The Ukraine Crisis

[SDHornet]

Think Ukraine even makes it to Friday? Will there be a Ukraine by the end of the month?

[Ivytalk]

And so it begins, on all fronts.

By the way, has anyone seen Vidav?

[Skjellyfetti]

Think Ukraine even makes it to Friday? Will there be a Ukraine by the end of the month?

Look how most major occupying invasions have gone.

Russia clearly has a superior military and has put almost all of it forward. But, do they have enough to put down a sustained and supplied insurgency? I doubt it, but we'll see.

[Ivytalk]

Putin has lost it. This is obviously terrible for Ukraine and they are royally fucked. But, there is no way this ends as a positive for Russia either. Absolute senselessness.

But…but…but…Trump will say it’s another “genius” move by Putin.

Jeez, CPAC should be a hoot this weekend.

[Ibanez]

For a guy that harps on intelligence - that is one of the dumbest things you've ever said. You don't tell an adversary it's ok to invade. What sort of message does that send about your strength? What does that say to the Ukrainians? Other countries that Russia might want to bring back into the fold? If ANY country has the right to tell the Russians they can invade, it's the Ukrainians and only them. I didn't read the rest of your post b/c your second sentence and its proposition is asinine.


Haven't we already learned our "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie" lesson from the Nazis and other dictators??

If you give a Putin a break-off region, he's going to want the Ukraine.
If you give a Putin the Ukraine, he's going to want another former Soviet satellite country.

Obviously, the idea is that you are telling them not to invade. It's, "OK you can do that but you're going to be screwed if you do." That's the idea.

Yeah - how's that working out?

[Ibanez]

Well, full scale invasion is apparently on..

Yep. I was wrong. Though Putin would take the part of Ukraine it wants through more of a slowburn infiltration/propaganda style. But I mean the weakest and most mentally frail POTUS in modern history is in power so now's the best time to grab what you want with brute force.

Wonder when China makes its move to eat Taiwan?

And I thought electing Biden was supposed to stop these kinds of actions abroad?

I didn't expect Putin to say he was going in to root out Nazi's...that's a wild leap.

Anyone thinking electing a US president would stop some other world leader from authoritative action is out of their mind. We have influence and power...but that only goes so far. Including under the strongest of presidents.

[Ibanez]

Putin has lost it. This is obviously terrible for Ukraine and they are royally fucked. But, there is no way this ends as a positive for Russia either. Absolute senselessness.

But…but…but…Trump will say it’s another “genius” move by Putin.

Jeez, CPAC should be a hoot this weekend.

Give it time....

[Gil Dobie]

Lines forming at the gas stations here amid rumors of the price doubling.

[Ivytalk]

Lines forming at the gas stations here amid rumors of the price doubling.

Ah, the sweet smell of panic. Better stock up on TP again, too.

[Ibanez]

The Russian leader launched the "special military operation" by repeating a number of unfounded claims he has made this week, including alleging that Ukraine's democratically elected government had been responsible for eight years of genocide.


He said the goal was demilitarisation and "denazification" of Ukraine. Hours earlier Ukraine's president had asked how a people who lost eight million of its citizens fighting Nazis could support Nazism. "How could I be a Nazi?" said Mr Zelensky, who is himself Jewish.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60503037

That's some quality propaganda there.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60500618

Ukraine has been hit by more cyber-attacks, which its government says are "on a completely different level".

Earlier on Wednesday, the websites of several Ukrainian banks and government departments became inaccessible.

At the same time a new "wiper" attack, which destroys data on infected machines, was discovered being used against Ukrainian organisations.

The incident represents the third wave of attacks against Ukraine this year, and the most sophisticated to date.

I've been saying it for 14 years that this was coming. An attack on a sovereign country like Ukraine shouldn't be tolerated. I'm sure our sanctions will do the trick though...

[Winterborn]

The Russian leader launched the "special military operation" by repeating a number of unfounded claims he has made this week, including alleging that Ukraine's democratically elected government had been responsible for eight years of genocide.


He said the goal was demilitarisation and "denazification" of Ukraine. Hours earlier Ukraine's president had asked how a people who lost eight million of its citizens fighting Nazis could support Nazism. "How could I be a Nazi?" said Mr Zelensky, who is himself Jewish.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60503037

That's some quality propaganda there.

Just more psychological deflection and slight of hand by Putin.

[Skjellyfetti]

The Russian leader launched the "special military operation" by repeating a number of unfounded claims he has made this week, including alleging that Ukraine's democratically elected government had been responsible for eight years of genocide.


He said the goal was demilitarisation and "denazification" of Ukraine. Hours earlier Ukraine's president had asked how a people who lost eight million of its citizens fighting Nazis could support Nazism. "How could I be a Nazi?" said Mr Zelensky, who is himself Jewish.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60503037

That's some quality propaganda there.

Especially since Zelenskyy is a democratically elected Jew.

[Pwns]

If only we had Joe Biden in office instead of Putin's puppet.

[CID1990]

Think Ukraine even makes it to Friday? Will there be a Ukraine by the end of the month?

I do think that Putin’s intention is to install a Moscow friendly govt in Kyiv, and that will mean taking the city.

But there is still a possibility that he could stop short of that. The strikes all over the country are largely against the Ukrainian air force, and that would have happened under any circumstance


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[kalm]

When your alt-right friend tweet posts social anarchists. Lol.

