2022 Elections Thread

[Baldy]

Not to go all JSO, but there are studies out there that comparing race vs socioeconomics as predictors of crime, stating both are factors, but race is a bigger one. See the below "Race vs Economics as Predictors of Crime"
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/in ... and-crime/

Why is race a factor?

Race is a byproduct. It's a cultural problem.

[kalm]

This guy seems stable…

[GannonFan]

1) Do you have numbers handy to back that up? Who it’s going to, their income and age, and definition of middle class?

2). Trickle down can be reduced to capital preceding labor. Unless all of these college grads become captains of industry, your attempted gotcha falls flat.

will PPP money be forgiven too?

Quite frankly one of the dumbest comparisons to make and just evidence of the person making the comparison that they 1) have either no idea of what they're talking about or 2) are just trying to score political points with low information voters. In your defense, the White House was just as dumb on this.

PPP loans were 1)because the government interfered with the economy and mandated they close their doors and 2) begged businesses not to lay off their workers during that time and 3) were very clear from the start as long as the loans were to simply keep workers on the payroll through the government closures they could be completely forgiven. If the money wasn't used for payroll or if you laid people off anyway then the loans weren't forgiven.

Student loans were entirely about borrowing money to pay for an education, always with the understanding that they would be paid back with interest. Heck, the amount of videos and tutorials they have on the student loan websites describing what you were/are getting into couldn't be any clearer what you were signing up for.

Apples and oranges.

[BDKJMU]

Fortunately the courts will strike this down. Are 1/2 doz major lawsuits, with more to come. All it takea is one (likely conk appointed) judge in one of the circuits who will declare a nationwide halt/injunction to this, & then it will make its way through the courts with a 3 judge then full circuit then SCOTUS and be overturned in a year or 2.
Last week:
https://www.businessinsider.com/lawsuit ... nd-2022-10
Yesterday:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers ... r-AA136WSj

That didn’t take long. The 8th Circuit has placed an injuction against Brandon’s student loan handout.

[SeattleGriz]

This is bullshit. Ain't no fucking way shits gonna change in the Uniparty. Nobody's getting in trouble. This is just to drive turnout.

[houndawg]

will PPP money be forgiven too?

Quite frankly one of the dumbest comparisons to make and just evidence of the person making the comparison that they 1) have either no idea of what they're talking about or 2) are just trying to score political points with low information voters. In your defense, the White House was just as dumb on this.

PPP loans were 1)because the government interfered with the economy and mandated they close their doors and 2) begged businesses not to lay off their workers during that time and 3) were very clear from the start as long as the loans were to simply keep workers on the payroll through the government closures they could be completely forgiven. If the money wasn't used for payroll or if you laid people off anyway then the loans weren't forgiven.

Student loans were entirely about borrowing money to pay for an education, always with the understanding that they would be paid back with interest. Heck, the amount of videos and tutorials they have on the student loan websites describing what you were/are getting into couldn't be any clearer what you were signing up for.

Apples and oranges.

Bullshit, they will all be forgiven

[kalm]

Republicans are clearly better at messaging…

[Baldy]

Why is race a factor?

Race is a byproduct. It's a cultural problem.

Just as I said...

[kalm]

A positive thing for the Republican Party and the US in general…

[Baldy]

A positive thing for the Republican Party and the US in general…

[BDKJMU]

Republicans are clearly better at messaging…

What year are those stats? If not 2021, or 2022 (not out yet) then irrelevant.

[kalm]

Republicans are clearly better at messaging…

What year are those stats? If not 2021, or 2022 (not out yet) then irrelevant.

They are mostly irrelevant for several reasons. Why do you think they are?

[UNI88]

A positive thing for the Republican Party and the US in general…

Do you feel the same way about Democrats who are planning to vote for Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R) instead of Jamie McLeod-Skinner (D) to represent them in Oregon Congressional District 5.

Progressive extremist, McLeod-Skinner upset incumbent Kurt Schrader (D) in the primary and now the seat is one of the most contested in the country. Progressive extremist candidates are just as toxic as MAGAt candidates.

[Pwns]

"I can't believe the hoi polloi are concerned about their own well being when we keep telling them they have to vote how we say to save democracy."

[kalm]

A positive thing for the Republican Party and the US in general…

Do you feel the same way about Democrats who are planning to vote for Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R) instead of Jamie McLeod-Skinner (D) to represent them in Oregon Congressional District 5.

Progressive extremist, McLeod-Skinner upset incumbent Kurt Schrader (D) in the primary and now the seat is one of the most contested in the country. Progressive extremist candidates are just as toxic as MAGAt candidates.

Rural progressives who own and support family farms sound like good peeps. Then again, “progressive” isn’t a boogeyman term for me. Schrader at least on the surface sounds like big money driven crony capitalist, similar to Sinema or Pelosi.

What about Skinner should I be afraid of?

[UNI88]

Do you feel the same way about Democrats who are planning to vote for Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R) instead of Jamie McLeod-Skinner (D) to represent them in Oregon Congressional District 5.

Progressive extremist, McLeod-Skinner upset incumbent Kurt Schrader (D) in the primary and now the seat is one of the most contested in the country. Progressive extremist candidates are just as toxic as MAGAt candidates.

Rural progressives who own and support family farms sound like good peeps. Then again, “progressive” isn’t a boogeyman term for me. Schrader at least on the surface sounds like big money driven crony capitalist, similar to Sinema or Pelosi.

