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Biden being a racist piece of shit in action.

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SDHornet wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:05 pm Biden being a racist piece of shit in action.

Biden opposed busing in DE and sent all his kids to private schools. He then used the “articulate and bright and clean” descriptor for Obama. He’s as big a racial hypocrite as they come.
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Ivytalk wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:30 pm
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:05 pm
According to https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=709&t=6


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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:47 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:52 am

What would oil and heating oil and natural gas look like if we were still energy independent? And see ^^^^ above email for my response to the supply chain issues.
1) Were we really truly independent? That means zero imports. You're talking about reducing our imports. I don't believe it's that simple.
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2) Supply Chain - Blame the Gov's all you want and their policies. That isn't Biden. :lol: There were some actions the President could have taken to help get the ships emptied but on the whole, that problem was exacerbated by increased spending and state regulations, which I mentioned.
1. I never said zero imports. Those are YOUR words. We produced more than we used. Your quote confirms my position.

2. Yes, I already said it was states who initially fucked it up. So Biden/Feds can override and mandate crap related to covid, but not to fix immediate and continuing supply chain issues? Perhaps if Buttplug had been doing his job instead of home canoodling with his husband we might have had some movement and not gotten the chain so fucked up it’s going to take months to unwind and get back to normal (if ever).
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:52 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:47 am

1) Were we really truly independent? That means zero imports. You're talking about reducing our imports. I don't believe it's that simple.


https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us- ... xports.php

2) Supply Chain - Blame the Gov's all you want and their policies. That isn't Biden. :lol: There were some actions the President could have taken to help get the ships emptied but on the whole, that problem was exacerbated by increased spending and state regulations, which I mentioned.
1. I never said zero imports. Those are YOUR words. We produced more than we used. Your quote confirms my position.

2. Yes, I already said it was states who initially fucked it up. So Biden/Feds can override and mandate crap related to covid, but not to fix immediate and continuing supply chain issues? Perhaps if Buttplug had been doing his job instead of home canoodling with his husband we might have had some movement and not gotten the chain so fucked up it’s going to take months to unwind and get back to normal (if ever).
One would think that if we were independent, then we didn't need imports. We may be splitting hairs on that.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:01 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:52 am

1. I never said zero imports. Those are YOUR words. We produced more than we used. Your quote confirms my position.

2. Yes, I already said it was states who initially fucked it up. So Biden/Feds can override and mandate crap related to covid, but not to fix immediate and continuing supply chain issues? Perhaps if Buttplug had been doing his job instead of home canoodling with his husband we might have had some movement and not gotten the chain so fucked up it’s going to take months to unwind and get back to normal (if ever).
One would think that if we were independent, then we didn't need imports. We may be splitting hairs on that.
YOU are splitting hairs. You can be energy independent and still import if it’s cheaper, or for any other number of reasons.
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Ivytalk wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:53 am
SDHornet wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:05 pm Biden being a racist piece of shit in action.

Biden opposed busing in DE and sent all his kids to private schools. He then used the “articulate and bright and clean” descriptor for Obama. He’s as big a racial hypocrite as they come.
Not a racial hypocrite, but a racist through and through.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:38 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:03 pm

:rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
True, the supply chain disruptions would still have been there. But I think inflation would have been less without that 3rd round of so called Covid relief passed. An additional 1.9 trillion of funny $$. enhanced, extended unemployment extended further (which continued to artificially drive up labor costs). More stimulus check $$ chasing not enough goods and services..Maybe instead of 7% we have 4-5%…
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm
Ibanez wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:01 pm
One would think that if we were independent, then we didn't need imports. We may be splitting hairs on that.
YOU are splitting hairs. You can be energy independent and still import if it’s cheaper, or for any other number of reasons.
Independence means you are self-reliant. Can you honestly say that America is self-reliant WRT to energy?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm
Ibanez wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:01 pm
One would think that if we were independent, then we didn't need imports. We may be splitting hairs on that.
YOU are splitting hairs. You can be energy independent and still import if it’s cheaper, or for any other number of reasons.
:nod: :nod:
One reason is the type of crude oil that is produced in different regions. Light, sweet crude vs. heavy, sour crude. The US refineries are equipped to process both but with refining capacity pushed to the limit, it's sometimes more productive to run both at the same time to meet demand. This would require importing the heavy, sour crude.

