2022 Elections Thread

[SDHornet]

Then why is it banned in Europe and most other developed countries?

Why are you liberals always trying to make the US more like Europe?

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[Winterborn]

I think he’s trying to say the Russian hoax was 100% fabricated.

It was blown way out of proportion (and subsequently used by Nancy Pelosi and company in a sham impeachment attempt to overthrow a duly elected POTUS) but it wasn't 100% fabricated.

Outside of some legit (ish) business deals, I am trying to think of what parts were not "made out of whole cloth" and coming up blank (not unusual these days ).

Going off of memory, there were some concerns on business deals but no more than anybody else of his position would have. The rest of it was BS.

[kalm]

It was blown way out of proportion (and subsequently used by Nancy Pelosi and company in a sham impeachment attempt to overthrow a duly elected POTUS) but it wasn't 100% fabricated.

Outside of some legit (ish) business deals, I am trying to think of what parts were not "made out of whole cloth" and coming up blank (not unusual these days ).

Going off of memory, there were some concerns on business deals but no more than anybody else of his position would have. The rest of it was BS.

Not exactly. Some was unrelated but not all of it. As a refresher….

Sentenced:

Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant in Ukraine.

Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill's California seat.

Richard Pinedo: The California man was sentenced to six months in prison in Oct. 2018 for selling bank account numbers to Russians who engaged in election interference. He has no known connection to Trump.

Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan: Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine.
Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.

Roger Stone: Sentenced to 40 months in prison for crimes that include obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. A federal jury convicted Stone last year after he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
Awaiting sentencing:

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn: The retired three-star general pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in Dec. 2017.

https://www.axios.com/2019/11/15/trump- ... stigations

[kalm]

It was blown way out of proportion (and subsequently used by Nancy Pelosi and company in a sham impeachment attempt to overthrow a duly elected POTUS) but it wasn't 100% fabricated.

Outside of some legit (ish) business deals, I am trying to think of what parts were not "made out of whole cloth" and coming up blank (not unusual these days ).

Going off of memory, there were some concerns on business deals but no more than anybody else of his position would have. The rest of it was BS.

And then this recent one:

“WASHINGTON — A Republican political operative and former campaign aide was convicted in federal court this week of funneling $25,000 from a Russian businessman to Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.

Jesse Benton was found guilty Thursday of six counts that included soliciting an illegal foreign contribution, attempting to cover it up and submitting false information about the source of the money.

Benton worked numerous campaigns, including as a strategist on the Great America PAC, a super Pac supporting Donald Trump's 2016 win, as well as the campaigns of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Rand Paul, both Republicans from Kentucky, and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/18/gop-ope ... aign-.html

[UNI88]

It was blown way out of proportion (and subsequently used by Nancy Pelosi and company in a sham impeachment attempt to overthrow a duly elected POTUS) but it wasn't 100% fabricated.

Outside of some legit (ish) business deals, I am trying to think of what parts were not "made out of whole cloth" and coming up blank (not unusual these days ).

Going off of memory, there were some concerns on business deals but no more than anybody else of his position would have. The rest of it was BS.

There should be a firewall between business and campaign activities. No one associated with a US Presidential campaign should be in a position that could be perceived as soliciting campaign assistance from a foreign power.

Most of kalm's examples are of people convicted of lying but not collusion. Jesse Benton is the exception but was he soliciting money for trump?

The flip side of this is that it was for the 2016 campaign. trump's opponent is infamous for her family foundation's soliciting "donations" from foreign powers. This is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Winterborn]

Outside of some legit (ish) business deals, I am trying to think of what parts were not "made out of whole cloth" and coming up blank (not unusual these days ).

Going off of memory, there were some concerns on business deals but no more than anybody else of his position would have. The rest of it was BS.

There should be a firewall between business and campaign activities. No one associated with a US Presidential campaign should be in a position that could be perceived as soliciting campaign assistance from a foreign power.

Most of kalm's examples are of people convicted of lying but not collusion. Jesse Benton is the exception but was he soliciting money for trump?

The flip side of this is that it was for the 2016 campaign. trump's opponent is infamous for her family foundation's soliciting "donations" from foreign powers. This is the pot calling the kettle black.

