The Ukraine Crisis

[CID1990]

I saw all kinds of corroboration of the murders of Ukrainian civilians today. It dovetails precisely with what the NYT was saying (guess why?)

I also saw stacks of corroboration that the Russian army is in fact being whipped and not a case of “we meant to do this”


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[BDKJMU]

We import little food from Ukraine and Russia. According to the interwebs, 2019 only $143 and $69 million respectively. That is nothing- we produce hundreds of billions annually agcricultural products. So if it was just the loss of Russian and Ukranian food that wouldn’t affect us, as we are a massive net exporter of food

Its the fertilizer imported from Russia (and apparently Belarus) that is the problem with both sky rocketing prices and shortages. Winterborn talked about this earlier on here. One thing I read last month talked about how some farmers will either:
-Spread the fertilzer thinner.
-Or cut back on acerage planted.
Either way that will = lower yields and higher food inflation in the US.

One partial solution- shit:
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/man ... kraine-war

[CID1990]

We import little food from Ukraine and Russia. According to the interwebs, 2019 only $143 and $69 million respectively. That is nothing- we produce hundreds of billions annually agcricultural products. So if it was just the loss of Russian and Ukranian food that wouldn’t affect us, as we are a massive net exporter of food

Its the fertilizer imported from Russia (and apparently Belarus) that is the problem with both sky rocketing prices and shortages. Winterborn talked about this earlier on here. One thing I read last month talked about how some farmers will either:
-Spread the fertilzer thinner.
-Or cut back on acerage planted.
Either way that will = lower yields and higher food inflation in the US.

One partial solution- shit:
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/man ... kraine-war

Grain shortages from Ukraine won’t affect us (adversely) but they will definitely affect the rest of the world - Ukraine is a huge supplier for Europe and Asia. This is why I’ve been telling investor friends to have a look at the futures markets - because there may be a boom on the horizon for American farmers.


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[CID1990]

Borodyanka is now giving up its osn secrets after a month of Russian occupation

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61007427

I’m guessing all the civilians there must’ve been Nazis too

Theres nazis everywhere apparently and therefore Ukraine must be leveled


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[SDHornet]

Interesting thread on where things stand now. Can UK get its forces to the east to thwart RU push. Haven't seen much on RU moving on Odessa, which is the last port UK holds.

Time is on Ukraines side and Putin is long overdue for a bitch slapping. Our job is to make sure it costs Russia the maximum possible in their blood and treasure and that the Chinese decide this is not the time to challenge the US military. That will happen in its time

I don't think time is on UK's side. The longer this lasts the more likely this turns into a war of attrition, and they won't out attrition RU. UK needs outside forces to come to their aid, hence the propaganda/hysteria about civilians getting killed to try and drum up foreign intervention in the form of boots on the ground or a no fly zone.

[SDHornet]

I saw all kinds of corroboration of the murders of Ukrainian civilians today. It dovetails precisely with what the NYT was saying (guess why?)

I also saw stacks of corroboration that the Russian army is in fact being whipped and not a case of “we meant to do this”


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world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23014

Sorry Cid, none of these people dealing with this have any credibility. I'd rather keep out troops out of this mess. If that means more dead civilians, then so be it.

[SDHornet]

We import little food from Ukraine and Russia. According to the interwebs, 2019 only $143 and $69 million respectively. That is nothing- we produce hundreds of billions annually agcricultural products. So if it was just the loss of Russian and Ukranian food that wouldn’t affect us, as we are a massive net exporter of food

Its the fertilizer imported from Russia (and apparently Belarus) that is the problem with both sky rocketing prices and shortages. Winterborn talked about this earlier on here. One thing I read last month talked about how some farmers will either:
-Spread the fertilzer thinner.
-Or cut back on acerage planted.
Either way that will = lower yields and higher food inflation in the US.

One partial solution- shit:
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/man ... kraine-war

Grain shortages from Ukraine won’t affect us (adversely) but they will definitely affect the rest of the world - Ukraine is a huge supplier for Europe and Asia. This is why I’ve been telling investor friends to have a look at the futures markets - because there may be a boom on the horizon for American farmers.


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Lots of headlines on this. Countries that cant grow their own food are going to be in a world of hurt.

[CID1990]

I saw all kinds of corroboration of the murders of Ukrainian civilians today. It dovetails precisely with what the NYT was saying (guess why?)

I also saw stacks of corroboration that the Russian army is in fact being whipped and not a case of “we meant to do this”


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world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23014

Sorry Cid, none of these people dealing with this have any credibility. I'd rather keep out troops out of this mess. If that means more dead civilians, then so be it.

Why do you keep throwing out this straw man? At least you’ve acknowledged that war crimes against civilians are happening so I guess that’s a start

Nobody is sending our troops to Ukraine. It has been said over and over that we are releasing intelligence to try to pre-empt Putin from using chemical weapons. Before, it was to try to pre-empt him from using a false flag to invade in the first place.