So the importing of oil is more often about the type of oil, and often dictated by the refining capacity.

Olive oil should always be imported. :kisswink: :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm YOU are splitting hairs. You can be energy independent and still import if it’s cheaper, or for any other number of reasons.
Independence means you are self-reliant. Can you honestly say that America is self-reliant WRT to energy?
Up until shortly after Biden took office, we were a net exporter of oil and gas. It was the first time in some lengthy period of time, I’m not looking it up this morning.

We will always import some types of oil for various reasons - we have the full spectrum of refining capabilities but there are some types of oil that are only produced in other parts of the world as Flaggy said. There are also some strategic reasons for maintaining supply lines so that producers like Nigeria don’t flounder.

But until very recently, we were “independent” in the sense that we were able to produce enough to cover our own needs, independently of OPEC. It’s ironic - whatever largesse Trump showered on the Saudis (like looking the other way while Bin Salman murdered a dissident journo abroad)… Biden has been significantly better for the House of Saud’s bottom line.


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CID1990 wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:34 am
Ibanez wrote:
Independence means you are self-reliant. Can you honestly say that America is self-reliant WRT to energy?
Up until shortly after Biden took office, we were a net exporter of oil and gas. It was the first time in some lengthy period of time, I’m not looking it up this morning.

We will always import some types of oil for various reasons - we have the full spectrum of refining capabilities but there are some types of oil that are only produced in other parts of the world as Flaggy said. There are also some strategic reasons for maintaining supply lines so that producers like Nigeria don’t flounder.

But until very recently, we were “independent” in the sense that we were able to produce enough to cover our own needs, independently of OPEC. It’s ironic - whatever largesse Trump showered on the Saudis (like looking the other way while Bin Salman murdered a dissident journo abroad)… Biden has been significantly better for the House of Saud’s bottom line.


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I think it was the first time since the late 1950s. We're still the #1 exporter of oil. Halting the Keystone Pipeline was a bad decision and that certainly didn't help. I'm all for smart environmental policies but in today's world we are so regulated and there are studies upon studies upon studies before projects like that even get approval. We can safely complete projects and pay the right of way rights to the natives.

I think we need to be on the same page about what it means to be independent. Can we cover ourselves so that any change in OPEC output/prices doesn't affect us? I honestly don't know - simply asking questions.

And we usually only talk about energy independence in terms of oil but forget about all other types. I'm admittedly ignorant of our import/export levels with coal, natural gas, etc...

Moving away from coal toward nuclear energy would be a start.

On Wednesday, however, scientists working in the United Kingdom announced that they more than doubled the previous record for generating and sustaining nuclear fusion, which is the same process that allows the sun and stars to shine so brightly.

ITER's aim is to produce a tenfold return on energy, or 500 MW of fusion power from 50 MW of fuel put in.
While the results are promising, mastering nuclear fusion as an everyday energy source is still likely a long way off.
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CAA Flagship wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:08 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm

YOU are splitting hairs. You can be energy independent and still import if it’s cheaper, or for any other number of reasons.
:nod: :nod:
One reason is the type of crude oil that is produced in different regions. Light, sweet crude vs. heavy, sour crude. The US refineries are equipped to process both but with refining capacity pushed to the limit, it's sometimes more productive to run both at the same time to meet demand. This would require importing the heavy, sour crude.

So the importing of oil is more often about the type of oil, and often dictated by the refining capacity.

Olive oil should always be imported. :kisswink: :coffee:
Plus I'd be fine with using up all the REST of the world's oil, and capping our wells to save for when we're the only ones with oil/gas left. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: 8-)
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:31 am

I think we need to be on the same page about what it means to be independent. Can we cover ourselves so that any change in OPEC output/prices doesn't affect us? I honestly don't know - simply asking questions.
I believe that is generally true. As oil price increases the fracking wells become profitable and start pumping. When oil prices dropped they would cap the fracked wells but not pump. There were stories about how the Saudis/OPEC started overproducing to lower the price in the hopes that they would bankrupt the frackers but it didn't work. OPEC can still exert some influence but they don't have us by the balls like they used to.

