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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:26 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:05 am This seems to be the direction it continues to head…

Wow. That's quite a prediction that isn't even close to reality.
Isn't there a hole in the line where Wagner used to be? :coffee:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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The Ukrainians were probably hiding Nazis there…

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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:51 am The Ukrainians were probably hiding Nazis there…

Fake news, comrade. Eez vork of Moose and Squirrel
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houndawg wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:36 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:26 pm

Wow. That's quite a prediction that isn't even close to reality.
Isn't there a hole in the line where Wagner used to be? :coffee:
Wut?

Ukraine hasn't even made it to Russia's first defensive line. The elites and everyone who pushed this war sure do look stupid.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:29 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:36 pm

Isn't there a hole in the line where Wagner used to be? :coffee:
Wut?

Ukraine hasn't even made it to Russia's first defensive line. The elites and everyone who pushed this war sure do look stupid.
I agree.

Putin looks very stupid.

UKR, making it deep inside Russia…

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:29 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:36 pm

Isn't there a hole in the line where Wagner used to be? :coffee:
Wut?

Ukraine hasn't even made it to Russia's first defensive line. The elites and everyone who pushed this war sure do look stupid.
Putin is looking stupid while we make bank. :nod:


He was so locked into his plan to reconstitute the Soviet Union that when a crucial part of The Plan blew up in his face he was unable to change his course and now he's royally fucked and unlikely to survive this debacle of his own making. You know he spends every waking moment thinking about what could have been if Trump was still around to pull out of NATO.....so close but just a little too short for his tiny little fingers to grab the ring
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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houndawg wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:55 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:29 pm

Wut?

Ukraine hasn't even made it to Russia's first defensive line. The elites and everyone who pushed this war sure do look stupid.
Putin is looking stupid while we make bank. :nod:


He was so locked into his plan to reconstitute the Soviet Union that when a crucial part of The Plan blew up in his face he was unable to change his course and now he's royally fucked and unlikely to survive this debacle of his own making. You know he spends every waking moment thinking about what could have been if Trump was still around to pull out of NATO.....so close but just a little too short for his tiny little fingers to grab the ring
^ likely true. :nod:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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houndawg wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:55 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:29 pm

Wut?

Ukraine hasn't even made it to Russia's first defensive line. The elites and everyone who pushed this war sure do look stupid.
Putin is looking stupid while we make bank. :nod:


He was so locked into his plan to reconstitute the Soviet Union that when a crucial part of The Plan blew up in his face he was unable to change his course and now he's royally fucked and unlikely to survive this debacle of his own making. You know he spends every waking moment thinking about what could have been if Trump was still around to pull out of NATO.....so close but just a little too short for his tiny little fingers to grab the ring
Don't need to read past that. Your narrative is uninformed.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:55 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:29 pm

Wut?

Ukraine hasn't even made it to Russia's first defensive line. The elites and everyone who pushed this war sure do look stupid.
I agree.

Putin looks very stupid.

UKR, making it deep inside Russia…

Of the predictions you've made, how many have come true?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:40 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:55 am

Putin is looking stupid while we make bank. :nod:


He was so locked into his plan to reconstitute the Soviet Union that when a crucial part of The Plan blew up in his face he was unable to change his course and now he's royally fucked and unlikely to survive this debacle of his own making. You know he spends every waking moment thinking about what could have been if Trump was still around to pull out of NATO.....so close but just a little too short for his tiny little fingers to grab the ring
Don't need to read past that. Your narrative is uninformed.
:coffee:

If Trump had been around to pull out of NATO like he kept talking about doing, Putin would have pulled of the greatest political power play in history. It was a beautiful plan except that it forgot to account for Trump losing his attempt at re-election by a landslide. So close, but.....no cigar.....and now?........a quarter million troops dead, the Russian Army exposed - as little more than a disorganized mob constituted of convicted criminals and conscripts that couldn't join the brain drain quickly enough - and suitable only for combat against unarmed civilians, morale in the toilet all the way up to the Kremlin where everybody knows that the Blame Game is on, and that whatever else happens others will be sacrificed for Putin's colossal miscalculation before Putin receives his just desserts ....and Russia unable to prosecute Putin's Blunder much further without becoming a lap dog for the Chinese..........tick tock.....
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:46 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:55 am

I agree.

Putin looks very stupid.

UKR, making it deep inside Russia…

Of the predictions you've made, how many have come true?
I don’t recall making any other than this might not go well for your President(s).

Which is correct.

(And this ^ wasn’t a prediction.)
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houndawg wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:09 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:40 am

Don't need to read past that. Your narrative is uninformed.
:coffee:

If Trump had been around to pull out of NATO like he kept talking about doing, Putin would have pulled of the greatest political power play in history. It was a beautiful plan except that it forgot to account for Trump losing his attempt at re-election by a landslide. So close, but.....no cigar.....and now?........a quarter million troops dead, the Russian Army exposed - as little more than a disorganized mob constituted of convicted criminals and conscripts that couldn't join the brain drain quickly enough - and suitable only for combat against unarmed civilians, morale in the toilet all the way up to the Kremlin where everybody knows that the Blame Game is on, and that whatever else happens others will be sacrificed for Putin's colossal miscalculation before Putin receives his just desserts ....and Russia unable to prosecute Putin's Blunder much further without becoming a lap dog for the Chinese..........tick tock.....
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:34 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:46 am

Of the predictions you've made, how many have come true?
I don’t recall making any other than this might not go well for your President(s).

