Team Trump v/s Everyone

[UNI88]

kalm about anything related to trump's nefarious deeds (corruption, Nazism, coup, etc.) ...


kalm about anything related to BIden's nefarious deeds (corruption, etc.) ...

Yeah, kalm's tDS and my BDS are even worse than yours..

FYP

[kalm]

As I mentioned in the post and what the article is about, J6 wasn’t the feature. “Tanks and firepower” are literally what is implied by Jeffery Clark, John Eastman, and this article (which I’m almost certain now you didn’t take the time to read). Additionally there are other questions regarding security that day that further implicate Trump’s involvement.

It’s ok, Ganny, you don’t have to care and can continue to minimize the historical/serious nature of what’s literally contained in the indictment. You’re not alone.

And sure they implied it, with absolutely zero idea of how to make it happen, other than hope. The article said nothing about the practicalities of how to really get the cooperation, and at that point basically the buy-in, of 1.5 million armed service members. Heck, they couldn't even get the National Guard to drive over to the Capitol and you have them capable of overpowering the entire country. Put down the Kool-Aid, walk outside (it's safe out there, trust me) and take a few breaths. You've been in front of the computer or on your phone too long and you need to climb out of the rabbit hole.

Here ya go Ganny. From a horses mouth. Or do youvghjnk Trump won the election too?




Name me one non-MAGA Republican who agrees with your assessment of ‘meh, no big deal.’

For a guy who enjoys history you sure seem to not be interested in it when it’s happening right in front of you.

[UNI88]

kalm about anything related to trump's nefarious deeds (corruption, Nazism, coup, etc.) ...


kalm about anything related to Biden's nefarious deeds (corruption, etc.) ...

Yeah, kalm's tDS and my BDS are even worse than yours..

FYP

BDKKKaren about anything related to trump's nefarious deeds (corruption, sedition, narcissism, etc.) ...


BDKKKaren about anything related to Biden's nefarious deeds (corruption, dementia, etc.) ...

[houndawg]

That theory is as viable as the Pelosi intentionally didn't ask for more security to make trump look bad theory.

Maybe the real answer is people just plum screwed up and didn't think ahead properly? It happens. Especially with a group of people that are more concerned about the politics than reality.

They're always ready when the protestors are from the other side.

This was just special.Two groups with a large membership of right wingers and LEOs beating the living fuck out of each other. Beautiful.

[houndawg]

He had that step where security is caught completely unprepared and underequiped down solid. We still haven't heard that story yet or the two Secret Service agents that were supposedly ready to testify

Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.

I guess they didn't have jobs to be at. Hard to do a coup on the cheap working with the bottom of the barrel.

[GannonFan]

And sure they implied it, with absolutely zero idea of how to make it happen, other than hope. The article said nothing about the practicalities of how to really get the cooperation, and at that point basically the buy-in, of 1.5 million armed service members. Heck, they couldn't even get the National Guard to drive over to the Capitol and you have them capable of overpowering the entire country. Put down the Kool-Aid, walk outside (it's safe out there, trust me) and take a few breaths. You've been in front of the computer or on your phone too long and you need to climb out of the rabbit hole.

Here ya go Ganny. From a horses mouth. Or do youvghjnk Trump won the election too?




Name me one non-MAGA Republican who agrees with your assessment of ‘meh, no big deal.’

For a guy who enjoys history you sure seem to not be interested in it when it’s happening right in front of you.

So there you go - proof again that these guys had nothing but "hope". You're supporting my argument for me.

And frankly, anything involving Eastman is just not really believable - he's the nutter who said that Harris couldn't be Vice President despite actually being born in this country. Those types of folks are living in a fantasy world and you seem desperate to pretend it's reality. You honestly think he and Trump, you know, the guy who's stacking cardboard boxes of documents in an unused bathroom (seriously, for a billionaire he couldn't buy a storage unit?), could somehow finagle a way to convince 1.5 million active service members to get on board with installing a dictatorship? Even the magic gavel wouldn't have made that happen, let alone the 100-150 million people who would've objected.