What about Skinner should I be afraid of?

Own family farms?

Skinner family criticizes campaign claims

“It’s time to clear up this nonsense about Jamie being part of our ranch family,” stated Bob Skinner, former president of the Oregon Cattlemen’s Association and current officer of the National Public Lands Council, in a press release distributed last week.

“She’s a California liberal who came out to the ranch a few months back and got a selfie under our sign."

I have no problem with true progressives who have an open mind, respect other views and want to move the country forward. I don't care for modern progressives who are self-righteous and sanctimonious, call those that oppose them fascists and want to force a failed economic approach upon the country.

[kalm]

Rural progressives who own and support family farms sound like good peeps. Then again, “progressive” isn’t a boogeyman term for me. Schrader at least on the surface sounds like big money driven crony capitalist, similar to Sinema or Pelosi.

What about Skinner should I be afraid of?

Own family farms?

Skinner family criticizes campaign claims

“It’s time to clear up this nonsense about Jamie being part of our ranch family,” stated Bob Skinner, former president of the Oregon Cattlemen’s Association and current officer of the National Public Lands Council, in a press release distributed last week.

“She’s a California liberal who came out to the ranch a few months back and got a selfie under our sign."

I have no problem with true progressives who have an open mind, respect other views and want to move the country forward. I don't care for modern progressives who are self-righteous and sanctimonious, call those that oppose them fascists and want to force a failed economic approach upon the country.

Well there ya go. Another politician.

There are still many modern progressives who I think you’d like but they’re likely not elected officials.

Fascists being fascist should be called out with the same fervor you call out “extremist” Trotskyite’s.

[BDKJMU]

"I can't believe the hoi polloi are concerned about their own well being when we keep telling them they have to vote how we say to save democracy."

Yeah, the left’s new sticht is Hitler campaigned on (among many things) fighting inflation, therefore campaigning on fighting inflation means you’re a NAZI.

[BDKJMU]

Own family farms?

Skinner family criticizes campaign claims



I have no problem with true progressives who have an open mind, respect other views and want to move the country forward. I don't care for modern progressives who are self-righteous and sanctimonious, call those that oppose them fascists and want to force a failed economic approach upon the country.

Well there ya go. Another politician.

There are still many modern progressives who I think you’d like but they’re likely not elected officials.

Fascists being fascist should be called out with the same fervor you call out “extremist” Trotskyite’s.

I take it ya’ll mean liberals..

[kalm]

Well there ya go. Another politician.

There are still many modern progressives who I think you’d like but they’re likely not elected officials.

Fascists being fascist should be called out with the same fervor you call out “extremist” Trotskyite’s.

I take it ya’ll mean liberals..

Whatever floats your boat. Labels are tricky.

[UNI88]

Own family farms?

Skinner family criticizes campaign claims

I have no problem with true progressives who have an open mind, respect other views and want to move the country forward. I don't care for modern progressives who are self-righteous and sanctimonious, call those that oppose them fascists and want to force a failed economic approach upon the country.

Well there ya go. Another politician.

There are still many modern progressives who I think you’d like but they’re likely not elected officials.

Fascists being fascist should be called out with the same fervor you call out “extremist” Trotskyite’s.

There are definitely progressives that I would like. I consider myself to be progressive. Most progressives aren't Marxists and want what is best for the country and it's people just like most conservatives aren't fascists and want what is best for the country and it's people. The problem is that the extremes on both sides want to hijack our country and turn people against anyone that disagrees with them. We need more elected officials like Murkowski and Manchin who have the backbone to tell them no.

[SeattleGriz]

Uh oh. Dems appear to be headed to losses and wouldn't you know it, the election is unsecure. Under unprecedented attack. Illegitimate elections!!

[kalm]

Uh oh. Dems appear to be headed to losses and wouldn't you know it, the election is unsecure. Under unprecedented attack. Illegitimate elections!!

NBC poll today shows the national numbers have tightened back up to within a point. Voter turn out is up too.

[JohnStOnge]

An update on an issue that is going to have a big impact in the context of public ignorance. Inflation. We can now use the Bureau of Labor Statistics calculator at https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm to evaluate what happened during September of 2022. The report was that inflation for that month was 8.2%.

But here is an update of what it looks like when you look at month over month inflation rates according to the BLS calculator:



A little bit of an uptick over July and August, when the CPI actually declined. But still just an annualized rate of 2.6%.

The delayed effect situation in the way we report inflation is crucial. If prices had not increased at all since June, the September inflation rate would have been reported as 8.0% because it is reported year over year. It was reported as 8.2% and people think that means we are still dealing with runaway inflation But we are not.

We are in a situation where it has become pretty clear that something has changed with respect to inflation. But trying to explain that to people is complicated. And Republicans benefit from the fact that most people are simplistic.

NOTE: If you want to use the BLS calculator to verify what I just typed, you have to type something like $1000 into "$" field then type in the years. For example, type $1000 into the "$" field and compare September 2021 to September 2022. You will get $1,082.02. that tells you that the CPI in September 2022 was 8.202% higher than it was in September, 2021.

[JohnStOnge]

Watching video of armed Republicans stationing themselves around drop boxes. How does any sane person support the Republican Party at this point?

This is not the Republican Party of even 10 years ago that I always voted for. This is a very dangerous, nut job outfit now.