BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:31 am
In a way this helps Biden with his base. They were likely going to end this thing anyway in May, which would piss off the mask covidian donk base. Now the Biden admin can say to their base hey, we were going to keep it, its not our fault it ended, it was a Trump judge..
Yeah…his base may have voted for Trump otherwise.
Half would vote for Beelzebub himself if he had a D by his name, the other half was an anti-Trump vote. One half it doesn't matter what he does as IF they choose to vote, it will be for a D. The other half is among the Independents and he does have to watch out for trends among them.
Biden is slowly being ground down by his own incompetence and overselling what he could do.
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:31 am
In a way this helps Biden with his base. They were likely going to end this thing anyway in May, which would piss off the mask covidian donk base. Now the Biden admin can say to their base hey, we were going to keep it, its not our fault it ended, it was a Trump judge..
Yeah…his base may have voted for Trump otherwise.
His base isn't very happy with him and a lack of involvement and energy from progressive youth could hurt Dems in 2022 and 2024.
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:54 am
His base isn't very happy with him and a lack of involvement and energy from progressive youth could hurt Dems in 2022 and 2024.
His base isn’t going to switch sides over masks was my point.
No, they aren't going to switch sides but they might not help with the campaign or even vote. Pissing off an already disgruntled base could and very likely will hurt Democrats in upcoming elections.
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
MAQA - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.
His base isn’t going to switch sides over masks was my point.
No, they aren't going to switch sides but they might not help with the campaign or even vote. Pissing off an already disgruntled base could and very likely will hurt Democrats in upcoming elections.
This has been shown on both sides that when a particular party does not have an engaged voter bases, the votes suffer.
The Dems are in a pickle. 2024 greatly depends on how Biden performs after the mid-terms and how engaged (or enraged) they are as voters on the issues in the following two years. Some of the base (progressives) might just "rage quit" when things do not go their way. Will be an interesting dynamic for the Dem leadership to contend with.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:10 am
No, they aren't going to switch sides but they might not help with the campaign or even vote. Pissing off an already disgruntled base could and very likely will hurt Democrats in upcoming elections.
This has been shown on both sides that when a particular party does not have an engaged voter bases, the votes suffer.
The Dems are in a pickle. 2024 greatly depends on how Biden performs after the mid-terms and how engaged (or enraged) they are as voters on the issues in the following two years. Some of the base (progressives) might just "rage quit" when things do not go their way. Will be an interesting dynamic for the Dem leadership to contend with.
An interesting aspect is that what engages the base might alienate moderate independents.
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
MAQA - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.
This has been shown on both sides that when a particular party does not have an engaged voter bases, the votes suffer.
The Dems are in a pickle. 2024 greatly depends on how Biden performs after the mid-terms and how engaged (or enraged) they are as voters on the issues in the following two years. Some of the base (progressives) might just "rage quit" when things do not go their way. Will be an interesting dynamic for the Dem leadership to contend with.
An interesting aspect is that what engages the base might alienate moderate independents.
Agree. Both sides have that issue on the more decisive topics of their respective parties.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
His base isn’t going to switch sides over masks was my point.
No, they aren't going to switch sides but they might not help with the campaign or even vote. Pissing off an already disgruntled base could and very likely will hurt Democrats in upcoming elections.
I seriously doubt if many in the democratic base are going to think ‘but those fucking masks on airplanes..”.
This has been shown on both sides that when a particular party does not have an engaged voter bases, the votes suffer.
The Dems are in a pickle. 2024 greatly depends on how Biden performs after the mid-terms and how engaged (or enraged) they are as voters on the issues in the following two years. Some of the base (progressives) might just "rage quit" when things do not go their way. Will be an interesting dynamic for the Dem leadership to contend with.
An interesting aspect is that what engages the base might alienate moderate independents.
Independents put Biden in office. The mitigating factor upcoming will be which side’s base grows the most.
Don't see much mention of what is going on in Shanghai on here (might of missed it) but some of the videos coming out are rough.
