Trump's Secret Documents. The World awaits.

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What are Trump's secret documents?

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:36 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:47 am Well lets see them! This should be good....
Lets see, The left labeled as conspiracy theories during the last 6 years that turned out to be likely true. Just the 1st 8 or so off the top of my head:
-Trump campaign was being spied on.
-Trump Russia collusion was a hoax.
-The lab leak theory.
-Epsrein didn’t kill himself.
-Twitter shadow banning and censoring the right
-The covid vax wouldn’t keep you from getting or spreading covid.
-That the left was going to try to try to force everyone to get the vax.
-Masks mandates were mostly useless in stopping the spread.
:dunce: You're throwing a lot of opinion out here like it's fact.
  • The only ones on here that are definitely true is the the trump campaign was being spied on and Twitter shadow banning and censoring the right.
  • While the special prosecutor was unable to prove that trump/russia collusion occurred, trump's team also didn't prove that it didn't.
  • The lab leak theory has been fairly questioned but not proven untrue except maybe in rightwing echo chambers filled with innuendo and not facts.
  • Epstein's death was suspicious but I don't remember reading about murder being proven.
  • Early in the pandemic there were things believed and said that turned out wrong. I think the real experts knew that the vax wouldn't keep you from getting or spreading COVID but idiots and politicians spread the misinformation. The left bought the lie.
  • Yes, there were some on the left that wanted to force everyone to get vaxxed but there were also reasonable leftist politicians who didn't. You're wrongly stereotyping an entire group here.
  • Early in the pandemic, requiring masks was a reasonable response to be on the safe side. It became foolish as we learned more and the many on the left continued to push for them.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:00 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:04 am
Wrong.

Trial in DC:
-Donk judge
-Donk Prosecutor
-Jury pool: DC: 93%, 4% Trump

Trial in Miami-Dade Co:
-Conk judge
-Donk Prosecutor
-Jury pool: 53 Biden/46% Trump.

One is a lot more balanced/fair than the other.
I disaqree.
  • You either don't include the prosecutor or you include the defense attorney which makes that a wash.
  • It's the defense team's job make sure the jury is as favorable as possible. It would be their (and trump's) fault if they were incompetent enouqh to allow a jury that is 93% aqainst their client to be seated.
  • I would think that the judqe holds a metric sh!t ton of influence in a trial like this so they're worth double or triple.
Usinq your judicial conspiracy theory approach trump has the advantaqe. The fix is in. The DoJ and the American people won't qet a fair trial.
I diagree to your disagree. In a political trial no way in hell are you going to get a jury as favorable when its 93-4 for the other guy vs when its 53-46 for the other guy. You only have a limited # of strikes. You can’t strike 93% of the jury pool lol.

So nope, the fix isn’t in if it stays this judge. And this political trial isn’t for the American people. Well it is for the American Democrat left. They and the DOJ will get more than a fair trial to convict Trump.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:28 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:00 am

I disaqree.
  • You either don't include the prosecutor or you include the defense attorney which makes that a wash.
  • It's the defense team's job make sure the jury is as favorable as possible. It would be their (and trump's) fault if they were incompetent enouqh to allow a jury that is 93% aqainst their client to be seated.
  • I would think that the judqe holds a metric sh!t ton of influence in a trial like this so they're worth double or triple.
Usinq your judicial conspiracy theory approach trump has the advantaqe. The fix is in. The DoJ and the American people won't qet a fair trial.
I diagree to your disagree. In a political trial no way in hell are you going to get a jury as favorable when its 93-4 for the other guy vs when its 53-46 for the other guy. You only have a limited # of strikes. You can’t strike 93% of the jury pool lol.

So nope, the fix isn’t in if it stays this judge. And this political trial isn’t for the American people. Well it is for the American Democrat left. They and the DOJ will get more than a fair trial to convict Trump.
The trial is exactly for the American people. Unless you believe in a two tiered criminal justice system.
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Fox News’s Turley: Trump could face ‘te ... one count
“The problem is, he’s got to run the table — he’s 76 years old,” Turley, a former opinion contributor for The Hill, said of Trump during an appearance on Fox News. “All the government has to do is stick the landing on one count, and he could have a terminal sentence. You’re talking about crimes that have a 10- or 20-year period as a maximum.”

Turley said the evidence laid out against Trump in the indictment revealed last week is “quite strong.”
Witch hunt :rofl:
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kalm wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:45 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:28 am
I diagree to your disagree. In a political trial no way in hell are you going to get a jury as favorable when its 93-4 for the other guy vs when its 53-46 for the other guy. You only have a limited # of strikes. You can’t strike 93% of the jury pool lol.

