The US, European Union, and NATO should also send troops to the Ukraine. I'm all-in for protecting the Ukraine at this point considering they're dying to protect their freedom. This would be a just use of troops and in-line with the values of the West.
I'm ready to challenge the notion the Russians will destroy the entire world because they can't invade Ukraine.
Hard pass on troops and planes to Ukraine. Fortunately NATO already nixed that idea this morning which pretty much seals Ukraine's fate.
Not if you believe the reports coming out regarding the condition of Russian forces and equipment. Ukraine still has a shot to keep their government in power. Loads of equipment coming in (Canada just sent a bunch), a reported Ukrainian counter offensive in Kharkiv to push the Russians back to the border. Social Democrats in Finland agreeing to request for NATO membership (making it a majority in their parliament now). Warsaw has ended cooperation agreements with the cities of Moscow, St Petersburg, Smoleńsk, Nizhny Novgorod and Grozny.
The whole thing is terrible and not all news is believable but there’s too much signal to ignore the deep shit Russia is in.
Hard pass on troops and planes to Ukraine. Fortunately NATO already nixed that idea this morning which pretty much seals Ukraine's fate.
Not if you believe the reports coming out regarding the condition of Russian forces and equipment. Ukraine still has a shot to keep their government in power. Loads of equipment coming in (Canada just sent a bunch), a reported Ukrainian counter offensive in Kharkiv to push the Russians back to the border. Social Democrats in Finland agreeing to request for NATO membership (making it a majority in their parliament now). Warsaw has ended cooperation agreements with the cities of Moscow, St Petersburg, Smoleńsk, Nizhny Novgorod and Grozny.
The whole thing is terrible and not all news is believable but there’s too much signal to ignore the deep shit Russia is in.
All this "Russia in deep shit" reminds me of the WMDs Saddam had. Lots of signal there too, but no weapons.
Not if you believe the reports coming out regarding the condition of Russian forces and equipment. Ukraine still has a shot to keep their government in power. Loads of equipment coming in (Canada just sent a bunch), a reported Ukrainian counter offensive in Kharkiv to push the Russians back to the border. Social Democrats in Finland agreeing to request for NATO membership (making it a majority in their parliament now). Warsaw has ended cooperation agreements with the cities of Moscow, St Petersburg, Smoleńsk, Nizhny Novgorod and Grozny.
The whole thing is terrible and not all news is believable but there’s too much signal to ignore the deep shit Russia is in.
All this "Russia in deep shit" reminds me of the WMDs Saddam had. Lots of signal there too, but no weapons.
But also less agreement from non-Americans and legacy news had more control.
This all could be pro-Ukrainian propaganda and Russia is actually kicking ass but that’s not what I’m seeing.
Hence why he said “not realistic AT THIS POINT…”….
I believe Trip posted "While the goal should be 100% renewables, that's not realistic at this point." Baldy posted "A society relying on 100% renewals is not an obtainable goal."
I agree with Trip. It isn't realistic now but is obtainable. We just don't know how long it's going to take.
It may be obtainable at some point in the distant future, but there will need to be some sort of major technological breakthrough before that happens. You just can't put up enough wind turbines and solar panels to supply the world with all the energy it needs, and those needs are growing more and more everyday.
All this "Russia in deep shit" reminds me of the WMDs Saddam had. Lots of signal there too, but no weapons.
But also less agreement from non-Americans and legacy news had more control.
This all could be pro-Ukrainian propaganda and Russia is actually kicking ass but that’s not what I’m seeing.
I’m not a uuuuuuuge fan of US troop involvement (or NATO for that matter), but I have to wonder how quickly it would be over, given that literally the entire world has lined up with Ukraine (with the exception of Belarus and China & NoKo)….
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∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:46 am
Americans are spoiled; gas should cost a lot more. If it wasn't subsidized so heavily, it would be $10-15/gal. before the war even started. We should be leading the charge to be 100% renewable/nuclear, promoting electrification, and building a great national network of public transportation. It's also a matter of national security.
Our problem is not doing enough to end America's dependency on oil, whether produced domestically or abroad.
Hopefully higher prices finally push us into actually going all in on reinventing ourselves, but I know people will just bitch instead. Posting "Biden did that" stickers while coal-rolling bicyclists and/or driving something doing 15mpg.
The heavily subsidized thing is always a red herring. It's not really subsidization to allow capital to depreciate over time and a host of other things that we allow Big Oil to do that we also allow every other industry and business to do. Should it cost more than it does? Sure, but not anything like 2x-3x more like your proposing.
As for moving to other power, absolutely we should, but those are just as heavily subsidized by the same things you are decrying we do for oil. And segments of our country have spent the past 50 years vilifying nuclear energy so much that even now, when it's blatantly obvious that we should be building several nuclear plants, we're still hearing the same hesitation that has plagued us for 50 years.
