Biden’s Scorecard

[houndawg]

At a certain point, and it's when you're on either side of 50%, it's stupid to put a positive spin on it. He has a 60% disapproval rate, lets not make it sound more positive than it is. And he's only marginally worse that Trump, probably within the margin of error? That's great company. What a disaster.

Certainly right up there for the two worst, back to back Presidents, in our history. Other than the folks in the 1850's, I don't think there's even any competition for the worst successive two Presidents. And frankly, Biden is carrying his own weight in this and then some. Never imagined he could be this bad.

Luckiest break he's ever had was following the worst President we've ever had. He ain't much but he ain't a traitor either. No Oval Office meetings with Russian Intelligence and no other American present.

[Ibanez]

Certainly right up there for the two worst, back to back Presidents, in our history. Other than the folks in the 1850's, I don't think there's even any competition for the worst successive two Presidents. And frankly, Biden is carrying his own weight in this and then some. Never imagined he could be this bad.

Luckiest break he's ever had was following the worst President we've ever had. He ain't much but he ain't a traitor either. No Oval Office meetings with Russian Intelligence and no other American present.

Biden will be battling DJT for last place and will likely take it. His handling and misreading of inflation is his Hoover moment.

[Winterborn]

Luckiest break he's ever had was following the worst President we've ever had. He ain't much but he ain't a traitor either. No Oval Office meetings with Russian Intelligence and no other American present.

Biden will be battling DJT for last place and will likely take it. His handling and misreading of inflation is his Hoover moment.

He has passed Trump already in my book and that took some doing. Good news he has another 2+ years to get further ahead in the rankings.

[Ibanez]

Biden will be battling DJT for last place and will likely take it. His handling and misreading of inflation is his Hoover moment.

He has passed Trump already in my book and that took some doing. Good news he has another 2+ years to get further ahead in the rankings.

It's like he's ahead by 12 TDs and it's not even halftime

[houndawg]

Luckiest break he's ever had was following the worst President we've ever had. He ain't much but he ain't a traitor either. No Oval Office meetings with Russian Intelligence and no other American present.

Biden will be battling DJT for last place and will likely take it. His handling and misreading of inflation is his Hoover moment.

He'll be remembered as better than he was when its all over, the Ukraine situation will give him some reflected glory. Just the opposite for Trump - as time goes by we'll find out it was even worse than we thought in his case. Especially if the translator whose notes were confiscated in Helsinki ever talks.

[Winterborn]

He has passed Trump already in my book and that took some doing. Good news he has another 2+ years to get further ahead in the rankings.

It's like he's ahead by 12 TDs and it's not even halftime

My guess is the coach is not going to invoke the mercy rule and continue to run up the score.

[houndawg]

Biden will be battling DJT for last place and will likely take it. His handling and misreading of inflation is his Hoover moment.

He has passed Trump already in my book and that took some doing. Good news he has another 2+ years to get further ahead in the rankings.

Appreciate his efforts but Trump will blow by him like the Enterprise on warp-drive if he returns to power. We're talking Muhammad Ali vs. Pee Wee Herman here.

[GannonFan]

Biden will be battling DJT for last place and will likely take it. His handling and misreading of inflation is his Hoover moment.

He'll be remembered as better than he was when its all over, the Ukraine situation will give him some reflected glory. Just the opposite for Trump - as time goes by we'll find out it was even worse than we thought in his case. Especially if the translator whose notes were confiscated in Helsinki ever talks.

The thing is, you keep bringing up Trump as being a puppet for the Russians as his biggest negative, yet the further and further we get from his time in office the more we see that regardless of what happened or not behind closed doors, publicly, in words and in policy, Trump was anything but a puppet for the Russians. Maybe that was all just him not following through, maybe he was just really bad at being a puppet, but if Russia thought he was a puppet they had to be really pissed off with how it turned out.

Trump will never be a highly rated President. True, there are quite a many things he did, intentional or not, that will be marks in his favor. Heck, the 2017 tax reform will look like genius when all is said and done. But not everything was great, and he diminished so much of it with his bravado and brashness and just overall meanness. When you're a leader and more than half of the country hates you, then you haven't done your job. His response to COVID was a public relations disaster, no matter how fast vaccines got to market. And screaming and kicking on the way out of office didn't do him any favors either.