[GannonFan]

Nah. We still haven't delved into how we didn't beef up security on 1/6 because we don't want to be distracted from the "Trump almost destroyed democracy" drumbeat (for reference, see every other post from kalmie). Something like 300-400 people were arrested for violence on that day. And we all knew it was coming because it was all over social media and the news for weeks leading up to 1/6 (heck, Trump was advertising it as the day, complete with rally and marching on the Capitol). How we weren't ready to deal with a few hundred folks intent on mob violence is beyond me. I get it, we don't like to blame the victim, and there's value in that. But if we actually paid attention to what was publicly being broadcast and acted accordingly (i.e. actually beefed up the protection of the Capitol) then those yahoos would've never even got up the steps. Coups in other countries are done mainly through the military and with tanks and real firepower - these knuckleheads showed up with bats and fire extinguishers. I'm hoping next time we pay attention to what's being shouted out weeks in advance.

I guess they didn't have jobs to be at. Hard to do a coup on the cheap working with the bottom of the barrel.

Yup, you don't overthrow 250 years of democracy with a few hundred of those types. That was a mob, not a legit coup.

[houndawg]

I guess they didn't have jobs to be at. Hard to do a coup on the cheap working with the bottom of the barrel.

Yup, you don't overthrow 250 years of democracy with a few hundred of those types. That was a mob, not a legit coup.

Their intent was a coup as was the intent of those egging them on. If they hadn't been right-wingers you'd be singing a different tune. You're doing your version of BD fucking a fly's ass about something trivial related to a definition of "mob" and a "legit coup" ( ). Mobs and coups can and often are the same thing, as with the French Revolution. Or the Iranian Revolution.



And you seem to have totally ignored the delicious irony of the Back the Blue crowd beating the ever-loving shit out of the Blue . Most of whom voted for the same guy as the crowd they were getting stomped by.

[GannonFan]

Yup, you don't overthrow 250 years of democracy with a few hundred of those types. That was a mob, not a legit coup.

Their intent was a coup as was the intent of those egging them on. If they hadn't been right-wingers you'd be singing a different tune. You're doing your version of BD fucking a fly's ass about something trivial related to a definition of "mob" and a "legit coup" ( ). Mobs and coups can and often are the same thing, as with the French Revolution. Or the Iranian Revolution.



And you seem to have totally ignored the delicious irony of the Back the Blue crowd beating the ever-loving shit out of the Blue . Most of whom voted for the same guy as the crowd they were getting stomped by.

Hey, you're the one who harbors this weird fascination with cops getting beat up by a mob. Pretty sure a few of those cops who suffered injuries that day didn't vote for Trump and didn't deserve to be put in harms way like that. But by all means, continue to throw them all under the same bus. Your lack of compassion is fascinating.

As for which side is doing it, I feel the same way about the Dems now - I don't think they're in the right for all of their attempts to subvert American democracy (i.e. court packing, Senate packing, etc), but again, luckily, as we saw with Trump and his cronies, the combination of a robust system of government, with checks and balances, along with an amazing amount of incompetence by Biden's team, means the threat to democracy is pretty small.

[kalm]

Here ya go Ganny. From a horses mouth. Or do youvghjnk Trump won the election too?




Name me one non-MAGA Republican who agrees with your assessment of ‘meh, no big deal.’

For a guy who enjoys history you sure seem to not be interested in it when it’s happening right in front of you.

So there you go - proof again that these guys had nothing but "hope". You're supporting my argument for me.

And frankly, anything involving Eastman is just not really believable - he's the nutter who said that Harris couldn't be Vice President despite actually being born in this country. Those types of folks are living in a fantasy world and you seem desperate to pretend it's reality. You honestly think he and Trump, you know, the guy who's stacking cardboard boxes of documents in an unused bathroom (seriously, for a billionaire he couldn't buy a storage unit?), could somehow finagle a way to convince 1.5 million active service members to get on board with installing a dictatorship? Even the magic gavel wouldn't have made that happen, let alone the 100-150 million people who would've objected.

Nothing but hope?

Fake electors in 7 states.
70 million votes 20-30 million of which are MAGA.
Wife of SCOTUS judge pimping the theory to state officials
Acting Sec of Defense Chris Miller held off deploying Guard troops until the J6 crowd was being dispersed. And after ALL living Sec Def’s had sent their warning letter. Why were they so concerned?

You don’t need the rank and file or lower level officers to completely buy in, you just need them to follow orders…from the current commander in chief, the Sec of Defense, Michael Flynn’s brother, etc. And what they really needed was more time to create confusion and a constitutional crisis. At one point, this was speculation but as the inditements roll in, much of it is being confirmed.

You HAVE read Smith’s inditement, right?

