The Ukraine Crisis

[houndawg]

Welcome to Ukraine
The Biden family had no business being in Ukraine — no personal ties, no business relationships, and no expertise or experience in the energy sector.

Yet, Hunter Biden showed up from America. He sat on the board of a Ukrainian gas company called Burisma and received millions of dollars in exchange. Another American was sitting next to Hunter on the same board of the same company — Devon Archer. As a longtime Biden family friend and business associate, Archer says the arrangement was his whole idea.

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/2023/09/696636/

Beginning on January 20, 2011, then-Vice President Joe Biden wrote a personal letter to Archer to thank him for the business opportunity. The letter, which has been analyzed and authenticated, is quickly becoming known as “the smoking-gun evidence” that confirms Joe Biden’s close personal involvement in the scheme.

Sounds like a slam dunk in court.

[BDKJMU]

Paul is right.

[houndawg]

Paul is right.

Rand Paul.

[BDKJMU]

I did Nazi this coming.

Zelensky gave this Nazi who served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (initially 1st Galician, later 1st Ukranian) a raised fist. Because fighting against the Russians is all that matters I guess. If that isn't evidence of Zelensky's Nazi sympathies, I don't know what is.

[kalm]

I did Nazi this coming.

Zelensky gave this Nazi who served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (initially 1st Galician, later 1st Ukranian) a raised fist. Because fighting against the Russians is all that matters I guess. If that isn't evidence of Zelensky's Nazi sympathies, I don't know what is.

Unity News Net reports you decide.

[houndawg]

Welcome to Ukraine
The Biden family had no business being in Ukraine — no personal ties, no business relationships, and no expertise or experience in the energy sector.

Yet, Hunter Biden showed up from America. He sat on the board of a Ukrainian gas company called Burisma and received millions of dollars in exchange. Another American was sitting next to Hunter on the same board of the same company — Devon Archer. As a longtime Biden family friend and business associate, Archer says the arrangement was his whole idea.

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/2023/09/696636/

Beginning on January 20, 2011, then-Vice President Joe Biden wrote a personal letter to Archer to thank him for the business opportunity. The letter, which has been analyzed and authenticated, is quickly becoming known as “the smoking-gun evidence” that confirms Joe Biden’s close personal involvement in the scheme.

Your own witness started his testimony by saying there isn't enough evidence to impeach.

Time to put up or shut up because right now you got nothing.

That's the difference between his hearing and the first one: the trump hearing was first-hand testimony from trump appointees/hires in their own words. The current hearing so far has been nothing but Jerkin' Jimmy Jordan howling in rage while shaking his cage and flinging feces at the jeering spectators.

[Caribbean Hen]

Welcome to Ukraine
The Biden family had no business being in Ukraine — no personal ties, no business relationships, and no expertise or experience in the energy sector.

Yet, Hunter Biden showed up from America. He sat on the board of a Ukrainian gas company called Burisma and received millions of dollars in exchange. Another American was sitting next to Hunter on the same board of the same company — Devon Archer. As a longtime Biden family friend and business associate, Archer says the arrangement was his whole idea.

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/2023/09/696636/

Beginning on January 20, 2011, then-Vice President Joe Biden wrote a personal letter to Archer to thank him for the business opportunity. The letter, which has been analyzed and authenticated, is quickly becoming known as “the smoking-gun evidence” that confirms Joe Biden’s close personal involvement in the scheme.

Your own witness started his testimony by saying there isn't enough evidence to impeach.

Time to put up or shut up because right now you got nothing.

That's the difference between his hearing and the first one: the trump hearing was first-hand testimony from trump appointees/hires in their own words. The current hearing so far has been nothing but Jerkin' Jimmy Jordan howling in rage while shaking his cage and flinging feces at the jeering spectators.

False assumption and your instincts are lacking

I don’t think they should impeach him, won’t move the needle but are they morally obligated to?

