Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[Caribbean Hen]

You guys act like Chang and Eng on here

now now...

Karenbean Hen

The only thing I haven’t figured out yet is who is Chang and who is Eng .. haha

[Bobcat]

Given a choice between international goodwill and protecting the safety of Israelis, Israel is going to choose safety. Hamas knows and counts on this. Every "disproportionate" response by Israel causes outrage, creates more morons who think Israel is to blame and most importantly increases funding to Hamas.

Yep.

And it doesn’t secure long term safety either.

It would if Israel did it right, but they will let everyone pressure them into being humanitarian. Even after they were attacked

[kalm]

I find this hard to disagree with.

No sane person would disagree

Why do you find it so hard?

It’s a turn of phrase.

It means I agree with it.

[kalm]

Yep.

And it doesn’t secure long term safety either.

It would if Israel did it right, but they will let everyone pressure them into being humanitarian. Even after they were attacked

What’s wrong with being humanitarian?

[Baldy]

Really? What was their currency called? Who was their president?

Inquiring minds want to know..

FDR knew and Churchill paid them a visit in '37

What was the capital of this mythical place?

[kalm]

Not a huge Thom Friedman fan but this is a really solid analysis.

If you care about Israel, you should be more worried than any other time since 1967. Back then, Israel defeated the armies of three Arab states — Egypt, Syria and Jordan — in what became known as the Six-Day War. Today, if you look closely, you’ll see that Israel is now fighting the Six-Front War.

This war is being fought by and through nonstate actors, nation-states, social networks, ideological movements, West Bank communities and Israeli political factions, and it is the most complex war that I’ve ever covered. But one thing is crystal clear to me: Israel cannot win this six-front war alone. It can win only if Israel — and the United States — can assemble a global alliance.

Unfortunately, Israel today has a prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and a ruling coalition that will not and cannot produce the keystone needed to sustain such a global alliance. That keystone is to declare an end to the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and overhaul Israel’s relations with the Palestinian Authority so that it becomes a credible, legitimate Palestinian partner that can govern a post-Hamas Gaza and forge a broader two-state solution including the West Bank.

If Israel is asking its best allies to help the Jewish state seek justice in Gaza while asking them to look the other way as Israel builds a settlement kingdom in the West Bank with the express goal of annexation, that is strategically and morally incoherent.

It won’t work. Israel will not be able to generate the time, the financial assistance, the legitimacy, the Palestinian partner or the global allies it needs to win this six-front war.

And all six fronts are now hiding in plain sight.

First, Israel is fighting a full-scale war against Hamas in and around Gaza, in which, we can now see, Hamas still has so much residual capacity that it was able to launch a seaborne attack on Israel on Tuesday and on Wednesday fired long-range rockets toward Israel’s southern port city of Eilat and northern port city of Haifa.

It is terrifying to see how many resources Hamas diverted to build weapons rather than to aid Gaza’s human capital — and how effectively it hid that from Israel and the world. Indeed, it is hard not to notice the contrast between Gaza’s evident human poverty and the wealth of weaponry Hamas has built and deployed.

Hamas’s dream has long been the unification of the fronts surrounding Israel, regionally and globally. Israel’s strategy has always been to act in ways to prevent that — until this Netanyahu coalition of ultra-Orthodox and Jewish supremacists came to power last December and began behaving in ways that actually helped foster the unification of the anti-Israel fronts.

How so? The Jewish supremacists in Netanyahu’s cabinet immediately began to challenge the status quo on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, which is revered by Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and where one of Islam’s holiest sites, the Aqsa Mosque, stands. The Netanyahu government began taking steps to impose much harsher conditions on Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza held in Israeli jails. And it laid plans for a huge expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank to prevent a contiguous Palestinian state from ever coming into being there. This is the first Israeli government ever to make annexation of the West Bank a stated objective in its coalition agreement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/opin ... wLFtCahcAs

[SeattleGriz]

Not a huge Thom Friedman fan but this is a really solid analysis.

If you care about Israel, you should be more worried than any other time since 1967. Back then, Israel defeated the armies of three Arab states — Egypt, Syria and Jordan — in what became known as the Six-Day War. Today, if you look closely, you’ll see that Israel is now fighting the Six-Front War.

This war is being fought by and through nonstate actors, nation-states, social networks, ideological movements, West Bank communities and Israeli political factions, and it is the most complex war that I’ve ever covered. But one thing is crystal clear to me: Israel cannot win this six-front war alone. It can win only if Israel — and the United States — can assemble a global alliance.

Unfortunately, Israel today has a prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and a ruling coalition that will not and cannot produce the keystone needed to sustain such a global alliance. That keystone is to declare an end to the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and overhaul Israel’s relations with the Palestinian Authority so that it becomes a credible, legitimate Palestinian partner that can govern a post-Hamas Gaza and forge a broader two-state solution including the West Bank.

If Israel is asking its best allies to help the Jewish state seek justice in Gaza while asking them to look the other way as Israel builds a settlement kingdom in the West Bank with the express goal of annexation, that is strategically and morally incoherent.

It won’t work. Israel will not be able to generate the time, the financial assistance, the legitimacy, the Palestinian partner or the global allies it needs to win this six-front war.

And all six fronts are now hiding in plain sight.

First, Israel is fighting a full-scale war against Hamas in and around Gaza, in which, we can now see, Hamas still has so much residual capacity that it was able to launch a seaborne attack on Israel on Tuesday and on Wednesday fired long-range rockets toward Israel’s southern port city of Eilat and northern port city of Haifa.

It is terrifying to see how many resources Hamas diverted to build weapons rather than to aid Gaza’s human capital — and how effectively it hid that from Israel and the world. Indeed, it is hard not to notice the contrast between Gaza’s evident human poverty and the wealth of weaponry Hamas has built and deployed.