Eastman is a nutter. I agree. He’s also a constitutional law specialist who taught at Chapman, clerked for Thomas, is Chairman of a Federalist Society group on federalism and separation of powers, and clearly had Trump’s ear. Remember, Trump tends to listen to whoever is in the room at the time.

So again, I agree, nutter. And history is full of ascendent nutters.

We’re just arguing how close is acceptable. For you it’s pretty damn close.

[GannonFan]

We’re just arguing how close is acceptable. For you it’s pretty damn close.

And therein lies the difference - it wasn't in the vicinity of close. Nothing Trump or any of his cronies did that day was going to keep him in office. You seem to think it really could have gone either way. We've had plenty of Constitutional crises in this country - Election of 1800 (Jefferson and Burr), 1824 (Quincy Adams and Jackson), 1860 (Civil War), the Reconstruction period, 1876 (Electoral Commission), 1919 (Wilson stroke), 1974 (Watergate), late 1980's (Reagan's worsening cognitive loss), the tit for tat impeachments of the Clinton and Trump administrations, and now the 2020's and the cognitive loss of the current President. And that doesn't include basically two centuries worth of political machine control in large swaths of the country, with elections during those times, even as recently as LBJ's congressional elections, being tainted with acknowledged ballot stuffing.

What Trump and his lackeys did in and around 1/6 was detestable and as we're finding out likely criminal as well. I would've impeached him and it's still a black mark on Congress that they didn't remove him right after that. But we weren't anywhere in the vicinity of close in terms of it succeeding. And that's something America should be proud of - we have an extremely robust system of government, and even in the presence of a extremely demented meglomaniac, the system works and republican democracy continues on unabated. I'm sorry you're not proud of that.

[BDKJMU]

So there you go - proof again that these guys had nothing but "hope". You're supporting my argument for me.

And frankly, anything involving Eastman is just not really believable - he's the nutter who said that Harris couldn't be Vice President despite actually being born in this country. Those types of folks are living in a fantasy world and you seem desperate to pretend it's reality. You honestly think he and Trump, you know, the guy who's stacking cardboard boxes of documents in an unused bathroom (seriously, for a billionaire he couldn't buy a storage unit?), could somehow finagle a way to convince 1.5 million active service members to get on board with installing a dictatorship? Even the magic gavel wouldn't have made that happen, let alone the 100-150 million people who would've objected.

Nothing but hope?

Fake electors in 7 states.
70 million votes 20-30 million of which are MAGA.
Wife of SCOTUS judge pimping the theory to state officials
Acting Sec of Defense Chris Miller held off deploying Guard troops until the J6 crowd was being dispersed. And after ALL living Sec Def’s had sent their warning letter. Why were they so concerned?

You don’t need the rank and file or lower level officers to completely buy in, you just need them to follow orders…from the current commander in chief, the Sec of Defense, Michael Flynn’s brother, etc. And what they really needed was more time to create confusion and a constitutional crisis. At one point, this was speculation but as the inditements roll in, much of it is being confirmed.

You HAVE read Smith’s inditement, right?

Eastman is a nutter. I agree. He’s also a constitutional law specialist who taught at Chapman, clerked for Thomas, is Chairman of a Federalist Society group on federalism and separation of powers, and clearly had Trump’s ear. Remember, Trump tends to listen to whoever is in the room at the time.

So again, I agree, nutter. And history is full of ascendent nutters.

We’re just arguing how close is acceptable. For you it’s pretty damn close.

74.2 million

[UNI88]

We’re just arguing how close is acceptable. For you it’s pretty damn close.

And therein lies the difference - it wasn't in the vicinity of close. Nothing Trump or any of his cronies did that day was going to keep him in office. You seem to think it really could have gone either way. We've had plenty of Constitutional crises in this country - Election of 1800 (Jefferson and Burr), 1824 (Quincy Adams and Jackson), 1860 (Civil War), the Reconstruction period, 1876 (Electoral Commission), 1919 (Wilson stroke), 1974 (Watergate), late 1980's (Reagan's worsening cognitive loss), the tit for tat impeachments of the Clinton and Trump administrations, and now the 2020's and the cognitive loss of the current President. And that doesn't include basically two centuries worth of political machine control in large swaths of the country, with elections during those times, even as recently as LBJ's congressional elections, being tainted with acknowledged ballot stuffing.

