Trump's Secret Documents. The World awaits.

[kalm]

Said every wrongfully accused man, ever.

[GannonFan]

Said every wrongfully accused man, ever.

Who's the "Sleaze"? This is like in the FCS thread where that one poster from out west has pet names for Big Sky and other teams, and no on this side of the Rockies has any clue which school goes with which pet name. Very confusing to rational people.

[UNI88]

FBI's Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit reveals how Trump may have compromised national security – a legal expert answers 5 key questions

It’s a little confusing – there’s been much talk in the media about classified information. Improper storing of classified information is a crime, but that is not what is being investigated here. A much more serious crime under the Espionage Act is at stake.

Even someone like a former president who initially had lawful possession of national defense information commits a felony by retaining that information after the government demands its return. Trump can not hang on to national defense documents even if, while president, he “declassified” such documents, as he claims he did.

If true, this flushes the whole "he declassified them" argument down the drain.

[kalm]

FBI's Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit reveals how Trump may have compromised national security – a legal expert answers 5 key questions

It’s a little confusing – there’s been much talk in the media about classified information. Improper storing of classified information is a crime, but that is not what is being investigated here. A much more serious crime under the Espionage Act is at stake.

Even someone like a former president who initially had lawful possession of national defense information commits a felony by retaining that information after the government demands its return. Trump can not hang on to national defense documents even if, while president, he “declassified” such documents, as he claims he did.

If true, this flushes the whole "he declassified them" argument down the drain.

That’s what I’m reading from other sources as well. It’s approaching treasonous levels and they still haven’t disclosed yet what they took from the August search.

[JohnStOnge]

One thing I wish we would learn as a nation from this is that we give way to much latitude and power to our Presidents. This is one more example of it. There is no way there should even be a question that what he did in this case is a violation of the law and he should go to jail for it. Also, a President should not be able to unilaterally de-classify things. There should be a process prescribed by law and things should be declassified through that process. The "Nation of Laws and Not of Men" thing should apply here.

Whether one thinks Trump is a threat or not (as I do), just as a general matter we should not have a system where a President COULD declassify a bunch of sensitive stuff then take it out the door with him so that he could use it to do things like attempt to make money with the information.

There are all sorts of other things associated with our allowing Presidents too much deference and power. That extra-Constitutional idea that they can't be prosecuted for a crime or subject to civil lawsuits while they are in office is one thing that comes to mind. But this unilateral authority to declassify is what's in the news right now.

The President is not a king. They are the chief executive of the Executive Branch. They should be subject to all of the laws and restrictions that any other citizen is subject to. Frankly, I think they ought to have to get a security clearance like any other citizen authorized to look at top secret information has to go through and if they can't get it tough. If they couldn't get through whatever the process is that leads to a security clearance they shouldn't be President. The fact that they are the Chief Executive does not...at least should not mean...that they are not subject to all of the rules and restrictions that everybody else in the Executive Branch is subject to. And that includes all the Ethics rules and restrictions.

[houndawg]

FBI's Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit reveals how Trump may have compromised national security – a legal expert answers 5 key questions



If true, this flushes the whole "he declassified them" argument down the drain.

That’s what I’m reading from other sources as well. It’s approaching treasonous levels and they still haven’t disclosed yet what they took from the August search.

That Reality girl got 5 years for one document, if I recall correctly.

[Baldy]

[BDKJMU]

FBI's Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit reveals how Trump may have compromised national security – a legal expert answers 5 key questions



If true, this flushes the whole "he declassified them" argument down the drain.

That’s what I’m reading from other sources as well. It’s approaching treasonous levels and they still haven’t disclosed yet what they took from the August search.

[BDKJMU]

That’s what I’m reading from other sources as well. It’s approaching treasonous levels and they still haven’t disclosed yet what they took from the August search.

That Reality girl got 5 years for one document, if I recall correctly.

Sandy Berger stuffed 5 docs into his socks and pants, was charged with unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives, and got a 50k fine & 2 yrs probation..

[BDKJMU]

[Skjellyfetti]

That Reality girl got 5 years for one document, if I recall correctly.

Sandy Berger stuffed 5 docs into his socks and pants, was charged with unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives, and got a 50k fine & 2 yrs probation..

That was before Trump signed a law that upgraded it to a felony.