Government that fails to feed the people has lost all legitimacy. There may be no famine in modern China, but the Communist Party’s ill-conceived “Zero COVID” policy is raising ghosts from the nation’s long history. In the abundant 21st century, we are seeing remarkable video footage of crowds confronting police outside their compound, screaming: “We are starving!” Scores of residents shriek and roar into the Shanghai night from their apartment blocks as if experiencing the onset of mass psychosis:
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These are hardly unusual scenes in the context of 73 years of Communist Party rule. The CCP has always inflicted unnecessary suffering on the lives of ordinary people. But in the Internet age, that suffering is instantly visible. Viral videos show the outside world a thousand tragic stories: a COVID prevention worker beating a Corgi to death because the dog’s owner had been taken into quarantine; a mob of policemen in white protective gear accosting a man in the street and savagely kicking and punching him; a paramedic sitting impassively in an ambulance, ignoring a woman as she screams that her male companion’s “heart has stopped!”; babies and children packed five to a bed in those grim quarantine centres, having been separated from their parents after testing positive.
There were also snapshots of absurdity. Robot dogs patrolled the empty streets warning everyone to stay inside. One video showed citizens opening their flat window to sing as a form of protest, only to find themselves confronted by a hovering drone. “Control your desire for freedom,” it told them.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
His base isn’t going to switch sides over masks was my point.
No, they aren't going to switch sides but they might not help with the campaign or even vote. Pissing off an already disgruntled base could and very likely will hurt Democrats in upcoming elections.
Winterborn and 88 get it.
Kalm is a little slow today.
Proud deplorable Ultra MAGA fascist NAZI trash clinging to my guns and religion (and whatever else I’ve been labeled by Obama/Clinton/Biden/Harris).
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
No, they aren't going to switch sides but they might not help with the campaign or even vote. Pissing off an already disgruntled base could and very likely will hurt Democrats in upcoming elections.
Winterborn and 88 get it.
Kalm is a little slow today.
Biden dumps the problem in the CDC's lap and they will be appealing but not asking for a stay.
I bet the CDC pulls out their study proving mask effectiveness on transportation...oh wait, nevermind.
The whole situation is bizarre from a legal standpoint and really makes no sense other than it is political play to shore up part of the Dems base. The CDC will most likely find its rule making authority curtailed as it did not follow procedure in the APA and due to what the SC hinted at in its ruling against the eviction moratoria.
Take into account that the mandate was set to expire in two weeks and this will drag on for months (while the mask mandate has expired and the CDC is not asking for a stay, which hurts their argument in that this was for "public health"), plus the Judge's ruling is limited but taking it to an appeals court or the SC and losing is not. All for an extremely long shot that they will win broadly. Even a narrow win on certain merits will hurt them down the road. Judge's Mizelle ruling is not the strongest, IMHO, but it does raise some salient points, which is why I think it will be a narrow ruling against the CDC if it makes it to the SC. The 11th Circuit court in which the appeals will be held is much more conservative and is more likely to rule broadly.
But then I am no legal expert (did stay at a Holiday Inn though), so I could be seeing things wrong.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
I bet the CDC pulls out their study proving mask effectiveness on transportation...oh wait, nevermind.
The whole situation is bizarre from a legal standpoint and really makes no sense other than it is political play to shore up part of the Dems base. The CDC will most likely find its rule making authority curtailed as it did not follow procedure in the APA and due to what the SC hinted at in its ruling against the eviction moratoria.
Take into account that the mandate was set to expire in two weeks and this will drag on for months (while the mask mandate has expired and the CDC is not asking for a stay, which hurts their argument in that this was for "public health"), plus the Judge's ruling is limited but taking it to an appeals court or the SC and losing is not. All for an extremely long shot that they will win broadly. Even a narrow win on certain merits will hurt them down the road. Judge's Mizelle ruling is not the strongest, IMHO, but it does raise some salient points, which is why I think it will be a narrow ruling against the CDC if it makes it to the SC. The 11th Circuit court in which the appeals will be held is much more conservative and is more likely to rule broadly.
