Culture Wars

[UNI88]

Let’s limit our review of history to starting with independence and ignoring the years of slavery prior.

300 s/b 250 or so.

As usual, BDKKKaren nitpicks a detail to attempt to discredit a concept that he can’t understand.


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Lol its not nitpicking to point out that our country doesn‘t have even close to the slavery history, and played a much smaller role in it, along with less of a history of racism, than most of the rest of the world. Something you either don‘t understand, or chose to ignore.

1619 - 1865 is 246 years. 1865 - 1968 (and it didn’t really end then) is another 103 so a minimum of 349 total years of slavery and oppression in what is the USA. 400 is an overestimation of about 15%.

And you’re moving the goalposts trying to compare how long we’ve had slavery & oppression in the USA to all of history.

The point is that we shat all over black people for 349+ years and now some morons use the fact that blacks are disproportionately poor as proof that they’re inferior so the morons can feel superior.

Goodman desantis and his fellow zealots want to whitewash history because the truth makes them uncomfortable. They’re cowards.


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[UNI88]

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[BDKJMU]

Lol its not nitpicking to point out that our country doesn‘t have even close to the slavery history, and played a much smaller role in it, along with less of a history of racism, than most of the rest of the world. Something you either don‘t understand, or chose to ignore.

1619 - 1865 is 246 years. 1865 - 1968 (and it didn’t really end then) is another 103 so a minimum of 349 total years of slavery and oppression in what is the USA. 400 is an overestimation of about 15%.

And you’re moving the goalposts trying to compare how long we’ve had slavery & oppression in the USA to all of history.

The point is that we shat all over black people for 349+ years and now some morons use the fact that blacks are disproportionately poor as proof that they’re inferior so the morons can feel superior.

Goodman desantis and his fellow zealots want to whitewash history because the truth makes them uncomfortable. They’re cowards.

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Anything before 1776 (or 1783) was mostly on the Brits, but also the French, and Spanish, because they ran the colonies, not the United States, which didn‘t exist. Fact is slavery existed in the United States for 80-90 years (using either 1776 or 1783 as a starting point), 1865 as the end point..So on the slavery your 300 years was overstated by about 350%.

[UNI88]

1619 - 1865 is 246 years. 1865 - 1968 (and it didn’t really end then) is another 103 so a minimum of 349 total years of slavery and oppression in what is the USA. 400 is an overestimation of about 15%.

And you’re moving the goalposts trying to compare how long we’ve had slavery & oppression in the USA to all of history.

The point is that we shat all over black people for 349+ years and now some morons use the fact that blacks are disproportionately poor as proof that they’re inferior so the morons can feel superior.

Goodman desantis and his fellow zealots want to whitewash history because the truth makes them uncomfortable. They’re cowards.

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Anything before 1776 (or 1783) was mostly on the Brits, but also the French, and Spanish, because they ran the colonies, not the United States, which didn‘t exist. Fact is slavery existed in the United States for 80-90 years (using either 1776 or 1783 as a starting point), 1865 as the end point..So on the slavery your 300 years was overstated by about 350%.

So the colonists who owned the slaves left in 1776 or 1783 and new ones came and took over the plantations? Or did they and their descendants stick around and continue to enslave, oppress and benefit from slavery?

Slavery started in the colonies that became the US in 1619. Arguing that it started in 1776 or 1783 is fake news that you probably picked up from some MAGAt yahoo echo chamber.


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[Gil Dobie]

In Hawaii many of the tours are calling Dole Plantation, Dole Farms, as not to offend.

[Baldy]

Oh noes its don't say gay all over again.

The part where they teach kids about the benefits of lashes and rape will be especially educational.

Like Kamala, you seem to be struggling again. The working group that developed the new standards was made up of BLACK educators. I'm sure they have nothing of any importance to add compared to lily white progressive Leftists.

Charles C. W. Cooke is a good starting point for you. He's an intelligent, pragmatic, level-headed voice on the right. He's a little more sensible than the bomb throwing Confederate cooler toting sociopath your usually like to link to...

Kamala Harris Is Brazenly Lying about Florida’s Slavery Curriculum

By Charles C. W. Cooke

July 21, 2023 2:24 PM

NBC reports that Kamala Harris intends to visit Florida today to criticize its new school curriculum:

In remarks Thursday, Harris blasted efforts in some states to ban books and “push forward revisionist history.”

“Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery,” she said at a convention for the traditionally Black sorority Delta Sigma Theta Inc. “They insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it.”