The evidence is overwhelming

Do you really support Joey Rotten

[houndawg]

Your own witness started his testimony by saying there isn't enough evidence to impeach.

Time to put up or shut up because right now you got nothing.

That's the difference between his hearing and the first one: the trump hearing was first-hand testimony from trump appointees/hires in their own words. The current hearing so far has been nothing but Jerkin' Jimmy Jordan howling in rage while shaking his cage and flinging feces at the jeering spectators.

False assumption and your instincts are lacking

I don’t think they should impeach him, won’t move the needle but are they morally obligated to?

The evidence is overwhelming

Do you really support Joey Rotten

Now is the time to show that "evidence", not the time for your main withess to back down....and btw, no fucking way I'm voting for Hunter Biden....

[Caribbean Hen]

False assumption and your instincts are lacking

I don’t think they should impeach him, won’t move the needle but are they morally obligated to?

The evidence is overwhelming

Do you really support Joey Rotten

Now is the time to show that "evidence", not the time for your main withess to back down....and btw, no fucking way I'm voting for Hunter Biden....

The nut don’t fall far from the tree

[UNI88]

I did Nazi this coming.

Zelensky gave this Nazi who served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (initially 1st Galician, later 1st Ukranian) a raised fist. Because fighting against the Russians is all that matters I guess. If that isn't evidence of Zelensky's Nazi sympathies, I don't know what is.

Why are MAGAt yahoos so dedicated to helping russia?

[Caribbean Hen]

Zelensky gave this Nazi who served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (initially 1st Galician, later 1st Ukranian) a raised fist. Because fighting against the Russians is all that matters I guess. If that isn't evidence of Zelensky's Nazi sympathies, I don't know what is.

Why are MAGAt yahoos so dedicated to helping russia?

Not about helping Russia, it’s about putting some money into this country and let them resolve it

But the swamp always needs a good war, the rebuilding efforts will be very profitable

[UNI88]

Why are MAGAt yahoos so dedicated to helping russia?

Not about helping Russia, it’s about putting some money into this country and let them resolve it

But the swamp always needs a good war, the rebuilding efforts will be very profitable

I think there is some truth to that. I also think trump likes sucking up to putin so he's against helping Ukraine and MAGAt yahoos gullibly follow his lead.

IMO there are geopolitical elements to this conflict that go way beyond just Ukraine vs. russia.

[Caribbean Hen]

Not about helping Russia, it’s about putting some money into this country and let them resolve it

But the swamp always needs a good war, the rebuilding efforts will be very profitable

I think there is some truth to that. I also think trump likes sucking up to putin so he's against helping Ukraine and MAGAt yahoos gullibly follow his lead.

IMO there are geopolitical elements to this conflict that go way beyond just Ukraine vs. russia.

Sucking up? We’ll call it whatever you want but Putin didn’t invade until Trump was out

What does Putin do if Trump won? Wait….

[UNI88]

I think there is some truth to that. I also think trump likes sucking up to putin so he's against helping Ukraine and MAGAt yahoos gullibly follow his lead.

IMO there are geopolitical elements to this conflict that go way beyond just Ukraine vs. russia.

Sucking up? We’ll call it whatever you want but Putin didn’t invade until Trump was out

What does Putin do if Trump won? Wait….

Sucking up, sucking off, how would you describe their special relationship? No one knows what happened behind closed doors in Helsinki.

I don't know if putin waits if trump didn't lose in 2020. trump might have pulled the US out of NATO which would have emboldened putin even more than anything Biden did.

[Caribbean Hen]

Sucking up? We’ll call it whatever you want but Putin didn’t invade until Trump was out

What does Putin do if Trump won? Wait….

Sucking up, sucking off, how would you describe their special relationship? No one knows what happened behind closed doors in Helsinki.

I don't know if putin waits if trump didn't lose in 2020. trump might have pulled the US out of NATO which would have emboldened putin even more than anything Biden did.

