The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

And a 7th Russian general has been killed.

On a related note…sounds like Shoigu came out of light speed too close to the system.

[BDKJMU]

And a 7th Russian general has been killed.

On a related note…sounds like Shoigu came out of light speed too close to the system.

6 or 7. One is disputed. BBC updated few hours ago lists the 6 confimed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60807538

[houndawg]

So what's the real story? Educate us.

The political elite started a proxy war to protect their money laundering scheme in the Ukraine.

Almost.

Which political elite?

[houndawg]

I'm going to throw this out there. I know I've been a totally unfair dick to CID. He has no control who he works for. I believe he is 95% correct in his assessment. I am a stooge compared to him.

But imma still talk shit.

Of course he has control of who he works for, just like everybody else; I doubt anybody here works a job that would have access to better info on the big picture than he does. Sure its fun to tease him about being a Big Gubmint Libertarian but thats a different thing.

You just want to talk shit because you're butthurt like SD and don't want to think about how this thing would be playing out if your guy had won the election and were Commander-in-Chief.

[CID1990]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.


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[houndawg]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.


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Maybe he wants a confrontation

Like FDR wanted a war before public opinion was ready for it

[CID1990]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.


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Maybe he wants a confrontation

Like FDR wanted a war before public opinion was ready for it

If that is the case then Biden needs to be regime-changed himself - via the 25th Amendment. He is obviously mentally incapacitated for that comment

It is absolutely berserk to call for regime change in a nuclear superpower. There is plenty of evidence that Putin is not all there. The last thing we need is a US president who is also fucking bonkers. At this point, I’d take Kamala because she’s no threat to anything

Edit- where are all the Democrats who clutched their pearls over Reagan calling the USSR the evil empire? We need those Dems today. Where the fuck are they?


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[kalm]

Maybe he wants a confrontation

Like FDR wanted a war before public opinion was ready for it

If that is the case then Biden needs to be regime-changed himself - via the 25th Amendment. He is obviously mentally incapacitated for that comment

It is absolutely berserk to call for regime change in a nuclear superpower. There is plenty of evidence that Putin is not all there. The last thing we need is a US president who is also fucking bonkers. At this point, I’d take Kamala because she’s no threat to anything

Edit- where are all the Democrats who clutched their pearls over Reagan calling the USSR the evil empire? We need those Dems today. Where the fuck are they?


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Hard to disagree. Need to rise above the meaningless rhetoric that Russia is putting out. And now China, to certain extent. I mean the threats are implicit anyway. Most of the world has already decided to economically decapitate Putin.

[JohnStOnge]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.


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We'll see what happens. I have been thinking for a while that all involved should start appealing directly to others in Russia. Basically saying, "look, this guy is going to lead you to ruin." The proposition that Putin needs to be removed is a pretty reasonable proposition.

[SDHornet]

The political elite started a proxy war to protect their money laundering scheme in the Ukraine.

Almost.

Which political elite?

All of them. It's uniparty when it comes to the Ukrainian grift.

[SDHornet]

I'm going to throw this out there. I know I've been a totally unfair dick to CID. He has no control who he works for. I believe he is 95% correct in his assessment. I am a stooge compared to him.

But imma still talk shit.

Of course he has control of who he works for, just like everybody else; I doubt anybody here works a job that would have access to better info on the big picture than he does. Sure its fun to tease him about being a Big Gubmint Libertarian but thats a different thing.

You just want to talk shit because you're butthurt like SD and don't want to think about how this thing would be playing out if your guy had won the election and were Commander-in-Chief.

Not sure what Trump has to do with this Ukraine issue other than Russia not starting the war while he was in office. There's a reason the most recent Russian aggression against Ukraine happened when Biden was in power.

[BDKJMU]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.

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His advisors are morons. If they were smart, they would advise him to shit his mouth and not say anything.

In 24+ hours Biden has
-Said US would use chemicals weapons in response to Russia’s use of them.
-insinuated US troops were going to enter Ukraine
-Putin should be taken out.
We’re now closer to WWIII than we were a couple days ago.

[SDHornet]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.


