At least 50 percent of people who survive covid-19 experience a variety of physical and psychological health issues for six months or more after their initial recovery, according to research on the long-term effects of the disease, published in the journal JAMA Network Open.

link

I've been noticing people I know having issues like covid cough and blood clot issue, and they are under age 50.

[CID1990]

The dam is about to break - NJ is ending school mask mandates


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[CAA Flagship]

The dam is about to break - NJ is ending school mask mandates


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And NJ has one of the toughest Teacher's Unions in the country.

[CID1990]

The dam is about to break - NJ is ending school mask mandates


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And NJ has one of the toughest Teacher's Unions in the country.

I hope people have neck braces because the whiplash from the left is going to be epic


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[Baldy]

High profile Dems: Mask mandates for thee, but not for me!

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... ks-n446669

This is how leftists operate, and why they are headed off to the political wilderness for at least a generation


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All other things aside, the author shows their own ignorance in making this statement:

She’s the only person in that room not wearing a mask. And given her weight, she’s almost certainly the person who’s most at risk of severe illness if she’s infected.

I don't know what it is going to take to make so many of the anti-mask people understand that the primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHER people in case you are infected and don't know it.

I think it would have been wise for her to wear a mask for PR purposes, but the current CDC recommendation is this:

If you are not up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines and are ages 2 or older, you should wear a mask indoors in public.

CDC defines "up to date" as follows:

Up to date means a person has received all recommended COVID-19 vaccines, including any booster dose(s) when eligible.

i couldn't quickly find something saying Abrahams has been vaccinated and boosted but i did find something saying she's vaccinated and also stuff saying she's involved in outreach efforts to get other Black people vaccinated. If I had to bet I'd bet she's up to date on her vaccinations and is following CDC recommendations in that picture.

Of course, it's easy for an extremely biased entity like Hot Air to take a shot like that and create a quick impression that all of the rational context in the world won't change with the people who are already inclined not to like Democrats.

What people like you do not understand is that the school she was visiting has the strictest mask mandates of any school in the state. Of the 50+ people in that picture, she was the only one not wearing a mask.

[SeattleGriz]

And NJ has one of the toughest Teacher's Unions in the country.

I hope people have neck braces because the whiplash from the left is going to be epic


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You can never really get to the reasoning, but this seems convenient to me...and part of the backing away from the metrics they used.

The US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is no longer requiring hospital systems to report daily COVID-19 deaths to the federal government.

[Ibanez]

All other things aside, the author shows their own ignorance in making this statement:



I don't know what it is going to take to make so many of the anti-mask people understand that the primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHER people in case you are infected and don't know it.

I think it would have been wise for her to wear a mask for PR purposes, but the current CDC recommendation is this:



CDC defines "up to date" as follows:



i couldn't quickly find something saying Abrahams has been vaccinated and boosted but i did find something saying she's vaccinated and also stuff saying she's involved in outreach efforts to get other Black people vaccinated. If I had to bet I'd bet she's up to date on her vaccinations and is following CDC recommendations in that picture.

Of course, it's easy for an extremely biased entity like Hot Air to take a shot like that and create a quick impression that all of the rational context in the world won't change with the people who are already inclined not to like Democrats.

What people like you do not understand is that the school she was visiting has the strictest mask mandates of any school in the state. Of the 50+ people in that picture, she was the only one not wearing a mask.

And then she tried to delete the picture. If you're going to lecture others on mask mandates you damn well better abide by them. Full Stop.

[SeattleGriz]

What people like you do not understand is that the school she was visiting has the strictest mask mandates of any school in the state. Of the 50+ people in that picture, she was the only one not wearing a mask.

And then she tried to delete the picture. If you're going to lecture others on mask mandates you damn well better abide by them. Full Stop.

Not to mention she is a prototypical super spreader!

[Ivytalk]

And then she tried to delete the picture. If you're going to lecture others on mask mandates you damn well better abide by them. Full Stop.

Not to mention she is a prototypical super spreader!

Those gap teeth alone would infect thousands.