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Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:53 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:41 pm

The flip side is disinformation and needs to be stopped. Banishment from social media and polite society is the norm for spreading disinformation.
Does that go for everything? Because there's a certain Republican lawmaker who thinks jewish lasers caused wildfires out west.
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Okay. I've had enough fun applying the Covid rules to abortion.

Here's how I really feel on the subject. I am pro-life but realize we'll probably never get to a point in society where everyone will want to bring a baby to term...so, if we limited abortion to only the first trimester (13 weeks), I feel that would be a good spot, especially as that is the cutoff point in the large majority of European countries.

I'd also like to see sex ed and contraception options widely available and not run by dipshits. Just the facts and no woke bullshit or attempts at grooming.

Lastly, let's get the adoptive services up and running better. It boggles my mind when people have to go out of country because it's too difficult here in the States. How can we make it so someone who puts their child up for adoption doesn't get buried in bills, but also isn't rewarded?
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Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:53 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:41 pm

The flip side is disinformation and needs to be stopped. Banishment from social media and polite society is the norm for spreading disinformation.
Does that go for everything? Because there's a certain Republican lawmaker who thinks jewish lasers caused wildfires out west.
And a former POTUS spreading manure piles of disinformation about a stolen election.

And sinking boatloads of MAGAts rejoicing that Musk's purchase of Twitter will allow that POTUS as well as Marshall Space Laser to return to the platform. What will they think when they're banished from all social media and polite society?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:13 pm
Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:53 pm

Does that go for everything? Because there's a certain Republican lawmaker who thinks jewish lasers caused wildfires out west.
And a former POTUS spreading manure piles of disinformation about a stolen election.

And sinking boatloads of MAGAts rejoicing that Musk's purchase of Twitter will allow that POTUS as well as Marshall Space Laser to return to the platform. What will they think when they're banished from all social media and polite society?
I'm not sure if you believe I actually give two shits about Trump. I really don't. What I do care about though is that he exposed all of Washington for the lazy, grifting bastards we all knew they were. The perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:13 pm And a former POTUS spreading manure piles of disinformation about a stolen election.

And sinking boatloads of MAGAts rejoicing that Musk's purchase of Twitter will allow that POTUS as well as Marshall Space Laser to return to the platform. What will they think when they're banished from all social media and polite society?
I'm not sure if you believe I actually give two shits about Trump. I really don't. What I do care about though is that he exposed all of Washington for the lazy, grifting bastards we all knew they were. The perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.
That was one of his positive accomplishments. Sometimes it takes a rat to expose other rats.

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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 8:48 am Hard to say how they'll be able to verify any of that. You'll never be able to know if an egg had been fertilized or not. Lots of eggs get fertilized but then don't implant in the uterus. It's no sure thing that a fertilized egg gets to the next step even naturally. No doubt a fertilized egg is certainly the start of a life, but that's the issue we have right now - science tells us life begins at conception, but we don't have anyway to move that out of a woman's body and allow the life to continue, before a certain point. Until we can create artificial wombs we'll have this issue. And once we have artificial wombs we'll have a new problem of too many orphans.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:15 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 5:15 am

:crybaby:

what happened to watering the tree of liberty wit the blood of tyrants... :rofl:


(Do you think they'll storm the SCOTUS and shit on the floor? :shock: )
Don't know, but the Leftists have trespassed on Fed property before so wouldn't put it past them to do it again.
I don't think they will unless they can figure out how to top shitting on the floor. No sense doing whats already been done :coffee:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:13 pm

And a former POTUS spreading manure piles of disinformation about a stolen election.

And sinking boatloads of MAGAts rejoicing that Musk's purchase of Twitter will allow that POTUS as well as Marshall Space Laser to return to the platform. What will they think when they're banished from all social media and polite society?
I'm not sure if you believe I actually give two shits about Trump. I really don't. What I do care about though is that he exposed all of Washington for the lazy, grifting bastards we all knew they were. The perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.
You haven't been paying attention for the last several decades :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:33 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm

I'm not sure if you believe I actually give two shits about Trump. I really don't. What I do care about though is that he exposed all of Washington for the lazy, grifting bastards we all knew they were. The perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.
That was one of his positive accomplishments. Sometimes it takes a rat to expose other rats.