What Trump and his lackeys did in and around 1/6 was detestable and as we're finding out likely criminal as well. I would've impeached him and it's still a black mark on Congress that they didn't remove him right after that. But we weren't anywhere in the vicinity of close in terms of it succeeding. And that's something America should be proud of - we have an extremely robust system of government, and even in the presence of a extremely demented meglomaniac, the system works and republican democracy continues on unabated. I'm sorry you're not proud of that.

It could be argued that trump's first impeachment was also an attempted coup. Should Pelosi and others be prosecuted for that?

[houndawg]

Their intent was a coup as was the intent of those egging them on. If they hadn't been right-wingers you'd be singing a different tune. You're doing your version of BD fucking a fly's ass about something trivial related to a definition of "mob" and a "legit coup" ( ). Mobs and coups can and often are the same thing, as with the French Revolution. Or the Iranian Revolution.



And you seem to have totally ignored the delicious irony of the Back the Blue crowd beating the ever-loving shit out of the Blue . Most of whom voted for the same guy as the crowd they were getting stomped by.

Hey, you're the one who harbors this weird fascination with cops getting beat up by a mob. Pretty sure a few of those cops who suffered injuries that day didn't vote for Trump and didn't deserve to be put in harms way like that. But by all means, continue to throw them all under the same bus. Your lack of compassion is fascinating.

As for which side is doing it, I feel the same way about the Dems now - I don't think they're in the right for all of their attempts to subvert American democracy (i.e. court packing, Senate packing, etc), but again, luckily, as we saw with Trump and his cronies, the combination of a robust system of government, with checks and balances, along with an amazing amount of incompetence by Biden's team, means the threat to democracy is pretty small.

Injuries? It was just some yokels sightseeing....

[BDKJMU]

Fulton County is now admitting they had the charges written up and inducement ready to go BEFORE the grand jury was even done. Its all an orchestrated farce.

Gee, how does this internet thingy work?

[houndawg]

We’re just arguing how close is acceptable. For you it’s pretty damn close.

And therein lies the difference - it wasn't in the vicinity of close. Nothing Trump or any of his cronies did that day was going to keep him in office. You seem to think it really could have gone either way. We've had plenty of Constitutional crises in this country - Election of 1800 (Jefferson and Burr), 1824 (Quincy Adams and Jackson), 1860 (Civil War), the Reconstruction period, 1876 (Electoral Commission), 1919 (Wilson stroke), 1974 (Watergate), late 1980's (Reagan's worsening cognitive loss), the tit for tat impeachments of the Clinton and Trump administrations, and now the 2020's and the cognitive loss of the current President. And that doesn't include basically two centuries worth of political machine control in large swaths of the country, with elections during those times, even as recently as LBJ's congressional elections, being tainted with acknowledged ballot stuffing.

What Trump and his lackeys did in and around 1/6 was detestable and as we're finding out likely criminal as well. I would've impeached him and it's still a black mark on Congress that they didn't remove him right after that. But we weren't anywhere in the vicinity of close in terms of it succeeding. And that's something America should be proud of - we have an extremely robust system of government, and even in the presence of a extremely demented meglomaniac, the system works and republican democracy continues on unabated. I'm sorry you're not proud of that.

If the mob had been from the left you'd be singing a different tune and you know thats true.

[UNI88]

And therein lies the difference - it wasn't in the vicinity of close. Nothing Trump or any of his cronies did that day was going to keep him in office. You seem to think it really could have gone either way. We've had plenty of Constitutional crises in this country - Election of 1800 (Jefferson and Burr), 1824 (Quincy Adams and Jackson), 1860 (Civil War), the Reconstruction period, 1876 (Electoral Commission), 1919 (Wilson stroke), 1974 (Watergate), late 1980's (Reagan's worsening cognitive loss), the tit for tat impeachments of the Clinton and Trump administrations, and now the 2020's and the cognitive loss of the current President. And that doesn't include basically two centuries worth of political machine control in large swaths of the country, with elections during those times, even as recently as LBJ's congressional elections, being tainted with acknowledged ballot stuffing.

What Trump and his lackeys did in and around 1/6 was detestable and as we're finding out likely criminal as well. I would've impeached him and it's still a black mark on Congress that they didn't remove him right after that. But we weren't anywhere in the vicinity of close in terms of it succeeding. And that's something America should be proud of - we have an extremely robust system of government, and even in the presence of a extremely demented meglomaniac, the system works and republican democracy continues on unabated. I'm sorry you're not proud of that.

If the mob had been from the left you'd be singing a different tune and you know thats true.

no he wouldn’t.


