The Ukraine Crisis

[Ibanez]

Obviously they're going to say that whether they believe it or not. Duh

So you think its a bluff and Putin won't invade?

He doesn't need to. The West will allow him to take the "Russian" parts of Ukraine. If he takes "too much" then it'll go hot.

And no one outside of the warmongering elites and MIC will give a fuck.

Sudetenland anybody? The 2022 Munich Agreement has already been signed.

[Skjellyfetti]

This may well be the end of the invasion for now. Russian separatists can now just “invite” the Russian military into the Donbas region.


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Depends on who you are. If you're Russia - yes. They were invited in by comrades. If you're the Ukraine or NATO - it's an invasion.

Exactly. And, Ukraine must concede those territories to Russia. If not and the fighting continues, Russia uses it as pretext to sack Kiev and reinstall a puppet.

[houndawg]

Depends on who you are. If you're Russia - yes. They were invited in by comrades. If you're the Ukraine or NATO - it's an invasion.

Exactly. And, Ukraine must concede those territories to Russia. If not and the fighting continues, Russia uses it as pretext to sack Kiev and reinstall a puppet.

Must concede? You don't think they'll fight?

[Ivytalk]

Depends on who you are. If you're Russia - yes. They were invited in by comrades. If you're the Ukraine or NATO - it's an invasion.

Exactly. And, Ukraine must concede those territories to Russia. If not and the fighting continues, Russia uses it as pretext to sack Kiev and reinstall a puppet.

That’s Kyiv, Russia-lover. You must be in your element this week.

[Ivytalk]

And you’ve gotta love Putin’s claim that Ukraine and Russia are one people, one big happy family. Tell that to the four million Ukrainians that Stalin starved to death during forced collectivization in 1932-33.

[Ibanez]

Exactly. And, Ukraine must concede those territories to Russia. If not and the fighting continues, Russia uses it as pretext to sack Kiev and reinstall a puppet.

That’s Kyiv, Russia-lover. You must be in your element this week.

I didn't realize until today that there was a campaign to get the world to call the capital Kyiv. Even in college it was "Kiev." Also didn't realize there was a Ukrainian language.

Apparently, "Kiev" is from the Russian language while "Kyiv" is Ukrainian. It doesn't end there, I believe all Russian-based Ukrainian names are changing to reflect the Ukrainian language. This current crisis has really ratcheted up the use of Kyiv.

The more you know...

[Winterborn]

That’s Kyiv, Russia-lover. You must be in your element this week.

I didn't realize until today that there was a campaign to get the world to call the capital Kyiv. Even in college it was "Kiev." Also didn't realize there was a Ukrainian language.

Apparently, "Kiev" is from the Russian language while "Kyiv" is Ukrainian. It doesn't end there, I believe all Russian-based Ukrainian names are changing to reflect the Ukrainian language. This current crisis has really ratcheted up the use of Kyiv.

The more you know...

It was still Kiev when I was there about 10 years ago. Nice city and would go back (maybe after the dust settles a bit).

[houndawg]

That’s Kyiv, Russia-lover. You must be in your element this week.

I didn't realize until today that there was a campaign to get the world to call the capital Kyiv. Even in college it was "Kiev." Also didn't realize there was a Ukrainian language.

Apparently, "Kiev" is from the Russian language while "Kyiv" is Ukrainian. It doesn't end there, I believe all Russian-based Ukrainian names are changing to reflect the Ukrainian language. This current crisis has really ratcheted up the use of Kyiv.

The more you know...

ELP will need to edit their version of Pictures at an Exhibition

[houndawg]

Depends on who you are. If you're Russia - yes. They were invited in by comrades. If you're the Ukraine or NATO - it's an invasion.

Exactly. And, Ukraine must concede those territories to Russia. If not and the fighting continues, Russia uses it as pretext to sack Kiev and reinstall a puppet.

Everybody be overreacting - SD Hornet says there won't be an invasion. And he might be right. But I think Donnie's Daddy wants to go back to the good old days and that he's willing to pay the economic price to make it happen. How many divisions does NATO have?

[Skjellyfetti]

Exactly. And, Ukraine must concede those territories to Russia. If not and the fighting continues, Russia uses it as pretext to sack Kiev and reinstall a puppet.