Which is correct.

(And this ^ wasn’t a prediction.)
No this isn't, but you keep buying and spreading the narrative things aren't going well for Putin. His approval rating is insanely high. The Russian people understand what is at stake with this proxy war.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:55 am

I agree.

Putin looks very stupid.

UKR, making it deep inside Russia…

Of the predictions you've made, how many have come true?
When you don’t achieve your goals/predictions just change your goals/predictions and say prior goals/predictions were just a feint - vlad “the soon to be impaled” putin
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:19 am
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Of the predictions you've made, how many have come true?
When you don’t achieve your goals/predictions just change your goals/predictions and say prior goals/predictions were just a feint - vlad “the soon to be impaled” putin
No. Look at what just happened. Zelensky was told if he did what the West told him to do, he'd get into NATO. The West just shit on Zelensky and denied Ukraine entry to NATO. He did everything he was asked, and it only cost him countless lives and his country.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:19 am When you don’t achieve your goals/predictions just change your goals/predictions and say prior goals/predictions were just a feint - vlad “the soon to be impaled” putin
No. Look at what just happened. Zelensky was told if he did what the West told him to do, he'd get into NATO. The West just shit on Zelensky and denied Ukraine entry to NATO. He did everything he was asked, and it only cost him countless lives and his country.
I don’t buy that anymore than I buy that the Russian advance on Kiev was a feint.

This is a war for Ukraine’s very existence and they know it. Any peace is a temporary peace while russia licks its wounds and rearms. It’s now or never for Ukraine and they’re not giving up.


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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:07 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:34 am

I don’t recall making any other than this might not go well for your President(s).

Which is correct.

(And this ^ wasn’t a prediction.)
No this isn't, but you keep buying and spreading the narrative things aren't going well for Putin. His approval rating is insanely high. The Russian people understand what is at stake with this proxy war.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:24 am
SeattleGriz wrote:
No. Look at what just happened. Zelensky was told if he did what the West told him to do, he'd get into NATO. The West just shit on Zelensky and denied Ukraine entry to NATO. He did everything he was asked, and it only cost him countless lives and his country.
I don’t buy that anymore than I buy that the Russian advance on Kiev was a feint.

This is a war for Ukraine’s very existence and they know it. Any peace is a temporary peace while russia licks its wounds and rearms. It’s now or never for Ukraine and they’re not giving up.


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You didn't watch what happened at the NATO summit?
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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:33 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:07 am

No this isn't, but you keep buying and spreading the narrative things aren't going well for Putin. His approval rating is insanely high. The Russian people understand what is at stake with this proxy war.
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Is that why you keep saying Putin will be removed in a coup or that the whole country hates him? Been wrong the whole time.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:24 am

I don’t buy that anymore than I buy that the Russian advance on Kiev was a feint.

This is a war for Ukraine’s very existence and they know it. Any peace is a temporary peace while russia licks its wounds and rearms. It’s now or never for Ukraine and they’re not giving up.


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You didn't watch what happened at the NATO summit?
I don’t believe Ukraine was promised entry in exchange for fighting for their existence.

The people you’re reading are just as biased as the people saying Ukraine is winning.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:53 am
SeattleGriz wrote:
You didn't watch what happened at the NATO summit?
I don’t believe Ukraine was promised entry in exchange for fighting for their existence.

The people you’re reading are just as biased as the people saying Ukraine is winning.
Then why did the US scuttle two peace agreements? You don't see the greedy neocons fingerprints on this? Gotta weaken Russia and most importantly, keep the money flowing! They don't have any kids over there fighting.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:51 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:33 am

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Is that why you keep saying Putin will be removed in a coup or that the whole country hates him? Been wrong the whole time.
I may have speculated he might be removed just like everyone is reporting on it/following it.

I’ve never said the whole country hates him.

Misattributing what I’ve said…how Russian of you.
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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:42 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:51 am

Is that why you keep saying Putin will be removed in a coup or that the whole country hates him? Been wrong the whole time.
I may have speculated he might be removed just like everyone is reporting on it/following it.

I’ve never said the whole country hates him.

Misattributing what I’ve said…how Russian of you.
Who is speculating he'll be removed?

This is Reuters last year. It's a year later, but Putin's approval rating is still around 80%. So who actually believes Putin will be removed that is being intellectually honest?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 022-04-08/
LONDON, April 8 (Reuters) - The proportion of Russians who trust President Vladimir Putin has risen to 81.6% from 67.2% before he ordered troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24, according to a survey by the state-run pollster VTsIOM published on Friday.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:17 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:42 pm

I may have speculated he might be removed just like everyone is reporting on it/following it.

I’ve never said the whole country hates him.

Misattributing what I’ve said…how Russian of you.
Who is speculating he'll be removed?

This is Reuters last year. It's a year later, but Putin's approval rating is still around 80%. So who actually believes Putin will be removed that is being intellectually honest?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 022-04-08/
LONDON, April 8 (Reuters) - The proportion of Russians who trust President Vladimir Putin has risen to 81.6% from 67.2% before he ordered troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24, according to a survey by the state-run pollster VTsIOM published on Friday.
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