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[houndawg]

If the mob had been from the left you'd be singing a different tune and you know thats true.

no he wouldn’t.


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[GannonFan]

And therein lies the difference - it wasn't in the vicinity of close. Nothing Trump or any of his cronies did that day was going to keep him in office. You seem to think it really could have gone either way. We've had plenty of Constitutional crises in this country - Election of 1800 (Jefferson and Burr), 1824 (Quincy Adams and Jackson), 1860 (Civil War), the Reconstruction period, 1876 (Electoral Commission), 1919 (Wilson stroke), 1974 (Watergate), late 1980's (Reagan's worsening cognitive loss), the tit for tat impeachments of the Clinton and Trump administrations, and now the 2020's and the cognitive loss of the current President. And that doesn't include basically two centuries worth of political machine control in large swaths of the country, with elections during those times, even as recently as LBJ's congressional elections, being tainted with acknowledged ballot stuffing.

What Trump and his lackeys did in and around 1/6 was detestable and as we're finding out likely criminal as well. I would've impeached him and it's still a black mark on Congress that they didn't remove him right after that. But we weren't anywhere in the vicinity of close in terms of it succeeding. And that's something America should be proud of - we have an extremely robust system of government, and even in the presence of a extremely demented meglomaniac, the system works and republican democracy continues on unabated. I'm sorry you're not proud of that.

If the mob had been from the left you'd be singing a different tune and you know thats true.

What tune would I be singing differently? I'd said, in this case with a right leaning executive, that I would've impeached the President, I would've pursued criminal charges. Do you think I'd be less lenient with a left leaning President?

And it wouldn't matter what side of the aisle the mob was representing - in the end, a couple hundred violent protestors aren't going to succeed in overcoming a nation of 160M voters and an armed services of about 1.5M that aren't on board with their attempt to overthrow the government. Like it was with 1/6, it wouldn't be in the vicinity of close. Again, be happy that our republican democracy is so strong, it is something to be proud of.

[Ibanez]

Fulton County is now admitting they had the charges written up and inducement ready to go BEFORE the grand jury was even done. Its all an orchestrated farce.

Gee, how does this internet thingy work?

Wouldn't it be logical to have everything drawn up and ready for presentation to the grand jury BEFORE and not AFTER? If I make a presentation at work to increase my budget or head count, I don't show up to the meeting w/o any information. Seems like something nit-picky to me.

[Ibanez]

If the mob had been from the left you'd be singing a different tune and you know thats true.

What tune would I be singing differently? I'd said, in this case with a right leaning executive, that I would've impeached the President, I would've pursued criminal charges. Do you think I'd be less lenient with a left leaning President?

And it wouldn't matter what side of the aisle the mob was representing - in the end, a couple hundred violent protestors aren't going to succeed in overcoming a nation of 160M voters and an armed services of about 1.5M that aren't on board with their attempt to overthrow the government. Like it was with 1/6, it wouldn't be in the vicinity of close. Again, be happy that our republican democracy is so strong, it is something to be proud of.

You're right on the money. It doesn't (and shouldn't matter) what political party is represented. Someone did something wrong and should be held accountable.

I see these indictments as a positive for our country. It goes to prove that we have people and a process that won't let a former President get away with crimes and misdeeds. Trump has never been held accountable for anything and now he's bitching about it. Same with Hunter - the dude did the crime and now he should be held accountable. It's a good thing...even if it means as we enter the final years of the 4th turning that we'll see chaos.


Btw, did any of you catch Hiliary Clinton laughing at Trumps 4th indictment and talk about the rule of law? It was rich coming from her.

[kalm]

What tune would I be singing differently? I'd said, in this case with a right leaning executive, that I would've impeached the President, I would've pursued criminal charges. Do you think I'd be less lenient with a left leaning President?

And it wouldn't matter what side of the aisle the mob was representing - in the end, a couple hundred violent protestors aren't going to succeed in overcoming a nation of 160M voters and an armed services of about 1.5M that aren't on board with their attempt to overthrow the government. Like it was with 1/6, it wouldn't be in the vicinity of close. Again, be happy that our republican democracy is so strong, it is something to be proud of.

You're right on the money. It doesn't (and shouldn't matter) what political party is represented. Someone did something wrong and should be held accountable.

I see these indictments as a positive for our country. It goes to prove that we have people and a process that won't let a former President get away with crimes and misdeeds. Trump has never been held accountable for anything and now he's bitching about it. Same with Hunter - the dude did the crime and now he should be held accountable. It's a good thing...even if it means as we enter the final years of the 4th turning that we'll see chaos.


