Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

Is anyone actually reading all of JSO’s drivel? If so, can someone please give me the cliff notes version?

The short version is that he's taking SG to school.

You probably wouldn't understand the math judging by your response.

You remind me of this guy, houndie….

[Winterborn]

No and fuck you for quoting that shit.

If your thumbs work that’s like a 2 second scroll..

Get the right mouse and it is under a 0.5 second.

Ibanez's post's go by even quicker.

[BDKJMU]

Is anyone actually reading all of JSO’s drivel? If so, can someone please give me the cliff notes version?

The short version is that he's taking SG to school.

[UNI88]

Is anyone actually reading all of JSO’s drivel? If so, can someone please give me the cliff notes version?

No but I imagine he's saying that we should trust Biden and the CDC. Vaccines, masks and the government will protect us.

[SDHornet]

Is anyone actually reading all of JSO’s drivel? If so, can someone please give me the cliff notes version?

No and fuck you for quoting that shit.

This.

[SDHornet]

What a total crock of bullshit. From the very beginning of this thing nobody from the gubmint has said this. They have said, time and time again, that no vaccine is 100% effective. You're trying to fuck a fly's ass over the difference between "none" and "a vanishingly small part of the population". Out of curiousity, what is it that you do in the medical industry? Do you work in a lab?

100% bullshit. ABSOLUTELY people in government have said that.

At first I thought for sure that is just a weak troll attempt...

...but then I realized houndie posted that and he might actually believe it.

[SeattleGriz]

No shit they wane. That's what I've been showing and when it started. Why do you think I started using UK data? Because our CDC has been withholding that same data.

Of course you took a much different stance on the waning and multiple other topics like:

Pandemic of the unvaccinated
Unvaccinated are variant factories
Asymptomatic spread.
Vaccines prevent spread.

Everything big picture you have argued has been on the wrong side of history. You even had the gall to say a professional epidemiologist who designs studies wasn't as good as you.

It is largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated in terms of serious consequences. It is still, as far as I can tell, that achieving a high vaccination rate would reduce the generation of new variants. Note that both the the variants that recently caused problems for us, originated in low-vaccination rate environments. There is Asymptomatic spread and vaccines do reduce the spread rate. They do so by both reducing the rate of infection among those vaccinated and by reducing the risk that a vaccinated person will transmit the disease to others on a per contact basis if they do become infected.

I don't think I said a professional epidemiologist who designs studies is not as good as me. If it's the situation I'm thinking of I just wrote that the credentials of the people who did the study he was criticizing compare favorably to his. I think it was basically a guy with credentials at Cal San Fransisco or something vs. a number of people with credentials at Cal Berkley. I'm also thinking maybe he isn't an epidemiologist per se. But I could be mis-remembering that and I don't want to go through the effort of trying to find the posts on that again.

I also said you can always find plenty of problems with case control studies. I don't think I disagreed with anything he said about some of the weaknesses. I did wonder if the authors included somebody with expertise in adjusting for low response rates.

I always thought the vaccine waning was a good possibility. I was wondering if I'd be able to get a booster as soon as I got my second shot because I was worried about that. To my recollection it was always recognized as a possibility.

On the "Vaccines prevent spread" thing: Vaccination does prevent spread in that it reduces spread below what it would be without vaccination. Whether it reduces spread enough to get the reproductive number below 1 depends on a lot of things. But it does reduce spread. See https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... al%20loads and https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/31/the-new ... finds.html. And those two are just talking about people who are vaccinated and who DO get infected spreading it to others. Vaccination also reduces the risk of being infected to begin with. Not by as much as we'd like with Omicron and Delta. But it does reduce it.

Public Health England says you are wrong. I did what was forbidden. I calculated vaccine effectiveness from the unadjusted case rates and it's horrible. No wonder you didn't want me to do that.

You see Public Health Scotland is discontinuing portions of their report? Same thing. Don't like having bad looking information out there, so they hide it.

[Gil Dobie]

It is largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated in terms of serious consequences. It is still, as far as I can tell, that achieving a high vaccination rate would reduce the generation of new variants. Note that both the the variants that recently caused problems for us, originated in low-vaccination rate environments. There is Asymptomatic spread and vaccines do reduce the spread rate. They do so by both reducing the rate of infection among those vaccinated and by reducing the risk that a vaccinated person will transmit the disease to others on a per contact basis if they do become infected.