But then I am no legal expert (did stay at a Holiday Inn though), so I could be seeing things wrong.
I'm just saying if the CDC wants masks on transportation, they should have provided the study showing their effectiveness. You'd think after three years of the World's greatest pandemic, the CDC would have something they could back their decisions with.
The whole situation is bizarre from a legal standpoint and really makes no sense other than it is political play to shore up part of the Dems base. The CDC will most likely find its rule making authority curtailed as it did not follow procedure in the APA and due to what the SC hinted at in its ruling against the eviction moratoria.
Take into account that the mandate was set to expire in two weeks and this will drag on for months (while the mask mandate has expired and the CDC is not asking for a stay, which hurts their argument in that this was for "public health"), plus the Judge's ruling is limited but taking it to an appeals court or the SC and losing is not. All for an extremely long shot that they will win broadly. Even a narrow win on certain merits will hurt them down the road. Judge's Mizelle ruling is not the strongest, IMHO, but it does raise some salient points, which is why I think it will be a narrow ruling against the CDC if it makes it to the SC. The 11th Circuit court in which the appeals will be held is much more conservative and is more likely to rule broadly.
But then I am no legal expert (did stay at a Holiday Inn though), so I could be seeing things wrong.
I'm just saying if the CDC wants masks on transportation, they should have provided the study showing their effectiveness. You'd think after three years of the World's greatest pandemic, the CDC would have something they could back their decisions with.
There is that too.
It has been political kabuki theater from the start.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
Winterborn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:16 am
The whole situation is bizarre from a legal standpoint and really makes no sense other than it is political play to shore up part of the Dems base. The CDC will most likely find its rule making authority curtailed as it did not follow procedure in the APA and due to what the SC hinted at in its ruling against the eviction moratoria.
Take into account that the mandate was set to expire in two weeks and this will drag on for months (while the mask mandate has expired and the CDC is not asking for a stay, which hurts their argument in that this was for "public health"), plus the Judge's ruling is limited but taking it to an appeals court or the SC and losing is not. All for an extremely long shot that they will win broadly. Even a narrow win on certain merits will hurt them down the road. Judge's Mizelle ruling is not the strongest, IMHO, but it does raise some salient points, which is why I think it will be a narrow ruling against the CDC if it makes it to the SC. The 11th Circuit court in which the appeals will be held is much more conservative and is more likely to rule broadly.
But then I am no legal expert (did stay at a Holiday Inn though), so I could be seeing things wrong.
I'm just saying if the CDC wants masks on transportation, they should have provided the study showing their effectiveness. You'd think after three years of the World's greatest pandemic, the CDC would have something they could back their decisions with.
Seems to me that the CDC not being able to provide a study showing the effectiveness of masks is kind of like Donald Trump not being able to prove that the election was stolen. The credibility of both is fair game ...
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
MAQA - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.
I'm just saying if the CDC wants masks on transportation, they should have provided the study showing their effectiveness. You'd think after three years of the World's greatest pandemic, the CDC would have something they could back their decisions with.
Seems to me that the CDC not being able to provide a study showing the effectiveness of masks is kind of like Donald Trump not being able to prove that the election was stolen. The credibility of both is fair game ...
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
I'm just saying if the CDC wants masks on transportation, they should have provided the study showing their effectiveness. You'd think after three years of the World's greatest pandemic, the CDC would have something they could back their decisions with.
Seems to me that the CDC not being able to provide a study showing the effectiveness of masks is kind of like Donald Trump not being able to prove that the election was stolen. The credibility of both is fair game ...
Seems to me that the CDC not being able to provide a study showing the effectiveness of masks is kind of like Donald Trump not being able to prove that the election was stolen. The credibility of both is fair game ...
Liz Harrington is a Nazi aligned with the Azov Battalion. She has almost as little credibility as Trump and can't be trusted.
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
MAQA - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.