This is a brazen lie. It’s an astonishing lie. It’s an evil lie. It is so untrue — so deliberately and cynically misleading — that, in a sensible political culture, Harris would be obligated to issue an apology. Instead, NBC confirms that she will repeat the lie today during a speech in Jacksonville.

I have been trying to work out how best to illustrate the sheer scale of Harris’s falsehood, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way to achieve it is to list in one place all the relevant parts of the course about which she is complaining. So, below, I have copied and pasted every single reference to slavery, slaves, abolitionism, civil rights, and African Americans that is in the document. For those interested, the full curriculum (along with the curriculum for the teaching of the Holocaust) is here.

The list is extremely long. That’s because, pace Harris, there’s a lot in there. If you are able to read it and conclude that the single reference to slaves developing skills (which I’ve bolded) is indicative of the narrative direction of the course, rather than a tiny (and correct) part of it, then you are beyond saving and you deserve to live your life as an ignoramus. There is simply no way of perusing this course and concluding that it “gaslights” people or whitewashes slavery. Among many, many other things, it includes sections on “the conditions for Africans during their passage to America”; “the living conditions of slaves in British North American colonies, the Caribbean, Central America and South America, including infant mortality rates”; “the harsh conditions and their consequences on British American plantations (e.g., undernourishment, climate conditions, infant and child mortality rates of the enslaved vs. the free)”; “the harsh conditions in the Caribbean plantations (i.e., poor nutrition, rigorous labor, disease)”; “how the South tried to prevent slaves from escaping and their efforts to end the Underground Railroad”; the “overwhelming death rates” caused by the practice; the many ways in which “Africans resisted slavery”; “the ramifications of prejudice, racism and stereotyping on individual freedoms”; and “the struggles faced by African American women in the 19th century as it relates to issues of suffrage, business and access to education.” Many of these modules apply to Florida specifically.

Here’s the list. It’s 191 items strong. It contains the word “slave” 96 times, “slaves” 23 times, and “slavery” 45 times. I’ve pulled each line out in the order in which they appear, which is largely chronological. It starts with “the earliest slaves” and ends with “the integration of the University of Florida”:

[kalm]

The part where they teach kids about the benefits of lashes and rape will be especially educational.

Like Kamala, you seem to be struggling again. The working group that developed the new standards was made up of BLACK educators. I'm sure they have nothing of any importance to add compared to lily white progressive Leftists.

Charles C. W. Cooke is a good starting point for you. He's an intelligent, pragmatic, level-headed voice on the right. He's a little more sensible than the bomb throwing Confederate cooler toting sociopath your usually like to link to...

Kamala Harris Is Brazenly Lying about Florida’s Slavery Curriculum

By Charles C. W. Cooke

July 21, 2023 2:24 PM

NBC reports that Kamala Harris intends to visit Florida today to criticize its new school curriculum:

In remarks Thursday, Harris blasted efforts in some states to ban books and “push forward revisionist history.”

“Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery,” she said at a convention for the traditionally Black sorority Delta Sigma Theta Inc. “They insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it.”

This is a brazen lie. It’s an astonishing lie. It’s an evil lie. It is so untrue — so deliberately and cynically misleading — that, in a sensible political culture, Harris would be obligated to issue an apology. Instead, NBC confirms that she will repeat the lie today during a speech in Jacksonville.

I have been trying to work out how best to illustrate the sheer scale of Harris’s falsehood, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way to achieve it is to list in one place all the relevant parts of the course about which she is complaining. So, below, I have copied and pasted every single reference to slavery, slaves, abolitionism, civil rights, and African Americans that is in the document. For those interested, the full curriculum (along with the curriculum for the teaching of the Holocaust) is here.

The list is extremely long. That’s because, pace Harris, there’s a lot in there. If you are able to read it and conclude that the single reference to slaves developing skills (which I’ve bolded) is indicative of the narrative direction of the course, rather than a tiny (and correct) part of it, then you are beyond saving and you deserve to live your life as an ignoramus. There is simply no way of perusing this course and concluding that it “gaslights” people or whitewashes slavery. Among many, many other things, it includes sections on “the conditions for Africans during their passage to America”; “the living conditions of slaves in British North American colonies, the Caribbean, Central America and South America, including infant mortality rates”; “the harsh conditions and their consequences on British American plantations (e.g., undernourishment, climate conditions, infant and child mortality rates of the enslaved vs. the free)”; “the harsh conditions in the Caribbean plantations (i.e., poor nutrition, rigorous labor, disease)”; “how the South tried to prevent slaves from escaping and their efforts to end the Underground Railroad”; the “overwhelming death rates” caused by the practice; the many ways in which “Africans resisted slavery”; “the ramifications of prejudice, racism and stereotyping on individual freedoms”; and “the struggles faced by African American women in the 19th century as it relates to issues of suffrage, business and access to education.” Many of these modules apply to Florida specifically.