And as for transportation, that's just a pipe dream. We aren't Europe, we don't have population centered in just a small number of areas. We've already spread out around the country. There's no national public transportation solution that would be feasible without forcing tens of millions of people to uproot and move closer to each other. But it's also not needed - electric cars will be here before we know it and assuming we can build the energy production sufficiently to account for that, there won't be cars burning gas on the roads in a couple of decades. Which will be far sooner than the magical national network of public transportation that won't ever happen.
If one would take the entire known lithium and other battery "ores" in the world, we would not be able to produce enough vehicles for replacing the current number of vehicles in the UK (if we were doing a one to one replacement). This was from a study done back in 2018 or 2019.
Another battery technology that does not depend on rare earth metals will have to be found to make any kind of dent in providing electric machines/vehicles to the general public. Good news is there is quite of bit of work being done in this area (my bet is on some version of capacitors).
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"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
Hence why he said “not realistic AT THIS POINT…”….
I believe Trip posted "While the goal should be 100% renewables, that's not realistic at this point." Baldy posted "A society relying on 100% renewals is not an obtainable goal."
I agree with Trip. It isn't realistic now but is obtainable. We just don't know how long it's going to take.
And as long as people are free to reap the benefits of their risks.
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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
LeadBolt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:35 am
With current technology, a totally renewable energy infrastructure would mean giving up a modern or post-modern life style.
It would also triple the cost of power.
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There are some states that are in for a rude awakening when their bans of certain fluorinated chemicals that are used in HVAC systems come due in 4 or so years (they have imposed such regulation based on fear and that neighboring states have done it, no legitimate scientific studies have been done for these chemical that are in an inert state).
Feel good policies are never a good idea.
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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
I believe Trip posted "While the goal should be 100% renewables, that's not realistic at this point." Baldy posted "A society relying on 100% renewals is not an obtainable goal."
I agree with Trip. It isn't realistic now but is obtainable. We just don't know how long it's going to take.
It may be obtainable at some point in the distant future, but there will need to be some sort of major technological breakthrough before that happens. You just can't put up enough wind turbines and solar panels to supply the world with all the energy it needs, and those needs are growing more and more everyday.
Beat me to it.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
The US, European Union, and NATO should also send troops to the Ukraine. I'm all-in for protecting the Ukraine at this point considering they're dying to protect their freedom. This would be a just use of troops and in-line with the values of the West.
I'm ready to challenge the notion the Russians will destroy the entire world because they can't invade Ukraine.
Hard pass on troops and planes to Ukraine. Fortunately NATO already nixed that idea this morning which pretty much seals Ukraine's fate.
Agreed on no US military involvement.
Agreed it pretty much seals Ukraine’s fate UNLESS there’s an embargo on Russian oil, but so far that isn’t happening.
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Baldy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:20 am
It may be obtainable at some point in the distant future, but there will need to be some sort of major technological breakthrough before that happens. You just can't put up enough wind turbines and solar panels to supply the world with all the energy it needs, and those needs are growing more and more everyday.
Beat me to it.
Yep. Will not happen in our lifetimes. Probably not your kids, either.
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While this isn't strictly related to the Ukraine, it IS related to the bloody Sovs.
The Soviets have detained WNBA star Brittney Griner for allegedly having weed vape gear last month. She's been playing in the Soviet Union since 2015 during the WNBA offseason because of higher salaries there. They've labeled it a "large scale" drug operation with a term in the gulag of 5-10 years. Why a professional athlete in this day and age would have vape gear is beyond me. I have a feeling these charges are trumped up in retaliation for US support of the Ukraine....
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The heavily subsidized thing is always a red herring. It's not really subsidization to allow capital to depreciate over time and a host of other things that we allow Big Oil to do that we also allow every other industry and business to do. Should it cost more than it does? Sure, but not anything like 2x-3x more like your proposing.
As for moving to other power, absolutely we should, but those are just as heavily subsidized by the same things you are decrying we do for oil. And segments of our country have spent the past 50 years vilifying nuclear energy so much that even now, when it's blatantly obvious that we should be building several nuclear plants, we're still hearing the same hesitation that has plagued us for 50 years.
And as for transportation, that's just a pipe dream. We aren't Europe, we don't have population centered in just a small number of areas. We've already spread out around the country. There's no national public transportation solution that would be feasible without forcing tens of millions of people to uproot and move closer to each other. But it's also not needed - electric cars will be here before we know it and assuming we can build the energy production sufficiently to account for that, there won't be cars burning gas on the roads in a couple of decades. Which will be far sooner than the magical national network of public transportation that won't ever happen.