Speaking of grooming ...

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I think he fucked her. :coffee:

Look at her grind in that last photo :shock:
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cx500d wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:57 pm
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:01 pm Okay. I've had enough fun applying the Covid rules to abortion.

Here's how I really feel on the subject. I am pro-life but realize we'll probably never get to a point in society where everyone will want to bring a baby to term...so, if we limited abortion to only the first trimester (13 weeks), I feel that would be a good spot, especially as that is the cutoff point in the large majority of European countries.

I'd also like to see sex ed and contraception options widely available and not run by dipshits. Just the facts and no woke bullshit or attempts at grooming.

Lastly, let's get the adoptive services up and running better. It boggles my mind when people have to go out of country because it's too difficult here in the States. How can we make it so someone who puts their child up for adoption doesn't get buried in bills, but also isn't rewarded?
Hear hear on adoption services. :notworthy: :clap: :clap:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:13 pm

And a former POTUS spreading manure piles of disinformation about a stolen election.

And sinking boatloads of MAGAts rejoicing that Musk's purchase of Twitter will allow that POTUS as well as Marshall Space Laser to return to the platform. What will they think when they're banished from all social media and polite society?
I'm not sure if you believe I actually give two shits about Trump. I really don't. What I do care about though is that he exposed all of Washington for the lazy, grifting bastards we all knew they were. The perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.
Newsflash - Trump didn't expose Washington. It's not like 2016 Congress has a 100% approval rating and we all thought our Congresspeople were the salt of the earth. We already know they were scum. :lol:
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Ibanez wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 4:16 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm

I'm not sure if you believe I actually give two shits about Trump. I really don't. What I do care about though is that he exposed all of Washington for the lazy, grifting bastards we all knew they were. The perfect asshole to deal with our elected assholes.
Newsflash - Trump didn't expose Washington. It's not like 2016 Congress has a 100% approval rating and we all thought our Congresspeople were the salt of the earth. We already know they were scum. :lol:
Agreed. I think Republican politicians are just as sleezy as Democrats. Uniparty.

But, I would say the Russia collusion exposed the entirety of the DC establishment. Politicians AND careerists. Has there ever been a coordinated effort from the entirety of DC to get rid of a President like they pulled with Trump?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:43 pm
Ibanez wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 4:16 am

Newsflash - Trump didn't expose Washington. It's not like 2016 Congress has a 100% approval rating and we all thought our Congresspeople were the salt of the earth. We already know they were scum. :lol:
Agreed. I think Republican politicians are just as sleezy as Democrats. Uniparty.

But, I would say the Russia collusion exposed the entirety of the DC establishment. Politicians AND careerists. Has there ever been a coordinated effort from the entirety of DC to get rid of a President like they pulled with Trump?

There's never been a President who groveled to dictators and publicly stated he believed Putin's version of events over his own intelligence services either. :coffee:
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:04 am Now we're supposed to use horse drugs for abortions. :rofl:

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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:22 pm
kalm wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:03 pm

Huh? :lol:
The aborters are denying that a fetus is a living baby. They do not grasp science, thus they are not allowed to make choices. The choices need to be made for them.
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houndawg wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 3:03 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:43 pm

Agreed. I think Republican politicians are just as sleezy as Democrats. Uniparty.

But, I would say the Russia collusion exposed the entirety of the DC establishment. Politicians AND careerists. Has there ever been a coordinated effort from the entirety of DC to get rid of a President like they pulled with Trump?

There's never been a President who groveled to dictators and publicly stated he believed Putin's version of events over his own intelligence services either. :coffee:
I look at politics as a business and the politicians are trying their best to siphon off from the flow of money. Trump simply wanted to direct that money elsewhere and that was enough to get everyone behind the movement. It would be like a new boss coming in and saying that everyone's salaries would be cut.
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houndawg wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 3:07 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:22 pm

The aborters are denying that a fetus is a living baby. They do not grasp science, thus they are not allowed to make choices. The choices need to be made for them.
I guess a ball of yarn is a sweater then. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:44 am
kalm wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 4:02 pm

:nod:

It certainly won’t hurt Democratic enthusiasm. It will move done moderates left and the far left to the right.
Not really.