Nobody is trying to get us into a shooting war with Russia except retired or unemployed talking heads on CNN with zero policy pull.


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[houndawg]

I saw all kinds of corroboration of the murders of Ukrainian civilians today. It dovetails precisely with what the NYT was saying (guess why?)

I also saw stacks of corroboration that the Russian army is in fact being whipped and not a case of “we meant to do this”


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world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23014

Sorry Cid, none of these people dealing with this have any credibility. I'd rather keep out troops out of this mess. If that means more dead civilians, then so be it.

Pay attention. Nobody is arguing about putting troops into Ukraine. Thats just you trying to deflect from the indefensible position you've adopted and can't find a graceful way out of.

Russia's economy will collapse before they can out-attrit Ukraine. And putting out info to keep Putin off-balance seems to be working well. One thing you have forgotten to account for is morale among the Russian troops - they've been lied to about the mission, they're freezing their hungry asses in their bogged-down equipment wondering where are the nazis and wtf is going on. Wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that there have been fraggings - troops that would do what they have to civilians wouldn't have the slightest of qualms about it. The psy-ops folks are probably putting together tales revolution among the conscripts as we speak.

[houndawg]

We import little food from Ukraine and Russia. According to the interwebs, 2019 only $143 and $69 million respectively. That is nothing- we produce hundreds of billions annually agcricultural products. So if it was just the loss of Russian and Ukranian food that wouldn’t affect us, as we are a massive net exporter of food

Its the fertilizer imported from Russia (and apparently Belarus) that is the problem with both sky rocketing prices and shortages. Winterborn talked about this earlier on here. One thing I read last month talked about how some farmers will either:
-Spread the fertilzer thinner.
-Or cut back on acerage planted.
Either way that will = lower yields and higher food inflation in the US.

One partial solution- shit:
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/man ... kraine-war

Grain shortages from Ukraine won’t affect us (adversely) but they will definitely affect the rest of the world - Ukraine is a huge supplier for Europe and Asia. This is why I’ve been telling investor friends to have a look at the futures markets - because there may be a boom on the horizon for American farmers.


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No "may" about it - in 10-15 years you will be able to walk to China from Cairo, IL, on freighters filled with soybeans.

[Ibanez]

Borodyanka is now giving up its osn secrets after a month of Russian occupation

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61007427

I’m guessing all the civilians there must’ve been Nazis too

Theres nazis everywhere apparently and therefore Ukraine must be leveled


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CID, you ignorant slut. This is all fake news. Trump asked Putin about this and was told it was all a lie and fake news. You can take that to the bank.




In all seriousness - that's awful. Who knows how many people are buried in the rubble. The Russians own this and I hope those in power will be swinging, upside down, from a balcony.

Those that are defending the Russians or giving them the benefit of the doubt are staggeringly naïve. I get being cynical of the media but with the evidence we have, our choices are to either believe it or consider to feed into the lie/misinformation being fed by Russian supporters. This isn't anything new - this isn't anything that the Russians haven't done before in some regard.

[CID1990]

Finally there’s some SIGINT becoming open source -

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russ ... -r8bnt7tcb

We literally have Russian commanders ordering their troops to kill civilians. Most of this has been known for some time but it is now being declassified. The amount of intel from both the US and UK that is being declassified and released is unprecedented.


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[Ibanez]

Finally there’s some SIGINT becoming open source -

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russ ... -r8bnt7tcb

We literally have Russian commanders ordering their troops to kill civilians. Most of this has been known for some time but it is now being declassified. The amount of intel from both the US and UK that is being declassified and released is unprecedented.


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Don't worry SG and SD, I got you on this - CID! How do we know those aren't Ukrainians posing as Russians? I need to see video evidence of these people, with their sworn statements showing fealty to Putin before I believe anything from the LameStream Media.

[CID1990]

Bodies were left booby-trapped by the Russians as they retreated from Bucha.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... -soldiers/


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[BDKJMU]

Time is on Ukraines side and Putin is long overdue for a bitch slapping. Our job is to make sure it costs Russia the maximum possible in their blood and treasure and that the Chinese decide this is not the time to challenge the US military. That will happen in its time

I don't think time is on UK's side. The longer this lasts the more likely this turns into a war of attrition, and they won't out attrition RU. UK needs outside forces to come to their aid, hence the propaganda/hysteria about civilians getting killed to try and drum up foreign intervention in the form of boots on the ground or a no fly zone.

They could IF:
-they continue to have the will
-they continue to have outside weapons pouring in.

If the Russians continued to suffer huge losses (men and material) at some point their economy would be teetering on the verge of collapse, and there woukd be a critical mass of opposition within Russia to end this. But maybe that could take years..