With all that said, it's amazing that Biden had that to follow and has managed, in just a year and a half, to actually be worse than Trump. And Biden has done it without even being a despicable person like Trump was, but what he doesn't have in despicableness he has even more in incompetence. It's possible that he could be the most economically illiterate President we've ever had. And while he gets some points for leading with the Ukraine issue, he would've gotten so much more if he had been able to maneuver Putin not to even invade in the first place. This is like the best of a bad outcome, and it could still go south from here. He's not even two years into the job, and given his age and his declining mental state it's going to be very hard for him to course correct, but Biden is clearly, at this stage, the worst President in my lifetime, and can go toe to toe with some of the very worst we've had.

Although houndy is right - give Trump another 4 years and he could give Joe a run for his money for that bottom spot.

[Ibanez]

He'll be remembered as better than he was when its all over, the Ukraine situation will give him some reflected glory. Just the opposite for Trump - as time goes by we'll find out it was even worse than we thought in his case. Especially if the translator whose notes were confiscated in Helsinki ever talks.

The thing is, you keep bringing up Trump as being a puppet for the Russians as his biggest negative, yet the further and further we get from his time in office the more we see that regardless of what happened or not behind closed doors, publicly, in words and in policy, Trump was anything but a puppet for the Russians. Maybe that was all just him not following through, maybe he was just really bad at being a puppet, but if Russia thought he was a puppet they had to be really pissed off with how it turned out.

Trump will never be a highly rated President. True, there are quite a many things he did, intentional or not, that will be marks in his favor. Heck, the 2017 tax reform will look like genius when all is said and done. But not everything was great, and he diminished so much of it with his bravado and brashness and just overall meanness. When you're a leader and more than half of the country hates you, then you haven't done your job. His response to COVID was a public relations disaster, no matter how fast vaccines got to market. And screaming and kicking on the way out of office didn't do him any favors either.

With all that said, it's amazing that Biden had that to follow and has managed, in just a year and a half, to actually be worse than Trump. And Biden has done it without even being a despicable person like Trump was, but what he doesn't have in despicableness he has even more in incompetence. It's possible that he could be the most economically illiterate President we've ever had. And while he gets some points for leading with the Ukraine issue, he would've gotten so much more if he had been able to maneuver Putin not to even invade in the first place. This is like the best of a bad outcome, and it could still go south from here. He's not even two years into the job, and given his age and his declining mental state it's going to be very hard for him to course correct, but Biden is clearly, at this stage, the worst President in my lifetime, and can go toe to toe with some of the very worst we've had.

Although houndy is right - give Trump another 4 years and he could give Joe a run for his money for that bottom spot.

His inaction on inflation has been mind boggling. He and Hoover are proving to be quite similar - inheriting booming, bull markets fraught with major underlying problems like supply and income inequality. Hoover also seemed to have a lack of understanding, or at least confidence, in economics.

[kalm]

He'll be remembered as better than he was when its all over, the Ukraine situation will give him some reflected glory. Just the opposite for Trump - as time goes by we'll find out it was even worse than we thought in his case. Especially if the translator whose notes were confiscated in Helsinki ever talks.

The thing is, you keep bringing up Trump as being a puppet for the Russians as his biggest negative, yet the further and further we get from his time in office the more we see that regardless of what happened or not behind closed doors, publicly, in words and in policy, Trump was anything but a puppet for the Russians. Maybe that was all just him not following through, maybe he was just really bad at being a puppet, but if Russia thought he was a puppet they had to be really pissed off with how it turned out.

Trump will never be a highly rated President. True, there are quite a many things he did, intentional or not, that will be marks in his favor. Heck, the 2017 tax reform will look like genius when all is said and done. But not everything was great, and he diminished so much of it with his bravado and brashness and just overall meanness. When you're a leader and more than half of the country hates you, then you haven't done your job. His response to COVID was a public relations disaster, no matter how fast vaccines got to market. And screaming and kicking on the way out of office didn't do him any favors either.

