The Ukraine Crisis

[Ibanez]

No, it doesnt debunk any myths.

Yes it does. You just don't want to accept the reality because you've bought into the myth. Yes, Conservatives and Republicans get challenged more. But that is because, at this time in history, they lie more.

The incompetence of the Biden administration is so glaring… so IN YOUR FACE blatant that traditional outlets have no choice but to start asking questions.

I don't know where the Biden Administration ranks in terms of competence but it certainly ranks ahead of the Trump Administration.

And keep in mind- this is the AP… with a seasoned actual journalist. Not CNN, not NBC, not even CBS is drilling this down. This AP guy is older and has been covering State Dept pressers for like 20 years. He is anything but “mainstream media”

The AP guys is mainstream media. AP is as mainstream media as mainstream media gets. I do not classify CNN as mainstream media. They are closer to that than Fox News is. But they clearly have significant bias.

As an FYI, by the source i use, AP is a "least biased" entity with a "very high" factual reporting rating. But it is CLEARLY part of the mainstream media.

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You’re being intellectually dishonest. Plain and simple


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[Ivytalk]

Now people are talking about a “new kind of war,” with Vlad launching cyberattacks and hypersonic weapons against Ukraine. Hypersonic technology is yet another area where we are light years behind the Russkies and the Red Chinese.

[AZGrizFan]

Now people are talking about a “new kind of war,” with Vlad launching cyberattacks and hypersonic weapons against Ukraine. Hypersonic technology is yet another area where we are light years behind the Russkies and the Red Chinese.

Question: Did you know we had a “MOAB” until we used one?

I guarantee you we are not as far behind as the general public might think (if we’re behind at all).

[Ibanez]

Now people are talking about a “new kind of war,” with Vlad launching cyberattacks and hypersonic weapons against Ukraine. Hypersonic technology is yet another area where we are light years behind the Russkies and the Red Chinese.

Question: Did you know we had a “MOAB” until we used one?

I guarantee you we are not as far behind as the general public might think (if we’re behind at all).

This...there's still a lot of stuff that we're capable of that the public isn't aware of. I know a few of the projects I was on aren't public record. Lord knows PRISM wasn't until Snowden leaked it.


Dark Eagle

[Ivytalk]

Now people are talking about a “new kind of war,” with Vlad launching cyberattacks and hypersonic weapons against Ukraine. Hypersonic technology is yet another area where we are light years behind the Russkies and the Red Chinese.

Question: Did you know we had a “MOAB” until we used one?

I guarantee you we are not as far behind as the general public might think (if we’re behind at all).

We’re playing catch-up on hypersonic weapons, Z.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... Xw-FlXoB58

[CID1990]

Now people are talking about a “new kind of war,” with Vlad launching cyberattacks and hypersonic weapons against Ukraine. Hypersonic technology is yet another area where we are light years behind the Russkies and the Red Chinese.

Question: Did you know we had a “MOAB” until we used one?

I guarantee you we are not as far behind as the general public might think (if we’re behind at all).

We are.

Way behind

Edit: also way behind in quantum. And 5th gen fighter tech (big surprises coming there)


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[houndawg]

Last fall I watched a satellite make a 90 degree turn from west to north. We have cards we haven't shown - and the Pentagon has a lot of money "missing"

[CAA Flagship]

PBS is reporting that Putin has decided to invade Ukraine.

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[SDHornet]

I'm sure the intel isn't shoddy on this one bit.

[kalm]

Taking this with a grain of salt…but damn…


2/ That fact is etched in the hard granite of human history since before its first memory was recorded on a cave wall. Vladimir Putin is a Russian nationalist who believes the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century wasn’t the Second World War which killed upwards of
3/ 40 million Russians or the horrors of Soviet totalitarianism that killed tens of millions more. He believes the collapse of the Soviet Union was the preeminent human catastrophe of the last 100 years. The functional borders of modern
4/ Europe, drawn after Allied victory in 1945, collapsed beginning in 1989 when the captive nations of Eastern Europe, yoked to Russia, threw off the Soviet Jack Boot. Russian losses in the Second World War and the suffering
5/ beggar belief. Functionally, for the duration of the Cold War, the Russians were able to move their border a thousand miles West from what it had been on the morning Hitler invaded.
6/ The end of the Cold War moved that border back towards Moscow and then some. Are spheres of influence real? They are. The United States and Dwight Eisenhower understood this in 1945 when Pattons’ Army was stopped on the Czech frontier. This was understood in Hungary in 1956
7/ and Prague in 1968. The Soviet’s understood their ambitions would be checked at the border of NATO which began in West Berlin