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We'll see what happens. I have been thinking for a while that all involved should start appealing directly to others in Russia. Basically saying, "look, this guy is going to lead you to ruin." The proposition that Putin needs to be removed is a pretty reasonable proposition.

You don't get it either. Not a surprise.

[BDKJMU]

We'll see what happens. I have been thinking for a while that all involved should start appealing directly to others in Russia. Basically saying, "look, this guy is going to lead you to ruin." The proposition that Putin needs to be removed is a pretty reasonable proposition.

You don't get it either. Not a surprise.

The White House is flat out lying, because they’re literally saying Biden didn’t say what he said. Dumbasses

[houndawg]

Of course he has control of who he works for, just like everybody else; I doubt anybody here works a job that would have access to better info on the big picture than he does. Sure its fun to tease him about being a Big Gubmint Libertarian but thats a different thing.

You just want to talk shit because you're butthurt like SD and don't want to think about how this thing would be playing out if your guy had won the election and were Commander-in-Chief.

Not sure what Trump has to do with this Ukraine issue other than Russia not starting the war while he was in office. There's a reason the most recent Russian aggression against Ukraine happened when Biden was in power.

....do us a favor then we'll see about getting you some help...

[houndawg]

This is the most reckless thing I have ever heard a US President say publicly.

When it comes to not listening to his advisors and following their advice,

Biden = Trump

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/ ... er-n458214

Like former SecSef Gates said - Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy position of the last 40 years, and boy he sure as hell extended the streak today.

I don’t think this can be walked back. He just validated every bit of Russian propaganda about NATO.

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His advisors are morons. If they were smart, they would advise him to shit his mouth and not say anything.

In 24+ hours Biden has
-Said US would use chemicals weapons in response to Russia’s use of them.
-insinuated US troops were going to enter Ukraine
-Putin should be taken out.
We’re now closer to WWIII than we were a couple days ago.

Whether thats true or not is up to Putin. This gives him the pretext he seems to want so we'll see. He gets twitchcy we'll send a militia of 400 lb rednecks in camouflage mumus.

I tried to tell you for years that Bernie shoulda been the candidate.

[kalm]

Very interesting piece on some of the left’s Russia sympathy and inability to - as the author notes - walk and chew gum. Ideological purity vs. pragmatism. It’s an unfair world frequently governed by deeply flawed humans weighing what’s morally right against political survival.

The West is obviously guilty because it provoked Russia, but whatever sins it may have committed, it also has an obvious right to self-determination - after all, it is inconceivable that anyone should decide for the US, Canada, or the UK. The people oppressed by the West - Iraqis, Afghans, Palestinians, indigenous people - also have this right and they deserve it for centuries of colonial oppression. East and Central Europe, on the other hand, neither the West nor its victims, a liminal zone, a bit wild, a bit barbaric, something between a younger brother and a provincial uncle, the mythical land of Borduria, Zubrowka, Ruritania, can be sacrificed. After all, it's not the first time and probably not the last.

According to this logic, in 2014 it was not the Ukrainians who decided that they were closer to the European Union than the Eurasian Union - it was the US that staged a coup, apparently in a social vacuum. Whether the Eastern and Central European states wanted to join NATO is not of the slightest importance: their admission to the North Atlantic Alliance was clearly a mistake because God forbid you will have to live up to your treaty obligations. It would be far better to leave a "buffer zone" of no-man's land. The whole East-Central Europe is just a pawn on the geopolitical chessboard, spoils passing from hand to hand and having no say regarding its own future.

And while such a cynical and blunt approach to international relations would not be a surprise on the right side of the political spectrum, it is very puzzling to see the left, which is usually so sensitive to other people's harm and defends the right to define its own identity, adopt the same stance. Apparently, some of its representatives cannot walk and chew gum at the same time: they are incapable of denouncing American imperialism and noticing the Russian one for what it is. Well, Russia has a range of methods and a long tradition of inspiring useful idiots.

https://wyborcza.pl/7,173236,28189964,w ... 6G93mvvwQc

[AZGrizFan]

His advisors are morons. If they were smart, they would advise him to shit his mouth and not say anything.