[Skjellyfetti]

They could IF:
-they continue to have the will
-they continue to have outside weapons pouring in.

If the Russians continued to suffer huge losses (men and material) at some point their economy would be teetering on the verge of collapse, and there woukd be a critical mass of opposition within Russia to end this. But maybe that could take years..

Among the younger, educated, cosmopolitan demographic... possibly. But, they're already leaving in droves. And the ones that haven't left yet are making arrangements. They prefer the West and would rather GTFO than stay and try to organize some sort of resistance to Putin. Why bother? The "other" Russian younger generation have Z tattoos, spray painted Zs on their Ladas and front doors and are bought in 100%>

The older generation - not even close. They lived through the Soviet Union and the economic collapse of the 90s and resulting mafia state. They are more used to economic turmoil than they are the last couple of decades of relative stability. The stability is an aberration. Suffering is a part of the Russian consciousness like individualism is a part of the American.

[BDKJMU]

They could IF:
-they continue to have the will
-they continue to have outside weapons pouring in.

If the Russians continued to suffer huge losses (men and material) at some point their economy would be teetering on the verge of collapse, and there woukd be a critical mass of opposition within Russia to end this. But maybe that could take years..

Among the younger, educated, cosmopolitan demographic... possibly. But, they're already leaving in droves. And the ones that haven't left yet are making arrangements. They prefer the West and would rather GTFO than stay and try to organize some sort of resistance to Putin. Why bother? The "other" Russian younger generation have Z tattoos, spray painted Zs on their Ladas and front doors and are bought in 100%>

The older generation - not even close. They lived through the Soviet Union and the economic collapse of the 90s and resulting mafia state. They are more used to economic turmoil than they are the last couple of decades of relative stability. The stability is an aberration. Suffering is a part of the Russian consciousness like individualism is a part of the American.

If that is the case eventually would get to a point where economically they couldn’t sustain the war fighting at the current level. Ignoring the sanctions, just looking at military expenses, what is it costing Russia now to conduct the war (including cost to replace losses)- tens of billions $$$ per week?

[kalm]

Among the younger, educated, cosmopolitan demographic... possibly. But, they're already leaving in droves. And the ones that haven't left yet are making arrangements. They prefer the West and would rather GTFO than stay and try to organize some sort of resistance to Putin. Why bother? The "other" Russian younger generation have Z tattoos, spray painted Zs on their Ladas and front doors and are bought in 100%>

The older generation - not even close. They lived through the Soviet Union and the economic collapse of the 90s and resulting mafia state. They are more used to economic turmoil than they are the last couple of decades of relative stability. The stability is an aberration. Suffering is a part of the Russian consciousness like individualism is a part of the American.

If that is the case eventually would get to a point where economically they couldn’t sustain the war fighting at the current level. Ignoring the sanctions, just looking at military expenses, what is it costing Russia now to conduct the war (including cost to replace losses)- tens of billions $$$ per week?

Suddenly, it becomes clear. Putin's war in Ukraine shows how great damage Putin has done to the Russian state. I would argue that Putin has made Russia fail as a state. That will have major consequences.

Putin's most obvious failure is that he is about to be beaten militarily by Ukraine. Russia is not even a regional power. Ukraine has taken out 50 out of 120 battalion tactical groups allocated to Ukraine & Russia has a total of only 170. Ukraine is on the verge to defeat Russia.

This Putin failure is becoming all the more serious, because he has formed a state, a Sparta, that is only living for wars, unable to comply with any treaties or international law.

Nor is Putin able to govern. He has formed an authoritarian kleptocracy, in which only the stealing to the benefit of a narrow elite goes well. Without any democracy, he does nothing for Russia's citizens, delivering no democracy or rule of law, only repression.

Putin is spectacularly disinterested in the development of the Russian economy, which has not grown since 2014, leading to social misery.

Putin's only escape is lies and propaganda, recreating Orwell's 1984. He has created a shallow ideology of Putinism, essentially Russia is great and has two beat everybody else with force. Mussolini's fascism seems profound by comparison.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1511 ... kcx5adr5cs

[Skjellyfetti]

If that is the case eventually would get to a point where economically they couldn’t sustain the war fighting at the current level. Ignoring the sanctions, just looking at military expenses, what is it costing Russia now to conduct the war (including cost to replace losses)- tens of billions $$$ per week?

Yes, I do agree on that part. They can't afford to wage the war indefinitely. I think that is probably the main reason they decided to scale back and leave Kyiv.

[UNI88]

A soldier wearing Nazi imagery was given a medal by a Russia-backed separatist republic for killing Ukrainian 'nationalists'

Reportedly a fighter for the Donetsk People's Republic receiving a medal

According to the site, the video shows DPR leader Denis Pushilin saluting and shaking hands with Senior Lieutenant Roman Vorobyov of the "Somalia" motorized rifle battalion during a visit to Mariupol. He then pins the commendation — called the "St George Cross II" by an accompanying report — on Vorobyov.