I don't think I said a professional epidemiologist who designs studies is not as good as me. If it's the situation I'm thinking of I just wrote that the credentials of the people who did the study he was criticizing compare favorably to his. I think it was basically a guy with credentials at Cal San Fransisco or something vs. a number of people with credentials at Cal Berkley. I'm also thinking maybe he isn't an epidemiologist per se. But I could be mis-remembering that and I don't want to go through the effort of trying to find the posts on that again.

I also said you can always find plenty of problems with case control studies. I don't think I disagreed with anything he said about some of the weaknesses. I did wonder if the authors included somebody with expertise in adjusting for low response rates.

I always thought the vaccine waning was a good possibility. I was wondering if I'd be able to get a booster as soon as I got my second shot because I was worried about that. To my recollection it was always recognized as a possibility.

On the "Vaccines prevent spread" thing: Vaccination does prevent spread in that it reduces spread below what it would be without vaccination. Whether it reduces spread enough to get the reproductive number below 1 depends on a lot of things. But it does reduce spread. See https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... al%20loads and https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/31/the-new ... finds.html. And those two are just talking about people who are vaccinated and who DO get infected spreading it to others. Vaccination also reduces the risk of being infected to begin with. Not by as much as we'd like with Omicron and Delta. But it does reduce it.

Public Health England says you are a huge liar. I did what was forbidden. I calculated vaccine effectiveness from the unadjusted case rates and it's horrible. No wonder you didn't want me to do that.

You see Public Health Scotland is discontinuing portions of their report? Same thing. Don't like having their information disputed, so they remove it, like Klam's man friend, Michael Mann.

The vaccine has worked, cases are going down in all states. Even the liberals are cancelling mandates. Only the elderly may need the 4th booster, because the second one has apparently stopped a lot of the variants from Omicron. They also said the 3 shots will protect people for a long time.

[SDHornet]

Oof.

[houndawg]

The short version is that he's taking SG to school.

You probably wouldn't understand the math judging by your response.

You remind me of this guy, houndie….

he's getting schooled, Z

Aren't people with your job supposed to have some math skills?

[houndawg]

I love how JSO keeps digging the hole he is in deeper and deeper.

Just goes to show home much of a cult Covidians truly are.

yeah, keep it nebulous when you got nothing to challenge his numbers with.

Fucking room full of English majors....

[houndawg]

The short version is that he's taking SG to school.

Show me where his numbers are wrong.

[Gil Dobie]

Oof.

Delta was so 2021.

[Gil Dobie]

First time in a long time that active covid cases are declining in nearly all, if not all states. Future is looking good.

[SeattleGriz]

Show me where his numbers are wrong.

Nice flail. Nobody is disputing numbers houndie, as pretty much everyone is quoting studies listed on preprint servers. What most are pointing out is that old studies, that show things like 95% vaccine effectiveness are obviously out of date, or CDC masking studies that cherry picked data and got called out for it by professionals in the field can't be used to bolster a case.

It's the clinging to the narrative that if we would have simply worn a mask and got a shot this whole thing would be over, is what people are pointing out. That, and promoting false concepts that would have gotten you laughed out of polite company before the pandemic.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

[Gil Dobie]

Show me where his numbers are wrong.

Nice flail. Nobody is disputing numbers houndie, as pretty much everyone is quoting studies listed on preprint servers. What most are pointing out is that old studies, that show things like 95% vaccine effectiveness are obviously out of date, or CDC masking studies that cherry picked data and got called out for it by professionals in the field can't be used to bolster a case.

It's the clinging to the narrative that if we would have simply worn a mask and got a shot this whole thing would be over, is what people are pointing out. That, and promoting false concepts that would have gotten you laughed out of polite company before the pandemic.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Which Vaccine was supposed to be 95% effective? I heard around 90 for Moderna and Pfizer and near 60% for J&J. Anyway, they appear to be working, active cases down all over.

[SeattleGriz]

Nice flail. Nobody is disputing numbers houndie, as pretty much everyone is quoting studies listed on preprint servers. What most are pointing out is that old studies, that show things like 95% vaccine effectiveness are obviously out of date, or CDC masking studies that cherry picked data and got called out for it by professionals in the field can't be used to bolster a case.