That was what I was thinking, low hanging fruit type of convictions (Take the pool of people that were convicted and expand it to their peers and I bet 3/4 of them are guilty of the same thing) and nothing related to what the original premise stood upon (that Trump was in bed with Russia and taking orders from them).

And I agree on the firewall and would expand it to include any politician, not just a President.

Yea, the tell for Hillary was once she was no longer in power, those "charity" donations sure disappeared fast.

[kalm]

Down with the pronouns!

[houndawg]

Down with the pronouns!

I'm disappointed in the memesters - combine this with Trump doing his spaz routine about the disabled reporter.... ah shoulda woulda coulda

[kalm]

[Pwns]

Thank you dumb**** UGA fans for that gem of a candidate.

[UNI88]

Thank you dumb**** UGA fans and trump for that gem of a candidate.

FYP - let's give donnie his due.

[dbackjon]

Mail-in is more secure.

Wrong.

It is 100% secure. We've used it in GOP Controlled Arizona for decades with no issues whatsoever. Idiots on here commenting on what they know zero about.

[dbackjon]

[dbackjon]

Thank you dumb**** UGA fans and trump for that gem of a candidate.

FYP - let's give donnie his due.

Yup.

[BDKJMU]

Sinema has left the donk party.

[Baldy]

Thank you dumb**** UGA fans for that gem of a candidate.

Any other candidate, especially Gary Black, would have won that race back in November going away. It was a slam dunk.

[SeattleGriz]

Wrong.

It is 100% secure. We've used it in GOP Controlled Arizona for decades with no issues whatsoever. Idiots on here commenting on what they know zero about.

When you say mail in, what do you mean? USPS delivering them, or voter drop box, or both?

[SeattleGriz]

There should be logs of whoever changed the printer settings in Maricopa county. Ballots were supposed to be 19 inches, but were printed at 20 inches, causing the tabulators to be unable to scan the ballot.

Was working fine the day before apparently and then all of a sudden, printers start spitting out 20 inch prints instead of 19.

Not to mention they apparently have chain of custody issues as well. Voting centers are supposed to have an accurate accounting of the ballots cast at each location. Ballots were simply thrown in a bin and taken to a different location without knowing how many were being moved. Big issue.

[kalm]

There should be logs of whoever changed the printer settings in Maricopa county. Ballots were supposed to be 19 inches, but were printed at 20 inches, causing the tabulators to be unable to scan the ballot.

Was working fine the day before apparently and then all of a sudden, printers start spitting out 20 inch prints instead of 19.

Not to mention they apparently have chain of custody issues as well. Voting centers are supposed to have an accurate accounting of the ballots cast at each location. Ballots were simply thrown in a bin and taken to a different location without knowing how many were being moved. Big issue.

Benny Johnson!

[kalm]

This guy!

[SeattleGriz]

This guy!

Exactly. You'd think he told everyone he was Native American to get a job at Harvard.

[Baldy]

This guy!

Does anyone else find it uniquely strange that Biden simps are all of the sudden upset when someone lies about their background.

[Baldy]

This guy!

Exactly. You'd think he told everyone he was Native American to get a job at Harvard.

...or survived a fire, had a son killed in Iraq, arrested in a civil rights march, arrested when he met Mandela, graduated at the top of his law school class, was once a truck driver, had a job at a timber company, raised by Puerto Ricans, etc. etc. etc.

[UNI88]

This guy!

Does anyone else find it uniquely strange that Biden simps are all of the sudden upset when someone lies about their background.

Kind of like MAGAts who are all of a sudden upset about lying in general?


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[BDKJMU]

Exactly. You'd think he told everyone he was Native American to get a job at Harvard.

...or survived a fire, had a son killed in Iraq, arrested in a civil rights march, arrested when he met Mandela, graduated at the top of his law school class, was once a truck driver, had a job at a timber company, raised by Puerto Ricans, etc. etc. etc.

Or lied about being appointed to the US Naval Academy.
Or lied about his reason for quitting the UD football team.
Or lied about attending an HBCU.
Or lied about receiving 3 degrees.
Or lied about teaching at UPENN.
Or lied about his family background while plagiarizing a speech.
Or lied about his wife and daughter being killed by a drunk driver.
Or lied about the # of times he was in Afghanistan amd Iraq.
Or lied about being shot at in Iraq.
Or lied about police being killed on 1/6..