Must concede? You don't think they'll fight?

No. I do think they'll fight and so does Russia.

[Skjellyfetti]

Apparently, "Kiev" is from the Russian language while "Kyiv" is Ukrainian. It doesn't end there, I believe all Russian-based Ukrainian names are changing to reflect the Ukrainian language. This current crisis has really ratcheted up the use of Kyiv.

And, it's transliteration... Both are pronounced the same. Ivy might as well insist of using the Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet.

[houndawg]

Must concede? You don't think they'll fight?

No. I do think they'll fight and so does Russia.

Sure be nice if some of those missing trillions from the Pentagon turned out to be next-generation ECMs

[Ivytalk]

Apparently, "Kiev" is from the Russian language while "Kyiv" is Ukrainian. It doesn't end there, I believe all Russian-based Ukrainian names are changing to reflect the Ukrainian language. This current crisis has really ratcheted up the use of Kyiv.

And, it's transliteration... Both are pronounced the same. Ivy might as well insist of using the Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet.

This linguistic issue has been in the news for weeks. You’re not educating anyone here. Try to keep up. So, how’s Anna Kournikova doing?

[Skjellyfetti]

Анна Курникова, please

[CID1990]

This may well be the end of the invasion for now. Russian separatists can now just “invite” the Russian military into the Donbas region.


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Depends on who you are. If you're Russia - yes. They were invited in by comrades. If you're the Ukraine or NATO - it's an invasion.

NATO and the US will protest but they will not characterize it as a kinetic action, and nothing will happen. The White House is already carefully parsing out what they would consider an invasion to be. And Germany will never characterize a military “assist” in Donbas as an invasion.

Putin has gotten exactly what he wants - for now.


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[Ibanez]

Анна Курникова, please

[Winterborn]

I had the opportunity to try and type on a Cyrillic keyboard once. Big emphasis on "try" as there were some weird double keys that kept on throwing me for a loop.

[Ibanez]

And to think, Obama said the 1980s called and wanted their Foreign Policy back.

[CID1990]

And to think, Obama said the 1980s called and wanted their Foreign Policy back.

There’s a compilation video circulating out there showing several politicians and policy officials pooh poohing Romney’s comments on Russia -

Obama just dismissed it with a trademark snarky reply but there Are several people, like Madeline Albright, who go into great unicorny detail about how Romney is completely wrong. It is like a greatest hits of the left being wrong on Russia, which is like a greatest hits of songs Stevie Wonder wrote while he was blind.

But back when Romney said it, I also said he was wrong - Russia was not our number one geopolitical foe. China was, and still is. Russia is a close second.

The proper response to Obama’s dismissal would have been for Romney to ask Obama “if not Russia, then who?”…. because Obama would have flubbed it by not calling out China OR Russia


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[Pwns]

Never gets old.

[Winterborn]

Imagine if Trump would of said "I'll have more flexibility in my second term" to Putin.

Heads would have exploded, teeth ground down to nubs, and entire forest's needed to be harvested just to try to keep up with the anguish that would be generated by such a statement.

[Ibanez]

Imagine if Trump would of said "I'll have more flexibility in my second term" to Putin.

Heads would have exploded, teeth ground down to nubs, and entire forest's needed to be harvested just to try to keep up with the anguish that would be generated by such a statement.

We'd have to bring out a 50x50 vat of smelling salts onto the House and Senate floor for all the lefties.

[Winterborn]

Imagine if Trump would of said "I'll have more flexibility in my second term" to Putin.

Heads would have exploded, teeth ground down to nubs, and entire forest's needed to be harvested just to try to keep up with the anguish that would be generated by such a statement.

We'd have to bring out a 50x50 vat of smelling salts onto the House and Senate floor for all the lefties.

A fan behind Pelosi or Feinstein would also do the trick.

[CID1990]

US Embassy in Kyiv tweetled this out:



I have questions


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[Ibanez]

US Embassy in Kyiv tweetled this out:



I have questions


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I haven't seen it yet but you think someone, somewhere is looking at the Kievan Rus and thinking, " the Russians are actually UKRANIAN!"