Btw, did any of you catch Hiliary Clinton laughing at Trumps 4th indictment and talk about the rule of law? It was rich coming from her.

You’ve read the Fourth Turning?

[Ibanez]

You're right on the money. It doesn't (and shouldn't matter) what political party is represented. Someone did something wrong and should be held accountable.

I see these indictments as a positive for our country. It goes to prove that we have people and a process that won't let a former President get away with crimes and misdeeds. Trump has never been held accountable for anything and now he's bitching about it. Same with Hunter - the dude did the crime and now he should be held accountable. It's a good thing...even if it means as we enter the final years of the 4th turning that we'll see chaos.


Btw, did any of you catch Hiliary Clinton laughing at Trumps 4th indictment and talk about the rule of law? It was rich coming from her.

You’ve read the Fourth Turning?

Yes and i'm re-reading it now.

It's interesting...for a book written in the late 90s, the authors were quite accurate. We're entering the twilight years of the 4th Turning (2024-2025) and that should bring chaos. And what do we have - Trump's indictment, Biden losing his damn mind, Senators are freezing at the podium and have no idea where they are or what they're supposed to do. We have candidates who are going to end the weaponization of the gov't by weaponizing the gov't, We have interest rates AND home prices rising (there usually is an inverse here) making homeownership more unattainable, ballooning debt and deficits, a dwindling military stockpile, dwindling projection of American power (see Russia) and what else....oh yeah TV shows where Milfs bang each others sons.

[houndawg]

What tune would I be singing differently? I'd said, in this case with a right leaning executive, that I would've impeached the President, I would've pursued criminal charges. Do you think I'd be less lenient with a left leaning President?

And it wouldn't matter what side of the aisle the mob was representing - in the end, a couple hundred violent protestors aren't going to succeed in overcoming a nation of 160M voters and an armed services of about 1.5M that aren't on board with their attempt to overthrow the government. Like it was with 1/6, it wouldn't be in the vicinity of close. Again, be happy that our republican democracy is so strong, it is something to be proud of.

You're right on the money. It doesn't (and shouldn't matter) what political party is represented. Someone did something wrong and should be held accountable.

I see these indictments as a positive for our country. It goes to prove that we have people and a process that won't let a former President get away with crimes and misdeeds. Trump has never been held accountable for anything and now he's bitching about it. Same with Hunter - the dude did the crime and now he should be held accountable. It's a good thing...even if it means as we enter the final years of the 4th turning that we'll see chaos.


Btw, did any of you catch Hiliary Clinton laughing at Trumps 4th indictment and talk about the rule of law? It was rich coming from her.

All true on paper - but it does matter and the response isn't the same. Look at the threads here about antifa and BLM protests, its the end of western civilization as we know it and Kyle Rittenhouse should be President for Life.



And yeah I got a chuckle out of the Hillary interview especially since you know it was causing ketchup to fly at the White House. The cream of the jest in this whole trump drama is knowing he lays awake at night furious at the way all these women are kicking his ass. Has to stand there in court while a female, a black one no less, looks down and lectures him about witness tampering.

[kalm]

You’ve read the Fourth Turning?

Yes and i'm re-reading it now.

It's interesting...for a book written in the late 90s, the authors were quite accurate. We're entering the twilight years of the 4th Turning (2024-2025) and that should bring chaos. And what do we have - Trump's indictment, Biden losing his damn mind, Senators are freezing at the podium and have no idea where they are or what they're supposed to do. We have candidates who are going to end the weaponization of the gov't by weaponizing the gov't, We have interest rates AND home prices rising (there usually is an inverse here) making homeownership more unattainable, ballooning debt and deficits, a dwindling military stockpile, dwindling projection of American power (see Russia) and what else....oh yeah TV shows where Milfs bang each others sons.

Excellent. I suggested it on here years ago and yes it’s amazingly accurate and quite informative on generational archetypes and what shaped each of us. And all the way back to the War of the Roses. I’m currently listening to the sequel - The Fourth Turning is Here - right now.

To add to your crisis period list:

The Great Recession
Covid
Climate Change
Lost faith in institutions
Extreme political division
Extreme cultural division

A rapid change era as culture approached peak selfishness. The winds of late fall through winter sweeping the dead wood and detritus (Boomer Generation) from the forest.