With all that said, it's amazing that Biden had that to follow and has managed, in just a year and a half, to actually be worse than Trump. And Biden has done it without even being a despicable person like Trump was, but what he doesn't have in despicableness he has even more in incompetence. It's possible that he could be the most economically illiterate President we've ever had. And while he gets some points for leading with the Ukraine issue, he would've gotten so much more if he had been able to maneuver Putin not to even invade in the first place. This is like the best of a bad outcome, and it could still go south from here. He's not even two years into the job, and given his age and his declining mental state it's going to be very hard for him to course correct, but Biden is clearly, at this stage, the worst President in my lifetime, and can go toe to toe with some of the very worst we've had.

Although houndy is right - give Trump another 4 years and he could give Joe a run for his money for that bottom spot.

You and I clearly don’t read the same news or read the news the same. It’s a shallow dive to see Trump and Associate’s connections to Russia. Similar to world wide inflation issues.

[UNI88]

The thing is, you keep bringing up Trump as being a puppet for the Russians as his biggest negative, yet the further and further we get from his time in office the more we see that regardless of what happened or not behind closed doors, publicly, in words and in policy, Trump was anything but a puppet for the Russians. Maybe that was all just him not following through, maybe he was just really bad at being a puppet, but if Russia thought he was a puppet they had to be really pissed off with how it turned out.

Trump will never be a highly rated President. True, there are quite a many things he did, intentional or not, that will be marks in his favor. Heck, the 2017 tax reform will look like genius when all is said and done. But not everything was great, and he diminished so much of it with his bravado and brashness and just overall meanness. When you're a leader and more than half of the country hates you, then you haven't done your job. His response to COVID was a public relations disaster, no matter how fast vaccines got to market. And screaming and kicking on the way out of office didn't do him any favors either.

With all that said, it's amazing that Biden had that to follow and has managed, in just a year and a half, to actually be worse than Trump. And Biden has done it without even being a despicable person like Trump was, but what he doesn't have in despicableness he has even more in incompetence. It's possible that he could be the most economically illiterate President we've ever had. And while he gets some points for leading with the Ukraine issue, he would've gotten so much more if he had been able to maneuver Putin not to even invade in the first place. This is like the best of a bad outcome, and it could still go south from here. He's not even two years into the job, and given his age and his declining mental state it's going to be very hard for him to course correct, but Biden is clearly, at this stage, the worst President in my lifetime, and can go toe to toe with some of the very worst we've had.

Although houndy is right - give Trump another 4 years and he could give Joe a run for his money for that bottom spot.

His inaction on inflation has been mind boggling. He and Hoover are proving to be quite similar - inheriting booming, bull markets fraught with major underlying problems like supply and income inequality. Hoover also seemed to have a lack of understanding, or at least confidence, in economics.

The Hoover comparison is so spot on.

I don't think Biden has passed Buchanan yet but he's making a run.

Trump can still pull in front of Biden if he pulls a Cleveland and is re-elected in 2024.

You and I clearly don’t read the same news or read the news the same. It’s a shallow dive to see Trump and Associate’s connections to Russia. Similar to world wide inflation issues.

Yes Trump had connections to Russia but that does not mean that he was a Russian puppet. His administration's actual policy and actions were not consistent with that narrative.

[Ibanez]

His inaction on inflation has been mind boggling. He and Hoover are proving to be quite similar - inheriting booming, bull markets fraught with major underlying problems like supply and income inequality. Hoover also seemed to have a lack of understanding, or at least confidence, in economics.

The Hoover comparison is so spot on.

I don't think Biden has passed Buchanan yet but he's making a run.

Trump can still pull in front of Biden if he pulls a Cleveland and is re-elected in 2024.

You and I clearly don’t read the same news or read the news the same. It’s a shallow dive to see Trump and Associate’s connections to Russia. Similar to world wide inflation issues.

Yes Trump had connections to Russia but that does not mean that he was a Russian puppet. His administration's actual policy and actions were not consistent with that narrative.

Exactly - for Biden to catch up to Buchanan he'd have to let the country dissolve into civil war...and be a closet homosexual.

[kalm]

His inaction on inflation has been mind boggling. He and Hoover are proving to be quite similar - inheriting booming, bull markets fraught with major underlying problems like supply and income inequality. Hoover also seemed to have a lack of understanding, or at least confidence, in economics.

