I agree but it’s also wrong to not try and provide additional opportunities to improve their lot for people whose lives are crap because they were oppressed for 200+ years.
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I agree but it’s also wrong to not try and provide additional opportunities to improve their lot for people whose lives are crap because they were oppressed for 200+ years.

Pointing out who has been running the affected areas is placing the blame squarely on those most responsible. The buck stops with local leadership.

Not by doing reverse racism, which is what affirmative action is.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:12 amI agree but it’s also wrong to not try and provide additional opportunities to improve their lot for people whose lives are crap because they were oppressed for 200+ years.BDKJMU wrote: Its wrong to try to make up for past racism by having more racism in response.
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Discrimination in education, jobs, housing, etc. continued into my lifetime and had a significant impact on the ability of blacks to get a good education, jobs build generational wealth and set their children up for success. A larger percentage of blacks are starting their lives at a disadvantage because of past discrimination. Arguing that there is no significant discrimination now so we’re all good is a cop out.BDKJMU wrote:Not by doing reverse racism, which is what affirmative action is.
And most of their ancestors weren’t here 200+ years before Jim Crow ended. And many came to the US after slavery or after Jim Crow, and have been coming every year since.

If you think all of the blame lies with local government then you are ignorant of history and sociology. Read The Color of Law by Rothstein to start building an understanding of the actual situation.SeattleGriz wrote:Pointing out who has been running the affected areas is placing the blame squarely on those most responsible. The buck stops with local leadership.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:09 amIf you think all of the blame lies with local government then you are ignorant of history and sociology. Read The Color of Law by Rothstein to start building an understanding of the actual situation.SeattleGriz wrote:
Pointing out who has been running the affected areas is placing the blame squarely on those most responsible. The buck stops with local leadership.
If you don’t think DeVos and others want to gut public education then you’re either dense or overly dependent on partisan echo chambers for information.

That’s a cop out. Past discrimination has done far more to create ghettos where crime is high and hope is low than current leadership.SeattleGriz wrote:UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:09 am If you think all of the blame lies with local government then you are ignorant of history and sociology. Read The Color of Law by Rothstein to start building an understanding of the actual situation.
If you don’t think DeVos and others want to gut public education then you’re either dense or overly dependent on partisan echo chambers for information.Two ad hominems to start off with and you haven't given any substance. Just hand waiving and broad strokes.
I never said it all rested on local government, but they are for sure the largest controlling factor.

The blacks applying to colleges today were born around 40 years after Jim Crow ended.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:04 amDiscrimination in education, jobs, housing, etc. continued into my lifetime and had a significant impact on the ability of blacks to get a good education, jobs build generational wealth and set their children up for success. A larger percentage of blacks are starting their lives at a disadvantage because of past discrimination. Arguing that there is no significant discrimination now so we’re all good is a cop out.BDKJMU wrote: Not by doing reverse racism, which is what affirmative action is.
And most of their ancestors weren’t here 200+ years before Jim Crow ended. And many came to the US after slavery or after Jim Crow, and have been coming every year since.
To use a baseball analogy, more whites start on first base or better while more blacks are stepping up to the plate down 0-2 in the count.
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I don’t think affirmative action is the answer just like I don’t think having nothing and pretending everything is hunky dory is the answer.BDKJMU wrote:Well, as the left likes to call the ‘white adjacent’ Asians aren’t starting ahead, and affirmative action in education is discriminating against them.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:04 am Discrimination in education, jobs, housing, etc. continued into my lifetime and had a significant impact on the ability of blacks to get a good education, jobs build generational wealth and set their children up for success. A larger percentage of blacks are starting their lives at a disadvantage because of past discrimination. Arguing that there is no significant discrimination now so we’re all good is a cop out.
To use a baseball analogy, more whites start on first base or better while more blacks are stepping up to the plate down 0-2 in the count.
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No cop out at all. The local government controls the largest piece of fixing a ghetto, as they control the flow of money.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:31 amThat’s a cop out. Past discrimination has done far more to create ghettos where crime is high and hope is low than current leadership.SeattleGriz wrote:
Two ad hominems to start off with and you haven't given any substance. Just hand waiving and broad strokes.
I never said it all rested on local government, but they are for sure the largest controlling factor.
My education in the social sciences and experience in education is equal to if not greater than yours in health care so I’m not just pulling shit out of my ass or from some partisan echo chamber with an agenda.
Read The Color of Law and tell me how Rothstein was wrong/inaccurate.









Yes you didSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:16 amI never said it all rested on local government, but they are for sure the largest controlling factor.SeattleGriz wrote:
Pointing out who has been running the affected areas is placing the blame squarely on those most responsible. The buck stops with local leadership.

Except Jim Crow wasn't over when it ended.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:09 amThe blacks applying to colleges today were born around 40 years after Jim Crow ended.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:04 am
Discrimination in education, jobs, housing, etc. continued into my lifetime and had a significant impact on the ability of blacks to get a good education, jobs build generational wealth and set their children up for success. A larger percentage of blacks are starting their lives at a disadvantage because of past discrimination. Arguing that there is no significant discrimination now so we’re all good is a cop out.
To use a baseball analogy, more whites start on first base or better while more blacks are stepping up to the plate down 0-2 in the count.
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And as the left likes to call the ‘white adjacent’ Asians aren’t starting ahead, and affirmative action in education is discriminating against them.
Affirmative action is a relic that belonged, and should have been left in, the 20th century,




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