[kalm]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60503037

That's some quality propaganda there.

Especially since Zelenskyy is a democratically elected Jew.

And still has majority support in the contested provinces.

[BDKJMU]

Yep. I was wrong. Though Putin would take the part of Ukraine it wants through more of a slowburn infiltration/propaganda style. But I mean the weakest and most mentally frail POTUS in modern history is in power so now's the best time to grab what you want with brute force.

Wonder when China makes its move to eat Taiwan?

And I thought electing Biden was supposed to stop these kinds of actions abroad?

Anyone thinking electing a US president would stop some other world leader from authoritative action is out of their mind. We have influence and power...but that only goes so far. Including under the strongest of presidents.

Well, Putin did 2 invasions under Obama, 1 under Biden, and 0 under Trump. Why is that?

[Ibanez]

Think Ukraine even makes it to Friday? Will there be a Ukraine by the end of the month?

I do think that Putin’s intention is to install a Moscow friendly govt in Kyiv, and that will mean taking the city.

But there is still a possibility that he could stop short of that. The strikes all over the country are largely against the Ukrainian air force, and that would have happened under any circumstance


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I don't think you say what Putin's been saying and the maneuvers he's ordered if your goal is NOT to take Kyiv and install a puppet government. That neo-Nazi Jew President is committing mass genocide and must be stopped!!!

[CID1990]

I do think that Putin’s intention is to install a Moscow friendly govt in Kyiv, and that will mean taking the city.

But there is still a possibility that he could stop short of that. The strikes all over the country are largely against the Ukrainian air force, and that would have happened under any circumstance


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I don't think you say what Putin's been saying and the maneuvers he's ordered if your goal is NOT to take Kyiv and install a puppet government. That neo-Nazi Jew President is committing mass genocide and must be stopped!!!

I dont think it is likely that Putin will hold off on that, just that the strikes deep within Ukraine are not necessarily indicative of that.


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[Ibanez]

Anyone thinking electing a US president would stop some other world leader from authoritative action is out of their mind. We have influence and power...but that only goes so far. Including under the strongest of presidents.

Well, Putin did 2 invasions under Obama, 1 under Biden, and 0 under Trump. Why is that?

Several reasons:
1 - Perceived strength/weakness of POTUS, NATO, UK PM, French President and the will of the American People
2 - Ancillary world events like the Ukrainian Revolution of 2014, Syria, a global Pandemic
3 - Time/Money/resources required to mobilize and execute an offensive
4 - I don't think it's beyond reason to suggest Russia might be discussing plans/objectives with their own allies like Belarus and China

Remember, the annexation of Crimea took place AFTER a revolution in Ukraine (which came after the Ukrainian President aligning himself with Russia)

US Presidents get way too much credit/blame. The sun doesn't rise and set in Washington DC.

I'm trying to look at it as objectively as I can and trying to avoid the boiler plate anti-Obama/Trump/Biden tropes.

[Skjellyfetti]

I do think that Putin’s intention is to install a Moscow friendly govt in Kyiv, and that will mean taking the city.

But there is still a possibility that he could stop short of that. The strikes all over the country are largely against the Ukrainian air force, and that would have happened under any circumstance

There is no chance they aren't planning on taking Kyiv. If they are not able to install a new puppet regime, this will be a complete failure. And, yes - that will require occupying Kyiv.

I agree that the initial strikes were to neutralize the air force and does not mean that mean Russia is planning on occupying all of those places immediately - especially western Ukraine. But, Russian ground forces are pouring across the border and it won't be long until they are converging on Kyiv from multiple directions.

Decent map of current advance. Moving quickest and facing least resistance in the push north from Crimea.

[BDKJMU]

[Skjellyfetti]

Dealing with angry babushki can not be fun for an occupying force

[Ibanez]

I don't think you say what Putin's been saying and the maneuvers he's ordered if your goal is NOT to take Kyiv and install a puppet government. That neo-Nazi Jew President is committing mass genocide and must be stopped!!!

I dont think it is likely that Putin will hold off on that, just that the strikes deep within Ukraine are not necessarily indicative of that.


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I know you couldn't share any info (if you're receiving much at all) but given your position, I would love to see what you're seeing. You're saying the current military operations are NOT indicative of taking the capital? If so - I can agree with that. From my very amateur POV, the current strikes are softening the ground and acquiring strategic military and civilian targets (airport, energy plant, sea ports)

If we're to believe all the media reports, the targets have been military and/or strategic like cities, ports and airports ( I believe I heard on the BBC there was some collateral damage, i.e. condos have been struck by missiles). Again - if we're to believe the reports. Russia went in...guns blazing.

[SeattleGriz]

Well, full scale invasion is apparently on..

Yep. I was wrong. Though Putin would take the part of Ukraine it wants through more of a slowburn infiltration/propaganda style. But I mean the weakest and most mentally frail POTUS in modern history is in power so now's the best time to grab what you want with brute force.

Wonder when China makes its move to eat Taiwan?

And I thought electing Biden was supposed to stop these kinds of actions abroad?

Same here, way off as well. Don't know shit about shit apparently.

I will say my wife was telling me about a Putin article where the author said Putin was nuts. Wanted old Russia territory back. Seems that guy was right.