The Hoover comparison is so spot on.

I don't think Biden has passed Buchanan yet but he's making a run.

Trump can still pull in front of Biden if he pulls a Cleveland and is re-elected in 2024.

You and I clearly don’t read the same news or read the news the same. It’s a shallow dive to see Trump and Associate’s connections to Russia. Similar to world wide inflation issues.

Yes Trump had connections to Russia but that does not mean that he was a Russian puppet. His administration's actual policy and actions were not consistent with that narrative.

It might not be proof but it’s hardly a stretch. Aside from his public comments Russia represented a large part of his loans.

[UNI88]

The Hoover comparison is so spot on.

I don't think Biden has passed Buchanan yet but he's making a run.

Trump can still pull in front of Biden if he pulls a Cleveland and is re-elected in 2024.

Yes Trump had connections to Russia but that does not mean that he was a Russian puppet. His administration's actual policy and actions were not consistent with that narrative.

It might not be proof but it’s hardly a stretch. Aside from his public comments Russia represented a large part of his loans.

It's not a stretch but his administration's actual policy doesn't support the conclusion.

You jump to the conclusion that there is Republican malfeasance with much less proof then you do for Democrats.

[Winterborn]

The Hoover comparison is so spot on.

I don't think Biden has passed Buchanan yet but he's making a run.

Trump can still pull in front of Biden if he pulls a Cleveland and is re-elected in 2024.



Yes Trump had connections to Russia but that does not mean that he was a Russian puppet. His administration's actual policy and actions were not consistent with that narrative.

Exactly - for Biden to catch up to Buchanan he'd have to let the country dissolve into civil war...and be a closet homosexual.

Well he does have a habit of sniffing peoples hair.

[Winterborn]

The thing is, you keep bringing up Trump as being a puppet for the Russians as his biggest negative, yet the further and further we get from his time in office the more we see that regardless of what happened or not behind closed doors, publicly, in words and in policy, Trump was anything but a puppet for the Russians. Maybe that was all just him not following through, maybe he was just really bad at being a puppet, but if Russia thought he was a puppet they had to be really pissed off with how it turned out.

Trump will never be a highly rated President. True, there are quite a many things he did, intentional or not, that will be marks in his favor. Heck, the 2017 tax reform will look like genius when all is said and done. But not everything was great, and he diminished so much of it with his bravado and brashness and just overall meanness. When you're a leader and more than half of the country hates you, then you haven't done your job. His response to COVID was a public relations disaster, no matter how fast vaccines got to market. And screaming and kicking on the way out of office didn't do him any favors either.

With all that said, it's amazing that Biden had that to follow and has managed, in just a year and a half, to actually be worse than Trump. And Biden has done it without even being a despicable person like Trump was, but what he doesn't have in despicableness he has even more in incompetence. It's possible that he could be the most economically illiterate President we've ever had. And while he gets some points for leading with the Ukraine issue, he would've gotten so much more if he had been able to maneuver Putin not to even invade in the first place. This is like the best of a bad outcome, and it could still go south from here. He's not even two years into the job, and given his age and his declining mental state it's going to be very hard for him to course correct, but Biden is clearly, at this stage, the worst President in my lifetime, and can go toe to toe with some of the very worst we've had.

Although houndy is right - give Trump another 4 years and he could give Joe a run for his money for that bottom spot.

His inaction on inflation has been mind boggling. He and Hoover are proving to be quite similar - inheriting booming, bull markets fraught with major underlying problems like supply and income inequality. Hoover also seemed to have a lack of understanding, or at least confidence, in economics.

One could be doing things by throwing darts at a dart board and I do not think they would be this bad. And it is not all Biden's fault. It is like the White House is being run by an incompetent committee who only care about certain things and the rest of the day-to-day activities in running a country are not even being considered.

[GannonFan]

It might not be proof but it’s hardly a stretch. Aside from his public comments Russia represented a large part of his loans.

It's not a stretch but his administration's actual policy doesn't support the conclusion.

You jump to the conclusion that there is Republican malfeasance with much less proof then you do for Democrats.