In 24+ hours Biden has
-Said US would use chemicals weapons in response to Russia’s use of them.
-insinuated US troops were going to enter Ukraine
-Putin should be taken out.
We’re now closer to WWIII than we were a couple days ago.

Whether thats true or not is up to Putin. This gives him the pretext he seems to want so we'll see. He gets twitchcy we'll send a militia of 400 lb rednecks in camouflage mumus.

I tried to tell you for years that Bernie shoulda been the candidate.

We’d be fighting on Russia’s side if Bernie had been the candidate.

[kalm]

Whether thats true or not is up to Putin. This gives him the pretext he seems to want so we'll see. He gets twitchcy we'll send a militia of 400 lb rednecks in camouflage mumus.

I tried to tell you for years that Bernie shoulda been the candidate.

We’d be fighting on Russia’s side if Bernie had been the candidate.

Yeah! Because both Russia and Bernie are godless commies!

[houndawg]

Whether thats true or not is up to Putin. This gives him the pretext he seems to want so we'll see. He gets twitchcy we'll send a militia of 400 lb rednecks in camouflage mumus.

I tried to tell you for years that Bernie shoulda been the candidate.

We’d be fighting on Russia’s side if Bernie had been the candidate.

Wrong as usual. We would be withdrawing rom NATO as we speak if he-who-needed-two-trips-to-haul-ass hadn't been sent packing in a landslide.

[AZGrizFan]

We’d be fighting on Russia’s side if Bernie had been the candidate.

Wrong as usual. We would be withdrawing rom NATO as we speak if he-who-needed-two-trips-to-haul-ass hadn't been sent packing in a landslide.

Yeah. That’s why THAT never happened, nor did Russia invade any sovereign nation while he was president. Your imaginary logic is comical.

[CID1990]

We’d be fighting on Russia’s side if Bernie had been the candidate.

Wrong as usual. We would be withdrawing rom NATO as we speak if he-who-needed-two-trips-to-haul-ass hadn't been sent packing in a landslide.

That is not correct. There was never a move to exit NATO, and in fact it isn’t entirely clear that Trump would have been able to do it unilaterally anyway.

We had already secured a pledge from Germany to spend a higher percentage of their GDP on defense- thereby bringing them into compliance with their treaty obligations, which was Trump’s biggest gripe.

Additionally, Trumps own actions were nowhere near consistent with a planned exit from NATO. He signed off on the additions of Montenegro and North Macedonia during his term, which are now the two weakest members, who we are now treaty bound to defend.


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[houndawg]

Wrong as usual. We would be withdrawing rom NATO as we speak if he-who-needed-two-trips-to-haul-ass hadn't been sent packing in a landslide.

That is not correct. There was never a move to exit NATO, and in fact it isn’t entirely clear that Trump would have been able to do it unilaterally anyway.

We had already secured a pledge from Germany to spend a higher percentage of their GDP on defense- thereby bringing them into compliance with their treaty obligations, which was Trump’s biggest gripe.

Additionally, Trumps own actions were nowhere near consistent with a planned exit from NATO. He signed off on the additions of Montenegro and North Macedonia during his term, which are now the two weakest members, who we are now treaty bound to defend.


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They were still talking price.

[AZGrizFan]

Wrong as usual. We would be withdrawing rom NATO as we speak if he-who-needed-two-trips-to-haul-ass hadn't been sent packing in a landslide.

That is not correct. There was never a move to exit NATO, and in fact it isn’t entirely clear that Trump would have been able to do it unilaterally anyway.

We had already secured a pledge from Germany to spend a higher percentage of their GDP on defense- thereby bringing them into compliance with their treaty obligations, which was Trump’s biggest gripe.

Additionally, Trumps own actions were nowhere near consistent with a planned exit from NATO. He signed off on the additions of Montenegro and North Macedonia during his term, which are now the two weakest members, who we are now treaty bound to defend.


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Stop it with the actual facts. Densedawg don’t give two shits about facts.

[HI54UNI]

So are the social media reports of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs true?