The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

What?

I knew from the start and advocated for supporting UKR as they had less military capability.

So how’s that capability and capacity working out for Russia?

Have they won their 3 day military operation yet?

You argued with me that the US ran out of capacity months ago and will take years to ramp up. You said I was crazy. I showed you proof from US sources they are low on munitions and it will take years to build up capacity.

Putin never planned to win in three days. The advance to the middle of Ukraine was to freeze the 120k in troops ready to advance on the Donbass. It worked and now Ukraine is on the verge of being fully denazified and demilitarized because people like you without any skin in the game keep trying to promote a lie. 3 days my ass.

Ok

[SeattleGriz]

You argued with me that the US ran out of capacity months ago and will take years to ramp up. You said I was crazy. I showed you proof from US sources they are low on munitions and it will take years to build up capacity.

Putin never planned to win in three days. The advance to the middle of Ukraine was to freeze the 120k in troops ready to advance on the Donbass. It worked and now Ukraine is on the verge of being fully denazified and demilitarized because people like you without any skin in the game keep trying to promote a lie. 3 days my ass.

Ok

Oh, but you know for sure his plan was a three day victory.

[Skjellyfetti]

And you know for sure the blitz to the gates of Kyiv was a feint and they never wanted to take it?

[SeattleGriz]

And you know for sure the blitz to the gates of Kyiv was a feint and they never wanted to take it?

I know as much as everyone else, which is nothing when it comes to Putin's plans, but it's been hilarious to watch how wrong those who keep promoting "Putin's three day war" have been.

[SeattleGriz]

I’m not sure he understands how we’re not even sending our latest tech to deal with the Russian’s latest tech.

I bet we took a lot of shit out of the Patriots and M-1s and F-16s before we brought the Ukrainians in for training.

I stopped wondering how the Pentagon could possibly lose track of a couple of trillions in their audits the night I watched a satellite moving west to east turn 90 degrees on a dime and accelerate to the north.

F-16's aren't going to do crap. Even if the Ukrainians can pilot through S-300 or 400's, the maintenance is going to be ridiculous, especially on the older models they will receive.

[SeattleGriz]

So it sounds like Russia now has some border protection issues as well.

Deflecting from the loss of Bahkmut. A small “private” paramilitary force backed by former Chef with no military experience, forced Ukraine’s NATO-trained and supplied Army to retreat.

[houndawg]

So it sounds like Russia now has some border protection issues as well.

Deflecting from the loss of Bahkmut. A small “private” paramilitary force backed by former Chef with no military experience, forced Ukraine’s NATO-trained and supplied Army to retreat.

Whats your prediction for how much longer Ukraine can hold out before the master strategist installs his puppet gubmint in Kyiv? Six months? A whole year?

[houndawg]

I bet we took a lot of shit out of the Patriots and M-1s and F-16s before we brought the Ukrainians in for training.

I stopped wondering how the Pentagon could possibly lose track of a couple of trillions in their audits the night I watched a satellite moving west to east turn 90 degrees on a dime and accelerate to the north.

F-16's aren't going to do crap. Even if the Ukrainians can pilot through S-300 or 400's, the maintenance is going to be ridiculous, especially on the older models they will receive.

Russia can't even establish air superiority when Ukraine has little to no air power. And you don't seem to realize that the majority of the Ukraine military is using the same substandard equipment that the Russin prisoners are equipped with and still kicking the shit out of them.

serious question: How does a guy with your extensive background in special forces not understand the difference between a mercenary looking to collect a check and a man fighting to protect his home from invaders? I'm a bit surprised that you don't seem to get this

[kalm]

And you know for sure the blitz to the gates of Kyiv was a feint and they never wanted to take it?

I know as much as everyone else, which is nothing when it comes to Putin's plans, but it's been hilarious to watch how wrong those who keep promoting "Putin's three day war" have been.

Everyone who engages SG on this thread…the Volvo

SG…the Russian made Aurus Senat

[SeattleGriz]

F-16's aren't going to do crap. Even if the Ukrainians can pilot through S-300 or 400's, the maintenance is going to be ridiculous, especially on the older models they will receive.

Russia can't even establish air superiority when Ukraine has little to no air power. And you don't seem to realize that the majority of the Ukraine military is using the same substandard equipment that the Russin prisoners are equipped with and still kicking the shit out of them.

serious question: How does a guy with your extensive background in special forces not understand the difference between a mercenary looking to collect a check and a man fighting to protect his home from invaders? I'm a bit surprised that you don't seem to get this

You're pulling a Klam now and switching jerseys? Now Ukraine has no air defense...as I pointed out months ago but you said I was full of it?