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492 ... dVlkFjRWl8

[AZGrizFan]

Taking this with a grain of salt…but damn…


2/ That fact is etched in the hard granite of human history since before its first memory was recorded on a cave wall. Vladimir Putin is a Russian nationalist who believes the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century wasn’t the Second World War which killed upwards of
3/ 40 million Russians or the horrors of Soviet totalitarianism that killed tens of millions more. He believes the collapse of the Soviet Union was the preeminent human catastrophe of the last 100 years. The functional borders of modern
4/ Europe, drawn after Allied victory in 1945, collapsed beginning in 1989 when the captive nations of Eastern Europe, yoked to Russia, threw off the Soviet Jack Boot. Russian losses in the Second World War and the suffering
5/ beggar belief. Functionally, for the duration of the Cold War, the Russians were able to move their border a thousand miles West from what it had been on the morning Hitler invaded.
6/ The end of the Cold War moved that border back towards Moscow and then some. Are spheres of influence real? They are. The United States and Dwight Eisenhower understood this in 1945 when Pattons’ Army was stopped on the Czech frontier. This was understood in Hungary in 1956
7/ and Prague in 1968. The Soviet’s understood their ambitions would be checked at the border of NATO which began in West Berlin

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492 ... dVlkFjRWl8

Well I hate to say it but he’s somewhat right. If this succeeds, Putin ain’t stopping at Ukraine. Exactly how long will the world stand idly by? We’re staring down the throat of WWIII right about now….just a matter of when Putin fires the first shot and how the rest of the world reacts.

[kalm]

Taking this with a grain of salt…but damn…


2/ That fact is etched in the hard granite of human history since before its first memory was recorded on a cave wall. Vladimir Putin is a Russian nationalist who believes the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century wasn’t the Second World War which killed upwards of
3/ 40 million Russians or the horrors of Soviet totalitarianism that killed tens of millions more. He believes the collapse of the Soviet Union was the preeminent human catastrophe of the last 100 years. The functional borders of modern
4/ Europe, drawn after Allied victory in 1945, collapsed beginning in 1989 when the captive nations of Eastern Europe, yoked to Russia, threw off the Soviet Jack Boot. Russian losses in the Second World War and the suffering
5/ beggar belief. Functionally, for the duration of the Cold War, the Russians were able to move their border a thousand miles West from what it had been on the morning Hitler invaded.
6/ The end of the Cold War moved that border back towards Moscow and then some. Are spheres of influence real? They are. The United States and Dwight Eisenhower understood this in 1945 when Pattons’ Army was stopped on the Czech frontier. This was understood in Hungary in 1956
7/ and Prague in 1968. The Soviet’s understood their ambitions would be checked at the border of NATO which began in West Berlin

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492 ... dVlkFjRWl8

Well I hate to say it but he’s somewhat right. If this succeeds, Putin ain’t stopping at Ukraine. Exactly how long will the world stand idly by? We’re staring down the throat of WWIII right about now….just a matter of when Putin fires the first shot and how the rest of the world reacts.

Yep. Loads of moving parts.

[AZGrizFan]

Well I hate to say it but he’s somewhat right. If this succeeds, Putin ain’t stopping at Ukraine. Exactly how long will the world stand idly by? We’re staring down the throat of WWIII right about now….just a matter of when Putin fires the first shot and how the rest of the world reacts.

Yep. Loads of moving parts.

What astounds me is the rest of the world seriously considering the same approach that was taken with Hitler…led by Brandon’s brilliant statement of ”if it’s just a minor incursion, well that’s different…”

And just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a coincidence he waited until there was a weak US President. He took the Crimean peninsula when Obama was president, after Obama attempted to bluff Syria and those proved to be empty threats. He did nothing during Trump’s presidency (because he came across as unhinged, likely ), but now with Biden he saw an immediate opening. And he’ll take it.

