Coronavirus COVID-19

[UNI88]

I’m wondering if these blue state governors are following the science in moving away from school mask mandates.

I mean, it can’t possibly be politics can it? How many MAGA voters to the NJ and OR governors have to deal with anyway? We all know its just the MAGAtards, right?

So they must be following the science?

So confuddling!

Eastern and southern OR are much more conservative then Portland, the Willamette Valley and the northern coast. The governor can't run again but she is probably concerned about Democratic candidates losing moderate voters.

[Ivytalk]

Never heard this angle before. Makes cents (sic).

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. is an American environmental lawyer, author, conspiracy theorist and anti-vaccine propagandist. Kennedy is a son of U.S. senator Robert F. Kennedy and a nephew of President John F. Kennedy. Wikipedia

Bobby Junior was one of the biggest assholes I met in college. Perpetually stoned; banged at our dorm entry doorway at midnight every night because he lost his key the second week of class; kept an unmilked rattlesnake in his dorm that panicked a box of live mice who chewed their way out of a box and freaked out his girlfriend (I helped his roomie sweep the mice into his bathroom for Bobby to deal with). Total jerk. And his mother Ethel was one fierce woman.

[SeattleGriz]

It's the truth. I've actually said this multiple times in this thread. You get the children's vaccine approved, the whole batch gets the immunity shield like every other vaccine that is approved under those circumstances. The liability shield has been around forever.

It's why we have a vaccine injury court run by the government. You get harmed, you must goes through the court to get compensation. You do not get to sue the pharma company.

Don't know if it's true, but that's why many question why you can't find Comirnaty in the US anywhere. Some believe Pfizer is waiting for that immunity shield.

What do you mean by you can't find Comirnaty in the US? That's literally the FDA approved Pfizer vaccine. It was called Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine but is now marketed as Comirnaty since it's FDA Approved.

Anyone saying Comirnaty isn't available in the US isn't using any brain cells b/c that's merely the brand name of the vaccine that has been around since December 2020.

They are legally distinct. There are no bottles with the actual Comirnaty label that have been shipped to America last I read. Pfizer had mentioned it wanted to clear out inventory when questioned.

[Ibanez]

What do you mean by you can't find Comirnaty in the US? That's literally the FDA approved Pfizer vaccine. It was called Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine but is now marketed as Comirnaty since it's FDA Approved.

Anyone saying Comirnaty isn't available in the US isn't using any brain cells b/c that's merely the brand name of the vaccine that has been around since December 2020.

They are legally distinct. There are no bottles with the actual Comirnaty label that have been shipped to America last I read. Pfizer had mentioned it wanted to clear out inventory when questioned.

Yes, one is the name before FDA approval and the other is the name after FDA Approval. Aside from that, it's the same vaccine. I'm not sure of the endgame when people say you can't find Comirnaty in the US. Cause distrust? Or they're just too stupid and lazy to do a Google Search and find the answer (it's probably both to varying degrees.)

It's like Aunt Jemima and Pearl Milling Co....

[SeattleGriz]

They are legally distinct. There are no bottles with the actual Comirnaty label that have been shipped to America last I read. Pfizer had mentioned it wanted to clear out inventory when questioned.

Yes, one is the name before FDA approval and the other is the name after FDA Approval. Aside from that, it's the same vaccine. I'm not sure of the endgame when people say you can't find Comirnaty in the US. Cause distrust? Or they're just too stupid and lazy to do a Google Search and find the answer (it's probably both to varying degrees.)

It's like Aunt Jemima and Pearl Milling Co....

The end game is supposed to be that the currently available vaccine has liability protection under the EUA. As Comirnaty does not have the liability protection, why would you put it in use, especially if you have existing inventory?

If Pfizer can get the children's vaccine approved, it then moves everything under the Comirnaty name under the regular form of liability protection.

The last I read, and that was a couple of months ago, the Pfizer spokesman said there wasn't any available in the US.

Just tying the conspiracy into a nice bow for you. I haven't really followed this one too closely.

Now I'm going to ask to see a bottle at my local Rite Aid. The place with the shitty Debit cards!