According to Gallup, it's basically a toss-up between pro life and pro choice generally. However, only about 30% believe abortion should be legal under any circumstance. This decision will paint the Donks into a corner to the point that they will have to define when life begins and how to frame any law regarding abortion. I see lots of teeth gnashing and tap dancing ahead. :lol:
i meant to mention this when I responded to this post the first time and didn't get to it:

There are people who say they are "pro life" but say at the same thing that they support "a woman's right to choose." I was reminded of that over the past few days as I saw talking heads take that position. Also saw Tim Kaine take that position during an interview.

Here is a link the Gallup polling on pro life vs. pro choice: https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx

So, OK, in 2021 49% of respondents said they were Pro choice and 47% said they were Pro life. But it's pretty certain that some number of those who said they are Pro life are people who also support a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.
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Here is what I think is a good analysis of public opinion with respect to the abortion issue at this time (dated today):

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/20 ... -quandary/

I think it's clear that the "Republican" side of this is the minority side right now. I don't know whether this issue is important enough to people to make a difference in the mid terms. But there is zero question that a substantial majority pretty much supports the Roe vs. Wade paradigm.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:04 am Now we're supposed to use horse drugs for abortions. :rofl:

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I heard Glenn Beck take that angle yesterday so I Googled it. Here is a fact check on it:

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-hor ... ns-1703773
Despite the FDA's warnings, its past mockery of ivermectin advocates on social media appears to have now been seized on by anti-abortion commentators, keen to suggest the FDA-approved misoprostol represents a double standard or a lack of impartiality in drug regulation.

But these comments lack important context: Misoprostol has been approved for many years primarily as a drug used in medical abortions, but used "off-label" to treat ulceration in horses. By contrast, while ivermectin has been approved in animal (and some human) uses, it is not approved for the treatment of COVID-19 in humans due to a lack of evidence.
This is a drug approved by the FDA for use as an abortifacient in humans. Obviously, Ivermectin has not been approved by the FDA for use as a treatment for COVID-19.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 7:08 pm
Baldy wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:44 am
Not really.

According to Gallup, it's basically a toss-up between pro life and pro choice generally. However, only about 30% believe abortion should be legal under any circumstance. This decision will paint the Donks into a corner to the point that they will have to define when life begins and how to frame any law regarding abortion. I see lots of teeth gnashing and tap dancing ahead. :lol:
i meant to mention this when I responded to this post the first time and didn't get to it:

There are people who say they are "pro life" but say at the same thing that they support "a woman's right to choose." I was reminded of that over the past few days as I saw talking heads take that position. Also saw Tim Kaine take that position during an interview.

Here is a link the Gallup polling on pro life vs. pro choice: https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx

So, OK, in 2021 49% of respondents said they were Pro choice and 47% said they were Pro life. But it's pretty certain that some number of those who said they are Pro life are people who also support a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.
Which is why kicking it to the states (rightfully so) isn't going to really move the needle at all.
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Baldy wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:59 am
JohnStOnge wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 7:08 pm

i meant to mention this when I responded to this post the first time and didn't get to it:

There are people who say they are "pro life" but say at the same thing that they support "a woman's right to choose." I was reminded of that over the past few days as I saw talking heads take that position. Also saw Tim Kaine take that position during an interview.

Here is a link the Gallup polling on pro life vs. pro choice: https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx

So, OK, in 2021 49% of respondents said they were Pro choice and 47% said they were Pro life. But it's pretty certain that some number of those who said they are Pro life are people who also support a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses to do so.
Which is why kicking it to the states (rightfully so) isn't going to really move the needle at all.
I think the idea is there are a number of “pro-life” voters who are in fact pro-choice. And they live in all states.
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