And we've become a huge exporter of natural gas. That's part of the battle over the Russian pipeline to Germany. Germany would rather pay the Russians than pay the US exporters for higher priced natural gas that's delivered by ship.
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SDHornet wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:54 pm
Ivytalk wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:53 am

Biden opposed busing in DE and sent all his kids to private schools. He then used the “articulate and bright and clean” descriptor for Obama. He’s as big a racial hypocrite as they come.
Not a racial hypocrite, but a racist through and through.
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SDHornet wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:05 pm Biden being a racist piece of shit in action.

I assume Hunter will get a shipment of crack pipes, too..
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:15 am Plus I'd be fine with using up all the REST of the world's oil, and capping our wells to save for when we're the only ones with oil/gas left. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: 8-)
I just said this to my parents and they grew concerned that I had lost my mind. Why is being the last one with poker chips a bad thing?
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bobbythekidd wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:54 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:15 am Plus I'd be fine with using up all the REST of the world's oil, and capping our wells to save for when we're the only ones with oil/gas left. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: 8-)
I just said this to my parents and they grew concerned that I had lost my mind. Why is being the last one with poker chips a bad thing?
Not sure, Bobby. Seems like a no brainer to me. :nod:
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JSO: but Trump something something..
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:55 pm
bobbythekidd wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:54 pm

I just said this to my parents and they grew concerned that I had lost my mind. Why is being the last one with poker chips a bad thing?
Not sure, Bobby. Seems like a no brained to me. :nod:
A couple of things we need to unpack here:
1. It's Bob dammit.
2. They would make a red-assed baboon embarrassed that he was only red in the ass.
3. They were concerned that it would drive up gas prices (domestically). My mom has had her new car for 27 months and driven less than 7,000 miles.
4. They are well enough off that the price of gas is of no concern for any reason.
5. They would rather use American oil for their cars than, "that foreign oil." (Yes, Mom said that. Like the dinosaur had an allegiance)
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bobbythekidd wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:08 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:55 pm

Not sure, Bobby. Seems like a no brained to me. :nod:
A couple of things we need to unpack here:
1. It's Bob dammit.
2. They would make a red-assed baboon embarrassed that he was only red in the ass.
3. They were concerned that it would drive up gas prices (domestically). My mom has had her new car for 27 months and driven less than 7,000 miles.
4. They are well enough off that the price of gas is of no concern for any reason.
5. They would rather use American oil for their cars than, "that foreign oil." (Yes, Mom said that. Like the dinosaur had an allegiance)
:lol: :lol: Well…..to be fair, you don’t KNOW if it did or didn’t….
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 pm
JSO: but Trump something something..
JSO to drop in and claim these polls are wrong in 3...2...1...
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SDHornet wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:06 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 pm
JSO: but Trump something something..
JSO to drop in and claim these polls are wrong in 3...2...1...
Not. As I have said before, I do not change my view on whether polls are accurate or not based on whether they indicate what I wish were true or not. There is no question that Biden is way under water on job approval right now.

I don't think he should be as far down as he is. I think he is getting the blame for inflation when it's not due to anything he did, for example. But I understand that that's how it works. The person in the President's position gets the credit or the blame regardless of whether they "cause" something or not.

I also think the country is way better off right now than it was on the day he took office. I think there are way too may people who don't realize that. I would not say he "caused" us having unprecedented job growth and the best GDP performance in 37 years for 2021. But it's interesting to me that people appear not to even notice those things. I do think we are back to having a professional government that does not have to worry about being constantly interfered with by a corrupt nut job and we are at least TRYING to take a scientific approach to the pandemic.

But it is what it is. For whatever reason, he is way underwater on job approval.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:35 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:54 pm

Not a racial hypocrite, but a racist through and through.
The idea that they were providing or funding distribution of pipes for smoking anything isn't mostly false. It's completely false.

This is another example of the real "fake news" problem we have. It isn't with the mainstream media. The mainstream media may have a liberal bias because the majority of people in it or liberal and it may impact their work. But they are trying to be honest. Not so with the "conservative" media.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2UM2KF
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