Yes, and that was my point. Trump may very well have been intended by Russia to be the stooge that houndy likes to swear that he was. However, and for whatever reason, his time in office and the policies he pursued where almost always against the best wishes the Russians would've wanted. I'm not saying he wasn't cozy with the Russians, I'm not saying that he may not have been compromised by the Russians, all I'm saying is that time and time again he did things and pushed policy that were the diametric opposite of that. He may have been a puppet, but if he was, the Russians must surely think he was the worst puppet ever considering they couldn't use him as they may have intended.

[UNI88]

It's not a stretch but his administration's actual policy doesn't support the conclusion.

You jump to the conclusion that there is Republican malfeasance with much less proof then you do for Democrats.

Yes, and that was my point. Trump may very well have been intended by Russia to be the stooge that houndy likes to swear that he was. However, and for whatever reason, his time in office and the policies he pursued where almost always against the best wishes the Russians would've wanted. I'm not saying he wasn't cozy with the Russians, I'm not saying that he may not have been compromised by the Russians, all I'm saying is that time and time again he did things and pushed policy that were the diametric opposite of that. He may have been a puppet, but if he was, the Russians must surely think he was the worst puppet ever considering they couldn't use him as they may have intended.

Exactly.

Kalm sees smoke around a Republican and jumps to the conclusion that there's a raging inferno. But if there's smoke around a Democrat he wants ash samples and photographs proving there's a fire before he dismisses it as a small campfire.

[kalm]

It's not a stretch but his administration's actual policy doesn't support the conclusion.

You jump to the conclusion that there is Republican malfeasance with much less proof then you do for Democrats.

Yes, and that was my point. Trump may very well have been intended by Russia to be the stooge that houndy likes to swear that he was. However, and for whatever reason, his time in office and the policies he pursued where almost always against the best wishes the Russians would've wanted. I'm not saying he wasn't cozy with the Russians, I'm not saying that he may not have been compromised by the Russians, all I'm saying is that time and time again he did things and pushed policy that were the diametric opposite of that. He may have been a puppet, but if he was, the Russians must surely think he was the worst puppet ever considering they couldn't use him as they may have intended.

Which of his policies were diametrically opposed to Russia?

I suppose you could say almost, but not selling weapons to Ukraine. He owed the money. Manafort was practically an employee of the Kremlin.

Christ even McCain was involved with the Russians. So Trump was not alone but anyone dealing with the master strategist (and that includes much of Europe) is on the wrong side of history.

[UNI88]

Yes, and that was my point. Trump may very well have been intended by Russia to be the stooge that houndy likes to swear that he was. However, and for whatever reason, his time in office and the policies he pursued where almost always against the best wishes the Russians would've wanted. I'm not saying he wasn't cozy with the Russians, I'm not saying that he may not have been compromised by the Russians, all I'm saying is that time and time again he did things and pushed policy that were the diametric opposite of that. He may have been a puppet, but if he was, the Russians must surely think he was the worst puppet ever considering they couldn't use him as they may have intended.

Which of his policies were diametrically opposed to Russia?

I suppose you could say almost, but not selling weapons to Ukraine. He owed the money. Manafort was practically an employee of the Kremlin.

Christ even McCain was involved with the Russians. So Trump was not alone but anyone dealing with the master strategist (and that includes much of Europe) is on the wrong side of history.

If we're going to derail a thread about the Biden administration's results (i.e. abject failures) by focusing on past Presidents & Russia maybe we should go back one more administration and talk about the guy who said "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War's been over for 20 years" and then did little as the Russians took the Crimea.

[kalm]

Which of his policies were diametrically opposed to Russia?

I suppose you could say almost, but not selling weapons to Ukraine. He owed the money. Manafort was practically an employee of the Kremlin.

Christ even McCain was involved with the Russians. So Trump was not alone but anyone dealing with the master strategist (and that includes much of Europe) is on the wrong side of history.

If we're going to derail a thread about the Biden administration's results (i.e. abject failures) by focusing on past Presidents & Russia maybe we should go back one more administration and talk about the guy who said "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War's been over for 20 years" and then did little as the Russians took the Crimea.

Hey, I agree. And it’s tough to not create a scorecard without considering past administrations as a comparison.

“Well then how do you measure yourself against other golfers, Ty?”

“By height.”

[SDHornet]

It might not be proof but it’s hardly a stretch. Aside from his public comments Russia represented a large part of his loans.