[Ibanez]

Yes, one is the name before FDA approval and the other is the name after FDA Approval. Aside from that, it's the same vaccine. I'm not sure of the endgame when people say you can't find Comirnaty in the US. Cause distrust? Or they're just too stupid and lazy to do a Google Search and find the answer (it's probably both to varying degrees.)

It's like Aunt Jemima and Pearl Milling Co....

The end game is supposed to be that the currently available vaccine has liability protection under the EUA. As Comirnaty does not have the liability protection, why would you put it in use, especially if you have existing inventory?

If Pfizer can get the children's vaccine approved, it then moves everything under the Comirnaty name under the regular form of liability protection.

The last I read, and that was a couple of months ago, the Pfizer spokesman said there wasn't any available in the US.

Just tying the conspiracy into a nice bow for you. I haven't really followed this one too closely.

Now I'm going to ask to see a bottle at my local Rite Aid. The place with the shitty Debit cards!

Yeah - that isn't accurate. Took me less than 5 minutes to come across the following

The vaccine must be authorized, approved, or licensed by the FDA;

https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/ ... repqa.aspx

Liability immunity under the PREP Act applies to both licensed and authorized COVID-19 vaccines and thus generally applies in the
same manner to both Comirnaty and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46913

Most of those BS conspiracies can be debunked with a few minutes of research.

[CID1990]

That dam keeps on breaking. Look at the Dems in the Virginia Senate jumping on board to codify the school mask requirements out of existence...

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... aw-n447182

[BDKJMU]

We're sitting on a whole thread of all your "correct" statements. Essentially you've toed the company line and as we can all see, it failed and caused a huge amount of damage.

If we'd have just followed the science from all our past pandemic lessons, we'd be much better off.

We'd be a lot better off if we had followed the science but that would mean getting rid of the misinformation problem fostered by people doing the kind of things you do. When I look at stuff I take an objective approach. I also look at how the authors of given paper on a study interpret their own paper. I don't do things like...say...interpret a table in a report in a way the authors of the report say not to interpret it.

This latest exchange started with a scientist in a Wall Street Journal editorial saying a study showed natural immunity to be more effective. I could not see the whole editorial but, in the part I could see, he focused on one finding. I did not see a mention of the fact that during one period the vaccines were more effective and during another period natural immunity was more effective. I did not see a mention of the fact that the authors emphasized the point that the results could not be projected to Omicron and other variants and did not capture the effect of boosters. I think it's reasonable and correct to say that, at this point, following the vaccine recommendations means you get a booster.

In that regard I looked for stuff on whether we know anything about vaccine effectiveness vs. natural immunity with Omicron. i found references and links to the study described at https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220 ... iants.aspx. i picked that page because it's Columbia University describing a study where one of the investigators is a Columbia University staffer. A quote;

Antibodies from people double-vaccinated with any of the four most widely used vaccines—Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson—were significantly less effective at neutralizing the omicron variant compared to the ancestral virus. Antibodies from previously infected individuals were even less likely to neutralize omicron.

Individuals who received a booster shot of either of the two mRNA vaccines are likely to be better protected, although even their antibodies exhibited diminished neutralizing activity against omicron.

I think it's fair to interpret that as meaning the study suggests the levels of protection for each of three circumstances, ranked from most protection to least, are 1) boosted, 2) fully vaccinated but not boosted, 3) previous infection. That's lab stuff and not a study on case occurrences. But that's what it suggests. We'll see what happens when we start seeing case control studies and such.

The article at https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220 ... iants.aspx references a study with a similar bottom line. A quote:

A study to be published in the journal Nature has demonstrated that antibodies induced by two-dose coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccination or natural infection exhibit very low neutralizing activity against the omicron variant of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). However, individuals immunized with three vaccine doses, or COVID-19 recovered patients with double or triple vaccination, exhibit considerable protection against the variant.

Same thing. They looked at antibody activity, not epidemiology numbers. We'll see what happens when they look at epi numbers.

Look, I don't really care if natural immunity or vaccination provides better protection. But, given that the vaccination recommendation now is to be boosted, the body of research and data do not support the blanket statement that natural immunity provides better protection. Also, getting vaccinated is clearly the smartest path to take and we'd all be better off if everybody followed the vaccination recommendations. We'd have a lot fewer cases and deaths. We'd have a lot fewer infections. People say "vaccination doesn't prevent infection." It does. It does not prevent ALL infections. But it prevents a substantial proportion of them. We should be looking at every factor we can deploy to reduce transmission probability.