I think Trump would have tried to avoid this conflict by bringing them to the table whereas Biden seemed to want it to happen. I’m sure you’ll tell me that was because Trump was really just protecting his own interest and you’ll never tell me that’s exactly what Biden is doing

[UNI88]

Sucking up, sucking off, how would you describe their special relationship? No one knows what happened behind closed doors in Helsinki.

I don't know if putin waits if trump didn't lose in 2020. trump might have pulled the US out of NATO which would have emboldened putin even more than anything Biden did.

I think Trump would have tried to avoid this conflict by bringing them to the table whereas Biden seemed to want it to happen. I’m sure you’ll tell me that was because Trump was really just protecting his own interest and you’ll never tell me that’s exactly what Biden is doing

When would trump have brought them to the table? Ukraine would have come to the table if he could have prevented the invasion but once it started they were in a fight for their very existence and any compromise/ceasefire was just delaying the inevitable.

trump protects his own interests, likes to be worshipped by his MAGAt yahoos and was/is infatuated with dictators/strongmen like putin, kim jong un, etc.

[SeattleGriz]

I think Trump would have tried to avoid this conflict by bringing them to the table whereas Biden seemed to want it to happen. I’m sure you’ll tell me that was because Trump was really just protecting his own interest and you’ll never tell me that’s exactly what Biden is doing

When would trump have brought them to the table? Ukraine would have come to the table if he could have prevented the invasion but once it started they were in a fight for their very existence and any compromise/ceasefire was just delaying the inevitable.

trump protects his own interests, likes to be worshipped by his MAGAt yahoos and was/is infatuated with dictators/strongmen like putin, kim jong un, etc.

Because Trump didn't care about fomenting foreign wars on his watch. It didn't advance his economic plan for America. Biden on the other hand, is perfectly willing to sell out Ukraine and the US for a dollar.

Do you really not see Nationalist vs Globalist tendencies being played out here? Just listen to the sickening discussion about how BlackRock and others are going to "rebuild" Ukraine, when in others words, it means, get a slice of the pie. Only cost Ukraine 300,000+ young men and destroyed their country, but the globalists wanted it. Biden acquiesced and you bought into the plan.

[UNI88]

When would trump have brought them to the table? Ukraine would have come to the table if he could have prevented the invasion but once it started they were in a fight for their very existence and any compromise/ceasefire was just delaying the inevitable.

trump protects his own interests, likes to be worshipped by his MAGAt yahoos and was/is infatuated with dictators/strongmen like putin, kim jong un, etc.

Because Trump didn't care about fomenting foreign wars on his watch. It didn't advance his economic plan for America. Biden on the other hand, is perfectly willing to sell out Ukraine and the US for a dollar.

Do you really not see Nationalist vs Globalist tendencies being played out here? Just listen to the sickening discussion about how BlackRock and others are going to "rebuild" Ukraine, when in others words, it means, get a slice of the pie. Only cost Ukraine 300,000+ young men and destroyed their country, but the globalists wanted it. Biden acquiesced and you bought into the plan.

I don't trust neo-cons either but let's put the blame where it belongs. The leading driver of the invasion of Ukraine was putin not Biden. putin and russia not Biden are responsible for killing Ukrainian soldiers and citizens. And once the invasion happened, I don't see why Ukraine should agree to anything short of a complete russian pullout. Anything else is just giving russia time to lick it's wounds and rebuild before invading again.

This isn't as simple as just a local issue between Ukraine and russia with no global ramifications. So called experts who try to make it that are being intellectually dishonest.

[GannonFan]

Because Trump didn't care about fomenting foreign wars on his watch. It didn't advance his economic plan for America. Biden on the other hand, is perfectly willing to sell out Ukraine and the US for a dollar.

Do you really not see Nationalist vs Globalist tendencies being played out here? Just listen to the sickening discussion about how BlackRock and others are going to "rebuild" Ukraine, when in others words, it means, get a slice of the pie. Only cost Ukraine 300,000+ young men and destroyed their country, but the globalists wanted it. Biden acquiesced and you bought into the plan.