[BDKJMU]

Taking this with a grain of salt…but damn…


2/ That fact is etched in the hard granite of human history since before its first memory was recorded on a cave wall. Vladimir Putin is a Russian nationalist who believes the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century wasn’t the Second World War which killed upwards of
3/ 40 million Russians or the horrors of Soviet totalitarianism that killed tens of millions more. He believes the collapse of the Soviet Union was the preeminent human catastrophe of the last 100 years. The functional borders of modern
4/ Europe, drawn after Allied victory in 1945, collapsed beginning in 1989 when the captive nations of Eastern Europe, yoked to Russia, threw off the Soviet Jack Boot. Russian losses in the Second World War and the suffering
5/ beggar belief. Functionally, for the duration of the Cold War, the Russians were able to move their border a thousand miles West from what it had been on the morning Hitler invaded.
6/ The end of the Cold War moved that border back towards Moscow and then some. Are spheres of influence real? They are. The United States and Dwight Eisenhower understood this in 1945 when Pattons’ Army was stopped on the Czech frontier. This was understood in Hungary in 1956
7/ and Prague in 1968. The Soviet’s understood their ambitions would be checked at the border of NATO which began in West Berlin

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1492 ... dVlkFjRWl8

Well I hate to say it but he’s somewhat right. If this succeeds, Putin ain’t stopping at Ukraine. Exactly how long will the world stand idly by? We’re staring down the throat of WWIII right about now….just a matter of when Putin fires the first shot and how the rest of the world reacts.

Maybe it will just be a minor excursion. Like the Sudentenland in 1938..

[Ibanez]

Well I hate to say it but he’s somewhat right. If this succeeds, Putin ain’t stopping at Ukraine. Exactly how long will the world stand idly by? We’re staring down the throat of WWIII right about now….just a matter of when Putin fires the first shot and how the rest of the world reacts.

Maybe it will just be a minor excursion. Like the Sudentenland in 1938..

They were invited! Punch and pie was served!


130k troops along the border.....you don't do that unless you're either invading. I wouldn't even say intimidating b/c the logistics for 130k people requires tremendous support and coordination.

And now Boris Johnson is planning some tour of Europe to avoid war...? Uh....doesn't this sounds like Munich 1938??


Oh..and have y'all seen the pictures of Ukrainian civilians undergoing weapons training!?

[CID1990]

Every time this thread pops up in my unread queue, the title irritates me.


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[SeattleGriz]

Haven't really been reading this thread, but has anyone else said this sure looks like a manufactured crisis, so Biden can then say it was his strength and diplomacy that prevented Russia from invading Ukraine?

[kalm]

Every time this thread pops up in my unread queue, the title irritates me.


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I don’t recall any “The” in Risk.

[kalm]

Haven't really been reading this thread, but has anyone else said this sure looks like a manufactured crisis, so Biden can then say it was his strength and diplomacy that prevented Russia from invading Ukraine?

So Biden has influenced Putin to move 130k troops to the border?

That’s some next level manufacturing.

[Ibanez]

Every time this thread pops up in my unread queue, the title irritates me.


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Better?

[SeattleGriz]

Haven't really been reading this thread, but has anyone else said this sure looks like a manufactured crisis, so Biden can then say it was his strength and diplomacy that prevented Russia from invading Ukraine?

So Biden has influenced Putin to move 130k troops to the border?

That’s some next level manufacturing.

No. The US isn't even involved with talks are they?

Of course Putin wants something, but it sure looks like Biden is trying to really push his version of the story.

[Ibanez]

So Biden has influenced Putin to move 130k troops to the border?

That’s some next level manufacturing.

No. The US isn't even involved with talks are they?

Of course Putin wants something, but it sure looks like Biden is trying to really push his version of the story.

I think the talks are still on going but they aren't productive. And we really shouldn't be surprised that our government and media push propaganda.

This isn't manufactured HOWEVER the coverage can be tilted towards changing the optics on Biden's administration....forget about COVID and inflation...Biden is dealing with the Ruskies!

[kalm]

So Biden has influenced Putin to move 130k troops to the border?

That’s some next level manufacturing.

No. The US isn't even involved with talks are they?

Of course Putin wants something, but it sure looks like Biden is trying to really push his version of the story.

So we shouldn’t be in talks? You expect Biden to not be pushing his version of the story?

Corporate media pushing war notwithstanding.