The Wagner Group’s 32,000 fighters defeated a Ukrainian force that employed over 120,000 troops, inflicting 70% casualties on the Ukrainians, but you keep going with the Russia is losing narrative. You'll switch that jersey as well.

[kalm]

Russia can't even establish air superiority when Ukraine has little to no air power. And you don't seem to realize that the majority of the Ukraine military is using the same substandard equipment that the Russin prisoners are equipped with and still kicking the shit out of them.

serious question: How does a guy with your extensive background in special forces not understand the difference between a mercenary looking to collect a check and a man fighting to protect his home from invaders? I'm a bit surprised that you don't seem to get this

You're pulling a Klam now and switching jerseys? Now Ukraine has no air defense...as I pointed out months ago but you said I was full of it?

The Wagner Group’s 32,000 fighters defeated a Ukrainian force that employed over 120,000 troops, inflicting 70% casualties on the Ukrainians, but you keep going with the Russia is losing narrative. You'll switch that jersey as well.

According to the WSJ…20,000 Russians killed including 10,000 Wagner mercs.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said that around 10,000 former prisoners out of the 50,000 he recruited to fight in Ukraine had been killed, while an additional 10,000 regular servicemen from his forces had also perished.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/wagner-say ... t-f6d6ee11

[Skjellyfetti]

Ukraine is on the verge of being fully denazified and demilitarized

Counterpoint

[UNI88]

It worked and now Ukraine is on the verge of being fully denazified and demilitarized.

The russians are leaving?

[houndawg]

Russia can't even establish air superiority when Ukraine has little to no air power. And you don't seem to realize that the majority of the Ukraine military is using the same substandard equipment that the Russin prisoners are equipped with and still kicking the shit out of them.

serious question: How does a guy with your extensive background in special forces not understand the difference between a mercenary looking to collect a check and a man fighting to protect his home from invaders? I'm a bit surprised that you don't seem to get this

You're pulling a Klam now and switching jerseys? Now Ukraine has no air defense...as I pointed out months ago but you said I was full of it?

The Wagner Group’s 32,000 fighters defeated a Ukrainian force that employed over 120,000 troops, inflicting 70% casualties on the Ukrainians, but you keep going with the Russia is losing narrative. You'll switch that jersey as well.

Read it again but slower, I said they have little to no air power, not the same thing. Russia is facing a nearly non-existant Ukrainian air force yet they have no air superiority and are mostly relegated to launching cruise missiles from Russian air space. Contrast that with the US saving somebody from socialism: first thing we do is send in the fast movers and eliminate their air defenses and then we proceed to degrade their infrastructure with airstrikes. But the Russians can't do that - from that you should be able to deduce that Ukraine has pretty decent air defense.

[kalm]

It worked and now Ukraine is on the verge of being fully denazified and demilitarized.

The russians are leaving?

Ha!

[SeattleGriz]

You're pulling a Klam now and switching jerseys? Now Ukraine has no air defense...as I pointed out months ago but you said I was full of it?

The Wagner Group’s 32,000 fighters defeated a Ukrainian force that employed over 120,000 troops, inflicting 70% casualties on the Ukrainians, but you keep going with the Russia is losing narrative. You'll switch that jersey as well.

Read it again but slower, I said they have little to no air power, not the same thing. Russia is facing a nearly non-existant Ukrainian air force yet they have no air superiority and are mostly relegated to launching cruise missiles from Russian air space. Contrast that with the US saving somebody from socialism: first thing we do is send in the fast movers and eliminate their air defenses and then we proceed to degrade their infrastructure with airstrikes. But the Russians can't do that - from that you should be able to deduce that Ukraine has pretty decent air defense.

No, you read slower.

Russia has been using kid gloves since the beginning of the SMO. They aren't going to fly into Ukraine and bomb the shit out of everything American style because they'll have to eventually replace it, in addition to the SMO limiting what they can use in conflict.

[Skjellyfetti]

Good thing there's no rebuilding needed in any of these 'liberated' former cities/towns. WTF

Mariupol:


Marinka:


Bakhmut:

[houndawg]

And you know for sure the blitz to the gates of Kyiv was a feint and they never wanted to take it?

I know as much as everyone else, which is nothing when it comes to Putin's plans, but it's been hilarious to watch how wrong those who keep promoting "Putin's three day war" have been.

Everybody was wrong from the get on this one; nobody - not us, not Ukraine, not NATO, saw the invasion coming - everybody from Ukrainians at coffee shops in Kyiv to the media around the world were saying it was all sabre rattling by Putin. Followed quickly by "..the Russians won't even get dirty this will be over so quick.."