I don't trust neo-cons either but let's put the blame where it belongs. The leading driver of the invasion of Ukraine was putin not Biden. putin and russia not Biden are responsible for killing Ukrainian soldiers and citizens. And once the invasion happened, I don't see why Ukraine should agree to anything short of a complete russian pullout. Anything else is just giving russia time to lick it's wounds and rebuild before invading again.

This isn't as simple as just a local issue between Ukraine and russia with no global ramifications. So called experts who try to make it that are being intellectually dishonest.

Indeed. No one talks about BlackRock or anything else if Russia wasn't taking Ukranian territory and calling it it's own. And this started long before since Russia has been sitting on Crimea which they illegally took back in 2014. The Ukraine issue is entirely of Putin's, and Russia's, doing. Biden may be using it for his own purposes, but no one can do that if Russia hadn't decided to start picking Ukraine apart a good decade ago.

[SeattleGriz]

Because Trump didn't care about fomenting foreign wars on his watch. It didn't advance his economic plan for America. Biden on the other hand, is perfectly willing to sell out Ukraine and the US for a dollar.

Do you really not see Nationalist vs Globalist tendencies being played out here? Just listen to the sickening discussion about how BlackRock and others are going to "rebuild" Ukraine, when in others words, it means, get a slice of the pie. Only cost Ukraine 300,000+ young men and destroyed their country, but the globalists wanted it. Biden acquiesced and you bought into the plan.

I don't trust neo-cons either but let's put the blame where it belongs. The leading driver of the invasion of Ukraine was putin not Biden. putin and russia not Biden are responsible for killing Ukrainian soldiers and citizens. And once the invasion happened, I don't see why Ukraine should agree to anything short of a complete russian pullout. Anything else is just giving russia time to lick it's wounds and rebuild before invading again.

This isn't as simple as just a local issue between Ukraine and russia with no global ramifications. So called experts who try to make it that are being intellectually dishonest.

Keep glossing over the 10,000+ dead Ukrainian civilians since 2014 and their impending attack on their own Russian speaking citizens. You expected Putin to allow them to be slaughtered?

[GannonFan]

I don't trust neo-cons either but let's put the blame where it belongs. The leading driver of the invasion of Ukraine was putin not Biden. putin and russia not Biden are responsible for killing Ukrainian soldiers and citizens. And once the invasion happened, I don't see why Ukraine should agree to anything short of a complete russian pullout. Anything else is just giving russia time to lick it's wounds and rebuild before invading again.

This isn't as simple as just a local issue between Ukraine and russia with no global ramifications. So called experts who try to make it that are being intellectually dishonest.

Keep glossing over the 10,000+ dead Ukrainian civilians since 2014 and their impending attack on their own Russian speaking citizens. You expected Putin to allow them to be slaughtered?

And you keep glossing over the fact that Russia was already in those areas at least as early as 2014 with their own regular troops as well as multiple groups of Russian-sourced militias. Russia's invasion didn't just happen, many of those 10,000 dead you talk about were caught in the cross fire of Russian-supplied and Russian-backed troops. Russian military has been in those parts of Ukraine for at least a decade - you just ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

[SeattleGriz]

Keep glossing over the 10,000+ dead Ukrainian civilians since 2014 and their impending attack on their own Russian speaking citizens. You expected Putin to allow them to be slaughtered?

And you keep glossing over the fact that Russia was already in those areas at least as early as 2014 with their own regular troops as well as multiple groups of Russian-sourced militias. Russia's invasion didn't just happen, many of those 10,000 dead you talk about were caught in the cross fire of Russian-supplied and Russian-backed troops. Russian military has been in those parts of Ukraine for at least a decade - you just ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

You are uninformed and keep repeating an incorrect narrative.

The troops you speak of were Ukrainians that switched sides. They weren't interested in killing their families and friends over speaking Russian so they switched sides.