So nope, the fix isn’t in if it stays this judge. And this political trial isn’t for the American people. Well it is for the American Democrat left. They and the DOJ will get more than a fair trial to convict Trump.
The trial is exactly for the American people. Unless you believe in a two tiered criminal justice system.
The trial is for (all) the Amerucan people only if you believe there isn’t a 2 tiered cj system, and believe the trial isn’t political.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:56 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:16 pm

:dunce: :rofl:
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2 things:
1) this doesn't even scratch the surface of greatest political witch hunt of all time and
2) trump himself is at least 50% responsible for his "persecution" due to his behavior and the way he treats others.
All true, for sure. However, if and when Trump does get indicted for any of this, the DOJ would be well served to make sure what the distinction is in terms of why Trump is being prosecuted and the others aren't/weren't. If it's the willful resistance to comply with orders to return the material then that should be the charge. Having the documents in the first place is clearly not charge-worthy unless there's something we don't know - apparently everyone has classified documents when they leave office. In a country where both sides cherry-pick news stories to fit their own narratives and their own grievances, the DOJ here should be particularly careful of giving any credence to the idea that Trump is being indicted for something that others weren't. Trump's refusal to comply with law enforcement should be an easy way to skirt those ideas of selective prosecution.
Checking back on on this. I'm satisfied with the way the DOJ went about this. Again, Trump isn't being indicted for just having the stuff - as we've seen, it's likely every President before him had in their possessions at some point documents they shouldn't have had. But that's likely more an issue of how we pack up the White House at the end of an administration as well as an issue of how we even catalog all the confidential stuff we have. But where Trump deviated from those who came before him was 1) in the willful obstruction of trying to get these papers back and 2) in the flippant and basically careless way that he dealt with what he knew was confidential information and documents. You can't get around the fact that he knew he had stuff he shouldn't have and frequently stood in the way of those documents being returned, and you can't get around the fact that he was brazenly showing off his ill-gotten goods to people who had no business having access to them. At this point, he looks as guilty as possible and if I was his attorney I'd be looking for a plea deal or really hoping you can get an extremely favorable jury of 12 folks wearing red hats. The New York hush money case is weak and he'll win or get around that one - this one looks like he's busted.

As for selective prosecution, again, don't do #1 or #2 from the last paragraph and no one is filing charges. It's almost like Trump wanted to be indicted based on his behavior and actions throughout this. Crazy. :ohno:
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:15 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:45 am
The trial is exactly for the American people. Unless you believe in a two tiered criminal justice system.
The trial is for (all) the Amerucan people only if you believe there isn’t a 2 tiered cj system, and believe the trial isn’t political.
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African Americans faced a 2 tiered CJ system for 200+ years. The irony of you complaining about trump's imagined mistreatment after questioning the very real mistreatment of African Americans is :rofl:
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They BETTER NOT indoctrinate Trump tomorrow!

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kalm wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:46 pm They BETTER NOT indoctrinate Trump tomorrow!

maybe they'll innoculate him instead!
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GannonFan wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:44 pm
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All true, for sure. However, if and when Trump does get indicted for any of this, the DOJ would be well served to make sure what the distinction is in terms of why Trump is being prosecuted and the others aren't/weren't. If it's the willful resistance to comply with orders to return the material then that should be the charge. Having the documents in the first place is clearly not charge-worthy unless there's something we don't know - apparently everyone has classified documents when they leave office. In a country where both sides cherry-pick news stories to fit their own narratives and their own grievances, the DOJ here should be particularly careful of giving any credence to the idea that Trump is being indicted for something that others weren't. Trump's refusal to comply with law enforcement should be an easy way to skirt those ideas of selective prosecution.
Checking back on on this. I'm satisfied with the way the DOJ went about this. Again, Trump isn't being indicted for just having the stuff - as we've seen, it's likely every President before him had in their possessions at some point documents they shouldn't have had. But that's likely more an issue of how we pack up the White House at the end of an administration as well as an issue of how we even catalog all the confidential stuff we have. But where Trump deviated from those who came before him was 1) in the willful obstruction of trying to get these papers back and 2) in the flippant and basically careless way that he dealt with what he knew was confidential information and documents. You can't get around the fact that he knew he had stuff he shouldn't have and frequently stood in the way of those documents being returned, and you can't get around the fact that he was brazenly showing off his ill-gotten goods to people who had no business having access to them. At this point, he looks as guilty as possible and if I was his attorney I'd be looking for a plea deal or really hoping you can get an extremely favorable jury of 12 folks wearing red hats. The New York hush money case is weak and he'll win or get around that one - this one looks like he's busted.