If one would take the entire known lithium and other battery "ores" in the world, we would not be able to produce enough vehicles for replacing the current number of vehicles in the UK (if we were doing a one to one replacement). This was from a study done back in 2018 or 2019.
Another battery technology that does not depend on rare earth metals will have to be found to make any kind of dent in providing electric machines/vehicles to the general public. Good news is there is quite of bit of work being done in this area (my bet is on some version of capacitors).
Flux capacitors I’m hoping. Just mind the 7th fetzer valve. They are known for building up a tremendous amount of gunk.
Yep. Will not happen in our lifetimes. Probably not your kids, either.
It will happen in my lifetime (might be the end of it) but that is only if Democrats (and certain Republicans) can keep their grubby little paws off trying to control everything and trying to redistribute the wealth people will make from taking the risks in this area.
The rewards need to match the risks that it will take to have the break through needed to move away from IC engines. Along with the million and one other uses of petroleum products.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
If one would take the entire known lithium and other battery "ores" in the world, we would not be able to produce enough vehicles for replacing the current number of vehicles in the UK (if we were doing a one to one replacement). This was from a study done back in 2018 or 2019.
Another battery technology that does not depend on rare earth metals will have to be found to make any kind of dent in providing electric machines/vehicles to the general public. Good news is there is quite of bit of work being done in this area (my bet is on some version of capacitors).
Flux capacitors I’m hoping. Just mind the 7th fetzer valve. They are known for building up a tremendous amount of gunk.
Just watch out for the Temporal Agents when you make your stops. Throwing out a Mountain Dew bottle in the 17th Century carries some steep fines.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:08 pm
Yep. Will not happen in our lifetimes. Probably not your kids, either.
It will happen in my lifetime (might be the end of it) but that is only if Democrats (and certain Republicans) can keep their grubby little paws off trying to control everything and trying to redistribute the wealth people will make from taking the risks in this area.
The rewards need to match the risks that it will take to have the break through needed to move away from IC engines. Along with the million and one other uses of petroleum products.
In other words, it isn’t happening.
And even without the IC engine (and I believe will take way longer for planes), we wouldn’t get to 100% renewable, because like you said, the million and one other uses of petroleum products.
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
It will happen in my lifetime (might be the end of it) but that is only if Democrats (and certain Republicans) can keep their grubby little paws off trying to control everything and trying to redistribute the wealth people will make from taking the risks in this area.
The rewards need to match the risks that it will take to have the break through needed to move away from IC engines. Along with the million and one other uses of petroleum products.
In other words, it isn’t happening.
And even without the IC engine (and I believe will take way longer for planes), we wouldn’t get to 100% renewable, because like you said, the million and one other uses of petroleum products.
Replacing plane engines right now is in the realm of science fiction (unless somebody has the plans for an anti-gravity engine in their back pocket). Cargo ships and other large bulk carriers could do it with nuclear but good luck with that idea.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
SuperHornet's Athletics Hall of Fame includes Jacksonville State kicker Ashley Martin, the first girl to score in a Division I football game. She kicked 3 PATs in a 2001 game for J-State.
The heavily subsidized thing is always a red herring. It's not really subsidization to allow capital to depreciate over time and a host of other things that we allow Big Oil to do that we also allow every other industry and business to do. Should it cost more than it does? Sure, but not anything like 2x-3x more like your proposing.
As for moving to other power, absolutely we should, but those are just as heavily subsidized by the same things you are decrying we do for oil. And segments of our country have spent the past 50 years vilifying nuclear energy so much that even now, when it's blatantly obvious that we should be building several nuclear plants, we're still hearing the same hesitation that has plagued us for 50 years.
And as for transportation, that's just a pipe dream. We aren't Europe, we don't have population centered in just a small number of areas. We've already spread out around the country. There's no national public transportation solution that would be feasible without forcing tens of millions of people to uproot and move closer to each other. But it's also not needed - electric cars will be here before we know it and assuming we can build the energy production sufficiently to account for that, there won't be cars burning gas on the roads in a couple of decades. Which will be far sooner than the magical national network of public transportation that won't ever happen.
If one would take the entire known lithium and other battery "ores" in the world, we would not be able to produce enough vehicles for replacing the current number of vehicles in the UK (if we were doing a one to one replacement). This was from a study done back in 2018 or 2019.
Another battery technology that does not depend on rare earth metals will have to be found to make any kind of dent in providing electric machines/vehicles to the general public. Good news is there is quite of bit of work being done in this area (my bet is on some version of capacitors).
Yep. It’s not real complicated. But it is. And yet, All vehicles in CA will be electric in 8 years. Go figure… And even if there WAS enough rare-earth minerals to replace all the cars, the electric grid and infrastructure can’t support the cars that are out there NOW.
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