Here’s the list. It’s 191 items strong. It contains the word “slave” 96 times, “slaves” 23 times, and “slavery” 45 times. I’ve pulled each line out in the order in which they appear, which is largely chronological. It starts with “the earliest slaves” and ends with “the integration of the University of Florida”:

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

[Baldy]

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

Nice deflection Klamala.

Now do us a favor and compare the current list of books banned by the forward thinking DOE in California to the books banned in Florida.

[UNI88]

The part where they teach kids about the benefits of lashes and rape will be especially educational.

Like Kamala, you seem to be struggling again. The working group that developed the new standards was made up of BLACK educators. I'm sure they have nothing of any importance to add compared to lily white progressive Leftists.

Charles C. W. Cooke is a good starting point for you. He's an intelligent, pragmatic, level-headed voice on the right. He's a little more sensible than the bomb throwing Confederate cooler toting sociopath your usually like to link to...

Kamala Harris Is Brazenly Lying about Florida’s Slavery Curriculum

By Charles C. W. Cooke

July 21, 2023 2:24 PM

NBC reports that Kamala Harris intends to visit Florida today to criticize its new school curriculum:

In remarks Thursday, Harris blasted efforts in some states to ban books and “push forward revisionist history.”

“Just yesterday in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery,” she said at a convention for the traditionally Black sorority Delta Sigma Theta Inc. “They insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it.”

This is a brazen lie. It’s an astonishing lie. It’s an evil lie. It is so untrue — so deliberately and cynically misleading — that, in a sensible political culture, Harris would be obligated to issue an apology. Instead, NBC confirms that she will repeat the lie today during a speech in Jacksonville.

I have been trying to work out how best to illustrate the sheer scale of Harris’s falsehood, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way to achieve it is to list in one place all the relevant parts of the course about which she is complaining. So, below, I have copied and pasted every single reference to slavery, slaves, abolitionism, civil rights, and African Americans that is in the document. For those interested, the full curriculum (along with the curriculum for the teaching of the Holocaust) is here.

The list is extremely long. That’s because, pace Harris, there’s a lot in there. If you are able to read it and conclude that the single reference to slaves developing skills (which I’ve bolded) is indicative of the narrative direction of the course, rather than a tiny (and correct) part of it, then you are beyond saving and you deserve to live your life as an ignoramus. There is simply no way of perusing this course and concluding that it “gaslights” people or whitewashes slavery. Among many, many other things, it includes sections on “the conditions for Africans during their passage to America”; “the living conditions of slaves in British North American colonies, the Caribbean, Central America and South America, including infant mortality rates”; “the harsh conditions and their consequences on British American plantations (e.g., undernourishment, climate conditions, infant and child mortality rates of the enslaved vs. the free)”; “the harsh conditions in the Caribbean plantations (i.e., poor nutrition, rigorous labor, disease)”; “how the South tried to prevent slaves from escaping and their efforts to end the Underground Railroad”; the “overwhelming death rates” caused by the practice; the many ways in which “Africans resisted slavery”; “the ramifications of prejudice, racism and stereotyping on individual freedoms”; and “the struggles faced by African American women in the 19th century as it relates to issues of suffrage, business and access to education.” Many of these modules apply to Florida specifically.

Here’s the list. It’s 191 items strong. It contains the word “slave” 96 times, “slaves” 23 times, and “slavery” 45 times. I’ve pulled each line out in the order in which they appear, which is largely chronological. It starts with “the earliest slaves” and ends with “the integration of the University of Florida”:

Baldy, that's a nice list but it's just a list. There are no examples showing how the topic is actually covered. There's no proof that they haven't whitewashed a number of those topics. I trust Goodman desantis' administration to do the right thing as much as I would trust trump's, Biden's or the Hillary administration that thankfully never happened.

[kalm]

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

Nice deflection Klamala.

Now do us a favor and compare the current list of books banned by the forward thinking DOE in California to the books banned in Florida.

I’ll let you tell us.

In the mean time…here’s a good thread on the topic…

[UNI88]

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

Nice deflection Klamala.

Now do us a favor and compare the current list of books banned by the forward thinking DOE in California to the books banned in Florida.