Everybody, but especially your side, keeps underestimating the Ukrainians, these are some seriously tough motherfuckers and they're fighting for their homes and families. They're extremely mechanically inclined as you'd expect from a major agriculture nation and they appear to have plenty of electronic engineering ability too. You should mention this shit to Putin while you're buffing his taint, it could save alot of Russian lives.

[houndawg]

Read it again but slower, I said they have little to no air power, not the same thing. Russia is facing a nearly non-existant Ukrainian air force yet they have no air superiority and are mostly relegated to launching cruise missiles from Russian air space. Contrast that with the US saving somebody from socialism: first thing we do is send in the fast movers and eliminate their air defenses and then we proceed to degrade their infrastructure with airstrikes. But the Russians can't do that - from that you should be able to deduce that Ukraine has pretty decent air defense.

No, you read slower.

Russia has been using kid gloves since the beginning of the SMO. They aren't going to fly into Ukraine and bomb the shit out of everything American style because they'll have to eventually replace it, in addition to the SMO limiting what they can use in conflict.

As 'jelly's posts of the cities clearly show

[Silenoz]

It worked and now Ukraine is on the verge of being fully denazified and demilitarized.

The russians are leaving?

The worse Russia does, the bolder he gets. It's truly fascinating.

[SeattleGriz]

I know as much as everyone else, which is nothing when it comes to Putin's plans, but it's been hilarious to watch how wrong those who keep promoting "Putin's three day war" have been.

Everybody was wrong from the get on this one; nobody - not us, not Ukraine, not NATO, saw the invasion coming - everybody from Ukrainians at coffee shops in Kyiv to the media around the world were saying it was all sabre rattling by Putin. Followed quickly by "..the Russians won't even get dirty this will be over so quick.."

Everybody, but especially your side, keeps underestimating the Ukrainians, these are some seriously tough motherfuckers and they're fighting for their homes and families. They're extremely mechanically inclined as you'd expect from a major agriculture nation and they appear to have plenty of electronic engineering ability too. You should mention this shit to Putin while you're buffing his taint, it could save alot of Russian lives.

Especially my side? The side that has been saying it isn't a fair fight from the beginning.

You don't get to switch jerseys either pal. You've been promoting the slaughter from the beginning as well.

[SeattleGriz]

The russians are leaving?

The worse Russia does, the bolder he gets. It's truly fascinating.

Still sticking with "Ukraine is winning"? How about you try to trot out another random guy on YouTube telling us how he's a "hard hitter", but yet his sources won't allow him to quote them by name.

A bunch of outnumbered "prison inmates" took down a much larger NATO trained force that had been preparing for over eight years, but sure, Ukraine is winning.

[SeattleGriz]

Good thing there's no rebuilding needed in any of these 'liberated' former cities/towns. WTF

Mariupol:


Marinka:


Bakhmut:

Did I say there was no rebuilding? Way to make up your own statement and then defeat it. Good job Obama Jr!!

[Silenoz]

The worse Russia does, the bolder he gets. It's truly fascinating.

Still sticking with "Ukraine is winning"? How about you try to trot out another random guy on YouTube telling us how he's a "hard hitter", but yet his sources won't allow him to quote them by name.

A bunch of outnumbered "prison inmates" took down a much larger NATO trained force that had been preparing for over eight years, but sure, Ukraine is winning.

wut? YouTube? Hard hitter? Who even knows what you're talking about.

After 8 months Russia finally accomplishes something.

Something being taking a useless pile of rubble that they desperately needed so that they could point to any sort of accomplishment.

All it took was throwing tens of thousands into a meat grinder, in typical Russian fashion.

Imagine rooting for those clowns because nAzIS!!! Rest assured, we're all shaking out heads at you.

[UNI88]

Russia can't even establish air superiority when Ukraine has little to no air power. And you don't seem to realize that the majority of the Ukraine military is using the same substandard equipment that the Russin prisoners are equipped with and still kicking the shit out of them.

serious question: How does a guy with your extensive background in special forces not understand the difference between a mercenary looking to collect a check and a man fighting to protect his home from invaders? I'm a bit surprised that you don't seem to get this

You're pulling a Klam now and switching jerseys? Now Ukraine has no air defense...as I pointed out months ago but you said I was full of it?

The Wagner Group’s 32,000 fighters defeated a Ukrainian force that employed over 120,000 troops, inflicting 70% casualties on the Ukrainians, but you keep going with the Russia is losing narrative. You'll switch that jersey as well.

I would guess that 32,000 is closer to the number of Wagner Nazi's killed taking Bakumut and must less than the total number of Wagner Nazi's involved in taking Bakumut.