I already posted the link of the gentleman who was asked to rebuild the Ukrainian military in 2016. Do you even understand why he was needed? Because the Ukrainians couldn't get anyone to come to the war against their E Ukrainian brothers and sisters, so Ukraine had to resort to nationalist paramilitary groups. That's why we kept hearing about Nazis, because Ukraine filled it's version of the National Guard with paramilitary and placed them on the border with the Russian speaking population living in the Donbass. For what's it's worth the gentlemen did say the term "nazi" was Russian propaganda, but the troops they used directly against their own people were pretty nasty.

[UNI88]

And you keep glossing over the fact that Russia was already in those areas at least as early as 2014 with their own regular troops as well as multiple groups of Russian-sourced militias. Russia's invasion didn't just happen, many of those 10,000 dead you talk about were caught in the cross fire of Russian-supplied and Russian-backed troops. Russian military has been in those parts of Ukraine for at least a decade - you just ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

You are uninformed and keep repeating an incorrect narrative.

The troops you speak of were Ukrainians that switched sides. They weren't interested in killing their families and friends over speaking Russian so they switched sides.

I already posted the link of the gentleman who was asked to rebuild the Ukrainian military in 2016. Do you even understand why he was needed? Because the Ukrainians couldn't get anyone to come to the war, so Ukraine had to resort to nationalist paramilitary groups. That's why we kept hearing about Nazis, because Ukraine filled it's version of the National Guard with paramilitary and placed them on the border with the Russian speaking population.

So your Swiss expert is saying that russians Igor Girkin (former FSB colonel) and Sergey Dubinskiy (former russian army general) weren't in Ukraine in 2014? The Hague District Court would disagree with him. Your Swiss expert's narrative is filled with holes.

I'm not going to argue that there weren't/aren't fascists in Ukrainian army/militias but they were/are just as prevalent in the russian army/militias (see founder of the Wagner Group) so that argument is a red herring.

[houndawg]

Now is the time to show that "evidence", not the time for your main withess to back down....and btw, no fucking way I'm voting for Hunter Biden....

The nut don’t fall far from the tree

well, I guess thats true - but I was refering to the fact that Hunter Biden isn't running for office... I'll try to remember to spoon feed you in the future

[SeattleGriz]

You are uninformed and keep repeating an incorrect narrative.

The troops you speak of were Ukrainians that switched sides. They weren't interested in killing their families and friends over speaking Russian so they switched sides.

I already posted the link of the gentleman who was asked to rebuild the Ukrainian military in 2016. Do you even understand why he was needed? Because the Ukrainians couldn't get anyone to come to the war, so Ukraine had to resort to nationalist paramilitary groups. That's why we kept hearing about Nazis, because Ukraine filled it's version of the National Guard with paramilitary and placed them on the border with the Russian speaking population.

So your Swiss expert is saying that russians Igor Girkin (former FSB colonel) and Sergey Dubinskiy (former russian army general) weren't in Ukraine in 2014? The Hague District Court would disagree with him. Your Swiss expert's narrative is filled with holes.

I'm not going to argue that there weren't/aren't fascists in Ukrainian army/militias but they were/are just as prevalent in the russian army/militias (see founder of the Wagner Group) so that argument is a red herring.

But the Wagner group was never used to kill 10,000+ Russian civilians.

Anyway, the large majority of the Donbass military were Ukrainians switching sides. Was Russia helping where they could? Yes, but when the Chief of the SBU says he's only seen 56 Russian soldiers from the start, it makes you realize Russia was either really good at hiding the militias GF describes, or they were smart enough to keep their assistance to the border.

https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/co ... 99718.html

This article was 1.5 years into the Ukraine war.

PYATYKHATKY - The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has registered the involvement of 56 Russians in the military actions against Ukraine, SBU Chief Vasyl Hrytsak said.

‘We documented involvement of 56 Russians in the military actions against Ukraine from the moment the military conflict unfolded,’ he said at a press conference in the village of Pyatykhatky, where the SBU basis located.