As for selective prosecution, again, don't do #1 or #2 from the last paragraph and no one is filing charges. It's almost like Trump wanted to be indicted based on his behavior and actions throughout this. Crazy. :ohno:
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houndawg wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:39 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:46 pm They BETTER NOT indoctrinate Trump tomorrow!

maybe they'll innoculate him instead!
They could try unconstipating him.
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houndawg wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:39 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:46 pm They BETTER NOT indoctrinate Trump tomorrow!

maybe they'll innoculate him instead!
Even better…

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So has anyone read the actual indictment yet? I started it but now want to go back and finish.
Put together three basic pieces: 1) The bone-chilling nature of the materials unlawfully taken from the White House; 2) the apparent exposure of those materials at Mar-a-Lago; and 3) what we know from public reporting about security there and our nation's enemies whose agents may have breached it.

First, focus on paragraph 77. It lists, with brief descriptions, 31 documents, many of which have what are called "compartmentalized" Top Secret markings.

"There is no way for the brain to wrap itself around what is described in this indictment, the violation of sacred trust, a one-man demolition crew working against the American intelligence system that has been built, brick by brick, over 80 years."

"Compartmentalized" means "information about certain intelligence sources and methods.​​" "Top Secret" signifies information that would cause, if revealed, exceptionally grave harm to the nation's security. Compartmentalized top secret documents are kept in secure structures, or SCIFs — the fortified rooms that protect against electronic surveillance or other efforts by outside parties to obtain the information.

Examples on the list of materials that Trump took to Mar-a-Lago include documents "concerning nuclear weaponry of the United States," "nuclear capabilities of a foreign country" — which could be North Korea, Russia, China or Iran, we just don't know. The materials Trump possessed at his resort home included documents "concerning military attacks by a foreign country," "timeline and details of attack on a foreign country," and "military contingency planning of the United States."

These are materials that almost anyone hostile to the interests of the United States would love to get their hands on. Which is why they should never be held at easily penetrated places like Mar-a-Lago.

Second, the indictment describes — and indeed shows, via an abundance of photographs — boxes of documents stacked in exposed locations: A ballroom stage, a bathroom shower and in one instance, a Secret document "concerning military capabilities of a foreign country" that had spilled out of its box and onto the floor in a storage room. (The indictment does not say whether the room was locked at the time.)

Third, public reporting shows that in March 2019, a Chinese national named Yujing Zhang was arrested at Mar-a-Lago, carrying four cellphones and a computer thumb drive with computer malware on it. When detained, she claimed to be there to attend a nonexistent event. In her hotel room were "nine thumb drives, five SIM cards for cell phones ... and a device used to detect hidden cameras."

Not the usual uninvited guest.

In 2021 and 2022, a Ukrainian-born woman named Inna Yashchyshyn infiltrated Mar-a-Lago multiple times, using the false name "Anna de Rothschild." She was even photographed with Trump on the golf course. Yashchyshyn was reportedly associated with Valery Tarasenko, a Russian oligarch who lives in Florida.
https://www.salon.com/2023/06/12/never- ... ndictment/
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A solid breakdown of MAGA propagandism regarding the indictment.

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houndawg wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:20 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:36 pm
Now tell me
-what the classified e-mails on Clinton’s private e-mail server had.
-what the classified e-mails in Biden’s UPenn office had.
-what the classified e-mails in Biden’s beach house had.
-what the classified e-mails in Biden’s Wilmington house garage next to his corvette had.
They were all investigated by Republicans, so you should be able to google something like "conserative asswipe" to find out - let us know when you do, I'm curious too.

As for your pitifully feeble attempt to deflect from Trump's violations of the Espionage Act: it really doesn't even warrant a "gentleman's C", but we'll let it slide because we know you're going to be providing us with an assload of laughs for at least the next year. :thumb:
So now all of a sudden liberals like the Espionage Act because Get Trumpism. The Espionage Act includes stuff that isn’t espionage. Espionage as an act would be taking secrets and giving them to an adversary. That’s not even alleged here.

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Get ready for a LONG wait.
….But the complexities of handling highly classified evidence, the degree to which Trump's legal team challenges the government's pre-trial motions, and the way the judge manages the schedule could all lead to a trial that is anything but swift, legal experts say.

“In every case that I had involving classified information, we never had a speedy trial," said Stephanie Siegmann, a former chief of the national security unit of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Boston, who noted that the evidence-sharing process with Trump's defense team known as discovery could potentially take a year…..