Gotta link?

If I use Pen America, I find California with 1 banned book (This Book Is Gay by Juno Dawson) and Florida with 94 (by my count). There are another 143 that were banned pending an investigation and may have been returned to the shelves.

[houndawg]

1619 - 1865 is 246 years. 1865 - 1968 (and it didn’t really end then) is another 103 so a minimum of 349 total years of slavery and oppression in what is the USA. 400 is an overestimation of about 15%.

And you’re moving the goalposts trying to compare how long we’ve had slavery & oppression in the USA to all of history.

The point is that we shat all over black people for 349+ years and now some morons use the fact that blacks are disproportionately poor as proof that they’re inferior so the morons can feel superior.

Goodman desantis and his fellow zealots want to whitewash history because the truth makes them uncomfortable. They’re cowards.

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Anything before 1776 (or 1783) was mostly on the Brits, but also the French, and Spanish, because they ran the colonies, not the United States, which didn‘t exist. Fact is slavery existed in the United States for 80-90 years (using either 1776 or 1783 as a starting point), 1865 as the end point..So on the slavery your 300 years was overstated by about 350%.

None of which has any bearing on the point you missed, and all of which should be taught in history class.

[Baldy]

Nice deflection Klamala.

Now do us a favor and compare the current list of books banned by the forward thinking DOE in California to the books banned in Florida.

Gotta link?

If I use Pen America, I find California with 1 banned book (This Book Is Gay by Juno Dawson) and Florida with 94 (by my count). There are another 143 that were banned pending an investigation and may have been returned to the shelves.

'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned From California Schools Over Racism Concerns

Schools in Burbank will no longer be able to teach a handful of classic novels, including Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, following concerns raised by parents over racism.

Middle and high school English teachers in the Burbank Unified School District received the news during a virtual meeting on September 9.

Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.

Trash like "This Book Is Gay" is a layup. Anyone who thinks books like that shouldn't be banned from children's libraries probably needs to be put on some sort of pedo watch list or something.

While Leftists are whining about schools banning graphic novel porn that targets kids, you don't hear one peep outta them when states like California ban literary classics like The Adventures of Huck Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird.

[UNI88]

The Barbie boycott isn't going as well as the Bud Light boycott.

How long before we get memes with Barbie running over Cruz, Shapiro, etc?

[Baldy]

Like Kamala, you seem to be struggling again. The working group that developed the new standards was made up of BLACK educators. I'm sure they have nothing of any importance to add compared to lily white progressive Leftists.

Charles C. W. Cooke is a good starting point for you. He's an intelligent, pragmatic, level-headed voice on the right. He's a little more sensible than the bomb throwing Confederate cooler toting sociopath your usually like to link to...

Kamala Harris Is Brazenly Lying about Florida’s Slavery Curriculum

Baldy, that's a nice list but it's just a list. There are no examples showing how the topic is actually covered. There's no proof that they haven't whitewashed a number of those topics. I trust Goodman desantis' administration to do the right thing as much as I would trust trump's, Biden's or the Hillary administration that thankfully never happened.

If you and klamala would have read the article, you would have seen the link to the 200 some odd page curriculum.

[UNI88]

Baldy, that's a nice list but it's just a list. There are no examples showing how the topic is actually covered. There's no proof that they haven't whitewashed a number of those topics. I trust Goodman desantis' administration to do the right thing as much as I would trust trump's, Biden's or the Hillary administration that thankfully never happened.

If you and klamala would have read the article, you would have seen the link to the 200 some odd page curriculum.

This "curriculum"? It's really a list of all the standards (and not what I would consider curriculum) that Cooke searched through to find references to "slavery, slaves, abolitionism, civil rights, and African Americans" to create his list of 191 items. It looks like his link just goes to another list. Is there another link that I missed?

The "Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit" part of the standards is as braindead stupid as AB InBev deciding to piss off their core Bud Light customer base.

[SeattleGriz]

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

Nice deflection Klamala.

Now do us a favor and compare the current list of books banned by the forward thinking DOE in California to the books banned in Florida.

[UNI88]

Gotta link?

If I use Pen America, I find California with 1 banned book (This Book Is Gay by Juno Dawson) and Florida with 94 (by my count). There are another 143 that were banned pending an investigation and may have been returned to the shelves.

'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned From California Schools Over Racism Concerns

Schools in Burbank will no longer be able to teach a handful of classic novels, including Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, following concerns raised by parents over racism.

Middle and high school English teachers in the Burbank Unified School District received the news during a virtual meeting on September 9.

Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.

Trash like "This Book Is Gay" is a layup. Anyone who thinks books like that shouldn't be banned from children's libraries probably needs to be put on some sort of pedo watch list or something.

While Leftists are whining about schools banning graphic novel porn that targets kids, you don't hear one peep outta them when states like California ban literary classics like The Adventures of Huck Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird.

The Bible is also a layup. Lots of pornography and violence.

What about Kite Runner or Between the World and Me? What’s wrong with them?


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[SeattleGriz]

Like Kamala, you seem to be struggling again. The working group that developed the new standards was made up of BLACK educators. I'm sure they have nothing of any importance to add compared to lily white progressive Leftists.

Charles C. W. Cooke is a good starting point for you. He's an intelligent, pragmatic, level-headed voice on the right. He's a little more sensible than the bomb throwing Confederate cooler toting sociopath your usually like to link to...

Kamala Harris Is Brazenly Lying about Florida’s Slavery Curriculum

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

Florida made it so you can't buy certain books? That is some power.

[SeattleGriz]

'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned From California Schools Over Racism Concerns


Trash like "This Book Is Gay" is a layup. Anyone who thinks books like that shouldn't be banned from children's libraries probably needs to be put on some sort of pedo watch list or something.

While Leftists are whining about schools banning graphic novel porn that targets kids, you don't hear one peep outta them when states like California ban literary classics like The Adventures of Huck Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird.

The Bible is also a layup. Lots of pornography and violence.

What about Kite Runner or Between the World and Me? What’s wrong with them?


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Ezekiel 23 was especially hot when it was talking about the sisters Samaria and Jerusalem!!

[BDKJMU]

Hey! Look! Florida DOE has some black friends!

Cooke should have just provided a link instead of his 191 bullet point list.

Yes…I’m sure given Florida’s book bans and authoritarian control of universities that they were fair and balanced with the topic of slavery. I mean some good came from it right?

Florida made it so you can't buy certain books? That is some power.

Yeah I heard they also banned saying the word ‘Gay’ lol..

[UNI88]

The Bible is also a layup. Lots of pornography and violence.

What about Kite Runner or Between the World and Me? What’s wrong with them?

Ezekiel 23 was especially hot when it was talking about the sisters Samaria and Jerusalem!!

Do pastors from different denominations have different favorite passages when fapping?

[UNI88]

Florida made it so you can't buy certain books? That is some power.

Yeah I heard they also banned saying the word ‘Gay’ lol..

Here we go with another weak ass attempt by the KKKarens to say that books are only banned if they're banned throughout the state.

Sure if you use a loaded and extremely narrow definition of banned.





That blowhard desantis was full of shit when he said no books have been banned.

[UNI88]

Gotta link?

If I use Pen America, I find California with 1 banned book (This Book Is Gay by Juno Dawson) and Florida with 94 (by my count). There are another 143 that were banned pending an investigation and may have been returned to the shelves.

'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned From California Schools Over Racism Concerns

Schools in Burbank will no longer be able to teach a handful of classic novels, including Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, following concerns raised by parents over racism.

Middle and high school English teachers in the Burbank Unified School District received the news during a virtual meeting on September 9.

Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.

Trash like "This Book Is Gay" is a layup. Anyone who thinks books like that shouldn't be banned from children's libraries probably needs to be put on some sort of pedo watch list or something.

While Leftists are whining about schools banning graphic novel porn that targets kids, you don't hear one peep outta them when states like California ban literary classics like The Adventures of Huck Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird.

Let me follow up on this to ask is "This Book is Gay" a layup for banning from HS libraries?

And to say that banning classics like To Kill a Mockingbird, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Of Mice and Men, etc. is as stupid as banning books like Kite Runner, Between the World and Me, etc. LETTER TO THE BURBANK UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT

I come from a race of people for whom at one time in this country it was illegal to be taught to read…white people who taught Black people how to read were taking the risk of being punished…I think the same sensibilities that informed those people to make it a criminal act for Black people to read are the ancestors of the same people who are making it a criminal act for their own children to read and I don’t see a great deal of difference between that. There is some hysteria associated with the idea of reading that is all out of proportion to what…in fact happens when one reads.

— Toni Morrison, Nobel Prize laureate, on book banning, from PEN America’s “Evening of Forbidden Books,” 1982

[SeattleGriz]

Ezekiel 23 was especially hot when it was talking about the sisters Samaria and Jerusalem!!

Do pastors from different denominations have different favorite passages when fapping?