Hamas’s dream has long been the unification of the fronts surrounding Israel, regionally and globally. Israel’s strategy has always been to act in ways to prevent that — until this Netanyahu coalition of ultra-Orthodox and Jewish supremacists came to power last December and began behaving in ways that actually helped foster the unification of the anti-Israel fronts.

How so? The Jewish supremacists in Netanyahu’s cabinet immediately began to challenge the status quo on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, which is revered by Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and where one of Islam’s holiest sites, the Aqsa Mosque, stands. The Netanyahu government began taking steps to impose much harsher conditions on Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza held in Israeli jails. And it laid plans for a huge expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank to prevent a contiguous Palestinian state from ever coming into being there. This is the first Israeli government ever to make annexation of the West Bank a stated objective in its coalition agreement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/opin ... wLFtCahcAs

I didn't know that guy reads this board. He's a day late and dollar short though.

Haven't seen this posted before, so I gotta mention it. A large part of what is driving the hatred concerns the Al Aqsa mosque. Israel now has some hardliners in power that want to drop that mosque and rebuild the 3rd temple. Over that last couple of years, the Israelis have used their military to allow the hardliners to enter the mosque and hold worship there. Talk about pissing a population off.

[dal4018]

FDR knew and Churchill paid them a visit in '37

What was the capital of this mythical place?

Don't know but I know that it existed before Israel

[UNI88]

What was the capital of this mythical place?

Don't know but I know that it existed before Israel

Palestine existed before Israel was united under King Saul over 3,000 years ago?

Maybe the Palestinians and Jews should leave and give it back to the Canaanites.

[dal4018]

Don't know but I know that it existed before Israel

Palestine existed before Israel was united under King Saul over 3,000 years ago?

Maybe the Palestinians and Jews should leave and give it back to the Canaanites.

Wished that they were here

[kalm]

I think we all owe the paleo-Americans an apology.

[SeattleGriz]

I think we all owe the paleo-Americans an apology.

I personally like their diet.

[kalm]

I think we all owe the paleo-Americans an apology.

I personally like their diet.

Wild game, omega 3 rich salmon, shellfish, berries, camas root, squash, beans, amaranth…

What’s not to like?

[houndawg]

I personally like their diet.

Wild game, omega 3 rich salmon, shellfish, berries, camas root, squash, beans, amaranth…

What’s not to like?

don't forget the shrooms

[kalm]

Wild game, omega 3 rich salmon, shellfish, berries, camas root, squash, beans, amaranth…

What’s not to like?

don't forget the shrooms

And peyote.

[Baldy]

What was the capital of this mythical place?

Don't know but I know that it existed before Israel

So did Wakanda...and neither one has ever existed.

[dal4018]

Don't know but I know that it existed before Israel

So did Wakanda...and neither one has ever existed.

Wakanda was a creation of Stan Lee

[houndawg]

So did Wakanda...and neither one has ever existed.

Wakanda was a creation of Stan Lee

I live a couple of miles outside the village of Makanda

[kalm]

Wakanda was a creation of Stan Lee

I live a couple of miles outside the village of Makanda

I have a friend who lives outside of Waukon, a few miles away from Cheney.

[UNI88]

I live a couple of miles outside the village of Makanda

I have a friend who lives outside of Waukon, a few miles away from Cheney.

Northern Iowa Coach Mark Farley was from Waukon, Iowa. Known as the “walk-on from Waukon," Farley walked on to the UNI football team and became a three-year starter as an inside linebacker. He led the team in tackles in 1984 and 1985, was named Gateway Football Conference Co-Defensive Player of the Year in 1985, first team all-conference three times, earned honorable mention All-America honors twice and twice named Academic All-American.

[UNI88]

So did Wakanda...and neither one has ever existed.

Wakanda was a creation of Stan Lee

And it could be argued that the concept of "Palestine" was a creation of Britain and France (as part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement).

[dal4018]

Wakanda was a creation of Stan Lee

And it could be argued that the concept of "Palestine" was a creation of Britain and France (as part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement).

So they just decided to drop off the Jews on their doorstep. Then Churchill created the problem.

[kalm]

I suppose these things are impossible to test before making available?

A WhatsApp feature that generates images in response to users’ searches returns a picture of a gun or a boy with a gun when prompted with the terms “Palestinian”, “Palestine” or “Muslim boy Palestinian”, the Guardian has learned.

The search results varied when tested by different users, but the Guardian verified through screenshots and its own tests that various stickers portraying guns surfaced for these three search results. Prompts for “Israeli boy” generated cartoons of children playing soccer and reading. In response to a prompt for “Israel army” the AI created drawings of soldiers smiling and praying, no guns involved.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ias-israel

[dal4018]

Wakanda was a creation of Stan Lee

And it could be argued that the concept of "Palestine" was a creation of Britain and France (as part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement).

England caused trouble everywhere they went and France followed.

[dal4018]

I suppose these things are impossible to test before making available?

A WhatsApp feature that generates images in response to users’ searches returns a picture of a gun or a boy with a gun when prompted with the terms “Palestinian”, “Palestine” or “Muslim boy Palestinian”, the Guardian has learned.

The search results varied when tested by different users, but the Guardian verified through screenshots and its own tests that various stickers portraying guns surfaced for these three search results. Prompts for “Israeli boy” generated cartoons of children playing soccer and reading. In response to a prompt for “Israel army” the AI created drawings of soldiers smiling and praying, no guns involved.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ias-israel

What about Jews and all the wrongdoings they have committed.The IDF even attack their own kind.