It's the clinging to the narrative that if we would have simply worn a mask and got a shot this whole thing would be over, is what people are pointing out. That, and promoting false concepts that would have gotten you laughed out of polite company before the pandemic.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Which Vaccine was supposed to be 95% effective? I heard around 90 for Moderna and Pfizer and near 60% for J&J. Anyway, they appear to be working, active cases down all over.

Pfizer's official trial data was listed at 95% efficacy.

[Gil Dobie]

Which Vaccine was supposed to be 95% effective? I heard around 90 for Moderna and Pfizer and near 60% for J&J. Anyway, they appear to be working, active cases down all over.

Pfizer's official trial data was listed at 95% efficacy.

Link?

A few months later, in February, 2021, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was shown to provide strong protection to recipients in the real world, too; it was 94% effective against symptomatic disease (after two doses of the vaccine) in a study conducted in Israel—and published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

[kalm]

Show me where his numbers are wrong.

Nice flail. Nobody is disputing numbers houndie, as pretty much everyone is quoting studies listed on preprint servers. What most are pointing out is that old studies, that show things like 95% vaccine effectiveness are obviously out of date, or CDC masking studies that cherry picked data and got called out for it by professionals in the field can't be used to bolster a case.

It's the clinging to the narrative that if we would have simply worn a mask and got a shot this whole thing would be over, is what people are pointing out. That, and promoting false concepts that would have gotten you laughed out of polite company before the pandemic.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Speaking of narratives…still desperately clinging to your own, based on what a few people may have said (including the actual leader of our country) as we were still get acquainted with Covid.

Being wrong sometimes is hard.

[SeattleGriz]

Pfizer's official trial data was listed at 95% efficacy.

Link?

A few months later, in February, 2021, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was shown to provide strong protection to recipients in the real world, too; it was 94% effective against symptomatic disease (after two doses of the vaccine) in a study conducted in Israel—and published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... 19-vaccine

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group

[SeattleGriz]

Nice flail. Nobody is disputing numbers houndie, as pretty much everyone is quoting studies listed on preprint servers. What most are pointing out is that old studies, that show things like 95% vaccine effectiveness are obviously out of date, or CDC masking studies that cherry picked data and got called out for it by professionals in the field can't be used to bolster a case.

It's the clinging to the narrative that if we would have simply worn a mask and got a shot this whole thing would be over, is what people are pointing out. That, and promoting false concepts that would have gotten you laughed out of polite company before the pandemic.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Speaking of narratives…still desperately clinging to your own, based on what a few people may have said (including the actual leader of our country) as we were still get acquainted with Covid.

Being wrong sometimes is hard.

What narrative would that be? The one that felt we should have isolated those most susceptible and not been so heavy handed with the lockdowns? That narrative? Or the one that not everyone needed a shot? Or maybe the one where we should have let our medical community actually practice medicine instead of telling them what to do?

[kalm]

Speaking of narratives…still desperately clinging to your own, based on what a few people may have said (including the actual leader of our country) as we were still get acquainted with Covid.

Being wrong sometimes is hard.

What narrative would that be? The one that felt we should have isolated those most susceptible and not been so heavy handed with the lockdowns? That narrative? Or the one that not everyone needed a shot? Or maybe the one where we should have let our medical community actually practice medicine instead of telling them what to do?

You literally created a narrative of what those you disagree with were saying in the post I just quoted.

[Gil Dobie]

Link?

A few months later, in February, 2021, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was shown to provide strong protection to recipients in the real world, too; it was 94% effective against symptomatic disease (after two doses of the vaccine) in a study conducted in Israel—and published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... 19-vaccine

Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group

Thanks for the link, I'm glad the vaccines are working, as the numbers are dropping. Booster is said to protect people for a very long time against variants of Omicron.

[SeattleGriz]

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... 19-vaccine

Thanks for the link, I'm glad the vaccines are working, as the numbers are dropping. Booster is said to protect people for a very long time against variants of Omicron.

Side question. How many people do you think were naturally immune due to seeing enough of Covid's "cousins" in the past?

[Gil Dobie]

Thanks for the link, I'm glad the vaccines are working, as the numbers are dropping. Booster is said to protect people for a very long time against variants of Omicron.

Side question. How many people do you think were naturally immune due to seeing enough of Covid's "cousins" in the past?

Well, my cousin's daughter had Covid twice, so I'm not sure.