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison. When former CIA Director David Petraeus was charged in 2015 with mishandling classified data, he pleaded guilty under this statute to avoid a felony charge, as Politico pointed out. A similar situation unfolded a decade earlier, when former national security adviser Samuel Berger pleaded guilty to removing terrorism-related materials from the National Archives in 2005.

Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-made-fel ... 04317.html

[SeattleGriz]

Sandy Berger stuffed 5 docs into his socks and pants, was charged with unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives, and got a 50k fine & 2 yrs probation..

That was before Trump signed a law that upgraded it to a felony.

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison. When former CIA Director David Petraeus was charged in 2015 with mishandling classified data, he pleaded guilty under this statute to avoid a felony charge, as Politico pointed out. A similar situation unfolded a decade earlier, when former national security adviser Samuel Berger pleaded guilty to removing terrorism-related materials from the National Archives in 2005.

Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-made-fel ... 04317.html

Holy moly. Yahoo Sports must be hurting for articles! Not knocking your post, just had to laugh at it being on a sports page.

[UNI88]

That was before Trump signed a law that upgraded it to a felony.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-made-fel ... 04317.html

Holy moly. Yahoo Sports must be hurting for articles! Not knocking your post, just had to laugh at it being on a sports page.

Yahoo has links to news articles sprinkled in with their sports articles, links to sports articles sprinkled in with their news articles, etc.

Here's a link to the same article but from the News section:
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-made-felon ... 04317.html

[BDKJMU]

Pretty much proof that the DOJ & FBI are corrupt..

[kalm]

Pretty much proof that the DOJ & FBI are corrupt..

Fun!

[kalm]

[BDKJMU]

So the Guardian is claiming to have seen the unredacted document?

[kalm]

The connection between dozens of CIA informants taken out last year and the humanint at Mara Lago seems to be gaining speed.

[BDKJMU]

So the Guardian is claiming to have seen the unredacted document?

Like I thought, claims about a document you haven’t seen are worthless without named sources..

[houndawg]

That Reality girl got 5 years for one document, if I recall correctly.

Sandy Berger stuffed 5 docs into his socks and pants, was charged with unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives, and got a 50k fine & 2 yrs probation..

What was their classification?

[houndawg]

So the Guardian is claiming to have seen the unredacted document?

Like I thought, claims about a document you haven’t seen are worthless without named sources..

Don't worry. Before long Donnie the Weasel will be raining named sources in a last ditch effort to avoid the Big House

[kalm]

So the Guardian is claiming to have seen the unredacted document?

Like I thought, claims about a document you haven’t seen are worthless without named sources..

You don’t think Hugo Lowell is reporting on something that’s been seen in the document?

[houndawg]

Sandy Berger stuffed 5 docs into his socks and pants, was charged with unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives, and got a 50k fine & 2 yrs probation..

That was before Trump signed a law that upgraded it to a felony.

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison. When former CIA Director David Petraeus was charged in 2015 with mishandling classified data, he pleaded guilty under this statute to avoid a felony charge, as Politico pointed out. A similar situation unfolded a decade earlier, when former national security adviser Samuel Berger pleaded guilty to removing terrorism-related materials from the National Archives in 2005.

Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-made-fel ... 04317.html

I've already ordered custom batches from a local craft brewery for the event - dark beer lovers will be able to sip a Schadenfreude Stout during the sentencing and if stouts aren't your thing you can chill with an ice-cold Perp-Walk Pilsner....

[kalm]

That was before Trump signed a law that upgraded it to a felony.



https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-made-fel ... 04317.html

I've already ordered custom batches from a local craft brewery for the event - dark beer lovers will be able to sip a Schadenfreude Stout during the sentencing and if stouts aren't your thing you can chill with an ice-cold Perp-Walk Pilsner....

Kushner Kush for us sober guys.

[BDKJMU]

That was before Trump signed a law that upgraded it to a felony.



https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-made-fel ... 04317.html

I've already ordered custom batches from a local craft brewery for the event - dark beer lovers will be able to sip a Schadenfreude Stout during the sentencing and if stouts aren't your thing you can chill with an ice-cold Perp-Walk Pilsner....

Keep fapping about the thought of Trump being put in jail or prison. Neither is going to happen..