….At the same time, his lawyers may want to delay the process for legal or political reasons by lodging objections each step of the way - a tactic he has used in the past.

…..Espionage Act cases like Trump's cases are especially complex because some of the key evidence presented during a public trial is classified.

As such, prosecutors need to balance two seemingly competing forces: The need to protect the nation's closely held secrets while still ensuring that Trump is afforded due process by having access to the evidence to help him prepare a defense.

Many other Espionage Act cases have hinged on a few classified records or even just one document, such as in Boston where a National Guardsman stands accused of leaking military secrets.

Trump, by contrast, is facing charges over 31 top secret or secret documents - a far greater number.

After Trump enters his plea, both parties and the court will need to follow a strict and meticulous set of rules set forth in a law known as the Classified Information Procedures Act to protect the classified records and manage how they can be disclosed.

"CIPA has so many different steps, that each one just by virtue of the fact it's a step takes an uncertain amount of time," said attorney Kel McClanahan.

These CIPA procedures will require Trump's defense team to obtain security clearances in order to view classified materials.

Deciding how classified evidence is shared, both to the defense team and to the jury, can get contentious and may lead to legal battles that will play out largely behind the scenes under seal. At times, some of those hearings by law must be conducted ex-parte, meaning Trump's own lawyers cannot be present.

Moreover, in Espionage Act cases, decisions on pre-trial motions related to classified evidence can be appealed - an extra step that is not usually allowed in most routine criminal cases.

If for example prosecutors seek to shield records that reveal battle plans or nuclear weapons secrets, Trump's team could agree it should be protected, or they could fight to make it public.

"Some defense teams would agree that that information has to be protected," said David Aaron, a veteran former Justice Department prosecutor now with Perkins Coie.

"But a defense team has every right to contest the idea of even protecting that at trial...They could go ahead and challenge every single argument the government makes."
https://www.reuters.com/legal/speedy-tr ... 023-06-13/

If this thing goes to trial, I’m calling early 2025…
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The media LOVES this. Wall to wall coverage FOX, CNN, MSDNC, NBC, CBS, ABC. Trump is good for business. Mixing in thousands of Trump supporters and protestors near the courthouse were hundreds of reporters, including from all over the world. The circus was in town.

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“Is the answer to the double standard to let Donald Trump escape scot-free? Is the answer to the double standard to revert to no standard at all?”

“I think that’s wrong,” continued Bolton, who became a vocal critic of Trump after leaving his administration in September 2019.

Bolton urged those Republicans — such as Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) — to “worry about the others later.”

“This is the decision before you,” he added. “I want Republicans who think Trump should be given a pass to say so explicitly. Don’t whatabout it.”
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:26 pm The media LOVES this. Wall to wall coverage FOX, CNN, MSDNC, NBC, CBS, ABC. Trump is good for business. Mixing in thousands of Trump supporters and protestors near the courthouse were hundreds of reporters, including from all over the world. The circus was in town.

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Trump raises $6.6M in 6 days after federal charges — after $10M in 5 days from NY case
https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/trump-rai ... m-ny-case/
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:38 am Trump raises $6.6M in 6 days after federal charges — after $10M in 5 days from NY case
https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/trump-rai ... m-ny-case/
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bobbythekidd wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:33 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:38 am Trump raises $6.6M in 6 days after federal charges — after $10M in 5 days from NY case
https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/trump-rai ... m-ny-case/
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So am I getting something wrong or did Trump already admit to the crime in his speech this week? He admits he had/has the documents, and says he’s covered by the presidential records act…which he’s clearly not…both in the case of actual presidential records he can choose to keep (must do so prior to leaving office coordinated with national archives) prior to leaving office or in the case of national security documents.
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Opinion: Republicans, take a good hard look at where Trump is leading you
The difficulty is that many Republicans are consumed with espousing “whataboutisms”: What about Joe Biden? What about Hillary Clinton? What about Pence? Here’s one: What about Donald Trump being responsible for his own actions? What about his absconding with intel secrets? What about the former president facing retribution for his lifetime of shameful and illegal behavior?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:46 am Opinion: Republicans, take a good hard look at where Trump is leading you
The difficulty is that many Republicans are consumed with espousing “whataboutisms”: What about Joe Biden? What about Hillary Clinton? What about Pence? Here’s one: What about Donald Trump being responsible for his own actions? What about his absconding with intel secrets? What about the former president facing retribution for his lifetime of shameful and illegal behavior?
Yeah, I'm going to take my cue from a CNN opinion piece.. :rofl:
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