It's not a stretch but his administration's actual policy doesn't support the conclusion.

You jump to the conclusion that there is Republican malfeasance with much less proof then you do for Democrats.

We now know the "Russia Collusion" hoax was a DNC/Clinton generated narrative. Anyone pushing the "Russian Collusion" hoax (looking at you jelly) hasn't kept up on this and is just parroting msm narratives on that topic. Hell, even the former Obama Ukraine ambassador admitted that Trump's policies kept Putin at bay during his tenure. The "Trump is a Russian puppet" narrative doesn't hold any water when you look at the policies Trump enacted.

[SDHornet]

It's not a stretch but his administration's actual policy doesn't support the conclusion.

You jump to the conclusion that there is Republican malfeasance with much less proof then you do for Democrats.

Yes, and that was my point. Trump may very well have been intended by Russia to be the stooge that houndy likes to swear that he was. However, and for whatever reason, his time in office and the policies he pursued where almost always against the best wishes the Russians would've wanted. I'm not saying he wasn't cozy with the Russians, I'm not saying that he may not have been compromised by the Russians, all I'm saying is that time and time again he did things and pushed policy that were the diametric opposite of that. He may have been a puppet, but if he was, the Russians must surely think he was the worst puppet ever considering they couldn't use him as they may have intended.

Yep.

Oh and that highlighted statement basically means he wasn't a puppet.

[SDHornet]

Which of his policies were diametrically opposed to Russia?

I suppose you could say almost, but not selling weapons to Ukraine. He owed the money. Manafort was practically an employee of the Kremlin.

Christ even McCain was involved with the Russians. So Trump was not alone but anyone dealing with the master strategist (and that includes much of Europe) is on the wrong side of history.

If we're going to derail a thread about the Biden administration's results (i.e. abject failures) by focusing on past Presidents & Russia maybe we should go back one more administration and talk about the guy who said "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War's been over for 20 years" and then did little as the Russians took the Crimea.

[houndawg]

He'll be remembered as better than he was when its all over, the Ukraine situation will give him some reflected glory. Just the opposite for Trump - as time goes by we'll find out it was even worse than we thought in his case. Especially if the translator whose notes were confiscated in Helsinki ever talks.

The thing is, you keep bringing up Trump as being a puppet for the Russians as his biggest negative, yet the further and further we get from his time in office the more we see that regardless of what happened or not behind closed doors, publicly, in words and in policy, Trump was anything but a puppet for the Russians. Maybe that was all just him not following through, maybe he was just really bad at being a puppet, but if Russia thought he was a puppet they had to be really pissed off with how it turned out.

Trump will never be a highly rated President. True, there are quite a many things he did, intentional or not, that will be marks in his favor. Heck, the 2017 tax reform will look like genius when all is said and done. But not everything was great, and he diminished so much of it with his bravado and brashness and just overall meanness. When you're a leader and more than half of the country hates you, then you haven't done your job. His response to COVID was a public relations disaster, no matter how fast vaccines got to market. And screaming and kicking on the way out of office didn't do him any favors either.

With all that said, it's amazing that Biden had that to follow and has managed, in just a year and a half, to actually be worse than Trump. And Biden has done it without even being a despicable person like Trump was, but what he doesn't have in despicableness he has even more in incompetence. It's possible that he could be the most economically illiterate President we've ever had. And while he gets some points for leading with the Ukraine issue, he would've gotten so much more if he had been able to maneuver Putin not to even invade in the first place. This is like the best of a bad outcome, and it could still go south from here. He's not even two years into the job, and given his age and his declining mental state it's going to be very hard for him to course correct, but Biden is clearly, at this stage, the worst President in my lifetime, and can go toe to toe with some of the very worst we've had.

Although houndy is right - give Trump another 4 years and he could give Joe a run for his money for that bottom spot.

Stop the presses!

You might be right though, perhaps "stooge" is a better word. How you could watch him standing there like a beaten dog while Putin did the talking after their meeting, his only spoken lines being used to tell us that he believed Putin's version of events over the CIA's, and think that this is the guy we need negotiating with Russia is some kind of BDMBFK-level dissociation. But on the plus side, Putin is white..