Two patches can be seen on Vorobyov's right arm.

One depicts the "Totenkopf," or "death's head" — a skull-and-crossbones image recognized as a neo-Nazi and white supremacist symbol by the Anti-Defamation League. It was originally used by a Nazi German SS branch that guarded concentration camps and was later incorporated into the Third SS Panzer Division during World War II.

Vorobyov also wore a patch bearing the "Valknot," an ancient Norse symbol associated with the god Odin, per the ADL. The Valknot has also been appropriated by white supremacists, the league says.

[SeattleGriz]

Finally there’s some SIGINT becoming open source -

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russ ... -r8bnt7tcb

We literally have Russian commanders ordering their troops to kill civilians. Most of this has been known for some time but it is now being declassified. The amount of intel from both the US and UK that is being declassified and released is unprecedented.


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Don't worry SG and SD, I got you on this - CID! How do we know those aren't Ukrainians posing as Russians? I need to see video evidence of these people, with their sworn statements showing fealty to Putin before I believe anything from the LameStream Media.

[SDHornet]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23014

Sorry Cid, none of these people dealing with this have any credibility. I'd rather keep out troops out of this mess. If that means more dead civilians, then so be it.

Why do you keep throwing out this straw man? At least you’ve acknowledged that war crimes against civilians are happening so I guess that’s a start

Nobody is sending our troops to Ukraine. It has been said over and over that we are releasing intelligence to try to pre-empt Putin from using chemical weapons. Before, it was to try to pre-empt him from using a false flag to invade in the first place.

Nobody is trying to get us into a shooting war with Russia except retired or unemployed talking heads on CNN with zero policy pull.


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Naw. The elites want another war with US troops. Make no mistake about this.

[SDHornet]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23014

Sorry Cid, none of these people dealing with this have any credibility. I'd rather keep out troops out of this mess. If that means more dead civilians, then so be it.

Pay attention. Nobody is arguing about putting troops into Ukraine. Thats just you trying to deflect from the indefensible position you've adopted and can't find a graceful way out of.

Russia's economy will collapse before they can out-attrit Ukraine. And putting out info to keep Putin off-balance seems to be working well. One thing you have forgotten to account for is morale among the Russian troops - they've been lied to about the mission, they're freezing their hungry asses in their bogged-down equipment wondering where are the nazis and wtf is going on. Wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that there have been fraggings - troops that would do what they have to civilians wouldn't have the slightest of qualms about it. The psy-ops folks are probably putting together tales revolution among the conscripts as we speak.

What indefensible position is that? That the US IC and their MSM mouthpieces have no credibility?

If we really wanted to collapse Russia's economy, we'd open the flood gates on oil production by any means necessary. This would would give the EU an alternative source for their oil needs. We'd also get tough on SA by pulling out support in their war on Yemen until they started pumping more. Get global oil supply up, drop the price of oil/barrel and put the real squeeze on Putin's war machine funding.

[SDHornet]

Finally there’s some SIGINT becoming open source -

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russ ... -r8bnt7tcb

We literally have Russian commanders ordering their troops to kill civilians. Most of this has been known for some time but it is now being declassified. The amount of intel from both the US and UK that is being declassified and released is unprecedented.


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Don't worry SG and SD, I got you on this - CID! How do we know those aren't Ukrainians posing as Russians? I need to see video evidence of these people, with their sworn statements showing fealty to Putin before I believe anything from the LameStream Media.

That's my boy.

But it's behind a paywall so I couldn't see it.

[SDHornet]

A soldier wearing Nazi imagery was given a medal by a Russia-backed separatist republic for killing Ukrainian 'nationalists'

Reportedly a fighter for the Donetsk People's Republic receiving a medal

According to the site, the video shows DPR leader Denis Pushilin saluting and shaking hands with Senior Lieutenant Roman Vorobyov of the "Somalia" motorized rifle battalion during a visit to Mariupol. He then pins the commendation — called the "St George Cross II" by an accompanying report — on Vorobyov.

Two patches can be seen on Vorobyov's right arm.

One depicts the "Totenkopf," or "death's head" — a skull-and-crossbones image recognized as a neo-Nazi and white supremacist symbol by the Anti-Defamation League. It was originally used by a Nazi German SS branch that guarded concentration camps and was later incorporated into the Third SS Panzer Division during World War II.

Vorobyov also wore a patch bearing the "Valknot," an ancient Norse symbol associated with the god Odin, per the ADL. The Valknot has also been appropriated by white supremacists, the league says.

Nazi's everywhere. Keep pumping in guns and let them all kill each other.