My expectation is that vaccination will have to be boosted periodically, It's not a one and done or two and done shot. Also, SARS-CoV-2 continues to mutate to evade both natural immunity and vaccination. So it's a battle. One that hopefully will become easier if and when a pan-Coronavirus vaccine is developed (see https://www.health.mil/News/Articles/20 ... ws-Promise).

[Ibanez]

That dam keeps on breaking. Look at the Dems in the Virginia Senate jumping on board to codify the school mask requirements out of existence...

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... aw-n447182

Idiots.

[SDHornet]

That dam keeps on breaking. Look at the Dems in the Virginia Senate jumping on board to codify the school mask requirements out of existence...

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... aw-n447182

The regime is scared.

[UNI88]

That dam keeps on breaking. Look at the Dems in the Virginia Senate jumping on board to codify the school mask requirements out of existence...

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/ ... aw-n447182

[BDKJMU]

Follow the $$$
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/08/covid-p ... -2021.html

[Gil Dobie]

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. is an American environmental lawyer, author, conspiracy theorist and anti-vaccine propagandist. Kennedy is a son of U.S. senator Robert F. Kennedy and a nephew of President John F. Kennedy. Wikipedia

Bobby Junior was one of the biggest assholes I met in college. Perpetually stoned; banged at our dorm entry doorway at midnight every night because he lost his key the second week of class; kept an unmilked rattlesnake in his dorm that panicked a box of live mice who chewed their way out of a box and freaked out his girlfriend (I helped his roomie sweep the mice into his bathroom for Bobby to deal with). Total jerk. And his mother Ethel was one fierce woman.

Should write a book on your time a Harvard. Bobby Jr chapter would be interesting.

[CID1990]

Aaand that dam just keeps on a-breakin

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... g-n1288840

Over/under on how long it takes the CDC to adjust its guidance so it matches up better with what blue state governors are doing, and what the White House is about to do?

Heck, I said this summer earlier but I may have to move it up


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[Ibanez]

Aaand that dam just keeps on a-breakin

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... g-n1288840

Over/under on how long it takes the CDC to adjust its guidance so it matches up better with what blue state governors are doing, and what the White House is about to do?

Heck, I said this summer earlier but I may have to move it up


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They should be touting these mandate endings as wins.

[CID1990]

Aaand that dam just keeps on a-breakin

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... g-n1288840

Over/under on how long it takes the CDC to adjust its guidance so it matches up better with what blue state governors are doing, and what the White House is about to do?

Heck, I said this summer earlier but I may have to move it up


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They should be touting these mandate endings as wins.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they most certainly will

Like I said, brace yourself for whiplash

We’re gonna go from pandemic fear porn school masking terrorist parents …. to Mission Accomplished in just a matter of weeks


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[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota is doing so good, they have -26,000 active cases.

[SeattleGriz]

They should be touting these mandate endings as wins.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they most certainly will

Like I said, brace yourself for whiplash

We’re gonna go from pandemic fear porn school masking terrorist parents …. to Mission Accomplished in just a matter of weeks


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I love how nothing has turned out the way Biden campaigned, but yet he's full of victories!

[AZGrizFan]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they most certainly will

Like I said, brace yourself for whiplash

We’re gonna go from pandemic fear porn school masking terrorist parents …. to Mission Accomplished in just a matter of weeks


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I love how nothing has turned out the way Biden campaigned, but yet he's full of victories!

And it's a goddamned Christmas miracle that California and other blue states are ending their mask mandates and social distancing requirements riiiiiiiiiiiiiight about the time the Super Bowl is to be played....where, you may ask? Why, California.

What a coinkidink.

[89Hen]

Thank you Joe Biden for leading us out of this pandemic!

[SDHornet]

More Great Pivot comedy. And these "mask mandates" being lifted are meaningless. We want the real "normal" back. Fuck these people.

[SDHornet]

[SeattleGriz]

The perfect summary of the current Covid narrative.

[BDKJMU]

Victory for Youngkin..
https://news.yahoo.com/top-virginia-cou ... 20486.html

[AZGrizFan]

We are witnessing a global awakening in real time. People are starting to take back their countries.