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[Caribbean Hen]

So you like and support
Crime
Wars
Inflation
Debt
Enabling a soft population
Urban plantations for votes
Fraud
Laziness
Entitlement
Blaming everyone for your life
Shoplifting
Elitism
Incompetent government in control
Government generated “lifestyle”

Pat yourself on the back

What a sad, ignorant reply.

Well next time your down on the Isla I’ll show you around, might help you have a better understanding on how the policies you vote keep a population down

It’s sad and ignorant of you to support misery

[kalm]

What a sad, ignorant reply.

Well next time your down on the Isla I’ll show you around, might help you have a better understanding on how the policies you vote keep a population down

It’s sad and ignorant of you to support misery

Why would assume I support misery?

[Caribbean Hen]

Well next time your down on the Isla I’ll show you around, might help you have a better understanding on how the policies you vote keep a population down

It’s sad and ignorant of you to support misery

Why would assume I support misery?

In a nutshell

Government assistance to almost half a population just supports more of the same, no real incentive to improve your miserable situation for way to many people.

When is the last time you’ve been off the farm?

[kalm]

Why would assume I support misery?

In a nutshell

Government assistance to almost half a population just supports more of the same, no real incentive to improve your miserable situation for way to many people.

When is the last time you’ve been off the farm?

We have a mixed economy. Everyone…owners, investors, working or not, educated or not, wealthy or not, receives government assistance.

There is a legit incentive/boot straps argument and there’s also a massive corruption/monopoly argument.

I was off the farm yesterday, why?

[SeattleGriz]

In a nutshell

Government assistance to almost half a population just supports more of the same, no real incentive to improve your miserable situation for way to many people.

When is the last time you’ve been off the farm?

We have a mixed economy. Everyone…owners, investors, working or not, educated or not, wealthy or not, receives government assistance.

There is a legit incentive/boot straps argument and there’s also a massive corruption/monopoly argument.

I was off the farm yesterday, why?

You tripped over your apron strings and got a boo boo?

[kalm]

We have a mixed economy. Everyone…owners, investors, working or not, educated or not, wealthy or not, receives government assistance.

There is a legit incentive/boot straps argument and there’s also a massive corruption/monopoly argument.

I was off the farm yesterday, why?

You tripped over your apron strings and got a boo boo?

No

[SeattleGriz]

You tripped over your apron strings and got a boo boo?

No

You tried to fart and pooped your pants instead? Am I getting closer?

[kalm]

No

You tried to fart and pooped your pants instead? Am I getting closer?

No.

[SeattleGriz]

You tried to fart and pooped your pants instead? Am I getting closer?

No.

How long has your farm been in the family?

I know I'm really disappointed in the people that have been leasing our land and managing our cattle. The farm is just too far away for one of us to manage the farm. It's great you are involved with yours.

[UNI88]

Yeah I caught the dates reference, thanks. I voted for BHO once. Same reason I voted for Biden in 2020 and will a second time vs. Trump.

Next!

So you like and support
Crime
Wars
Inflation
Debt
Enabling a soft population
Urban plantations for votes
Fraud
Laziness
Entitlement
Blaming everyone for your life
Shoplifting
Elitism
Incompetent government in control
Government generated “lifestyle”

Pat yourself on the back

When was the last time we had a President who didn’t drive up the debt? Clinton? It sure wasn’t trump.

Is cultivating the urban plantation for votes worse than cultivating bigotry for votes?

Fraud, Laziness, Entitlement, Blaming everyone for your life, and Incompetent government in control applies to Biden and trump.

Is the Democratic Party’s intellectual Elitism worse than Republican Party’s cultural Elitism?


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[kalm]

No.

How long has your farm been in the family?

I know I'm really disappointed in the people that have been leasing our land and managing our cattle. The farm is just too far away for one of us to manage the farm. It's great you are involved with yours.

We purchased in 2019. Specifically for the view and house so it’s tiny. Our 20 acres along with our neighbors switched from wheat to alfalfa this year. We’ve also just purchased 20 Colorado Blue Spruce plugs and will add to that every year to sell either as Christmas trees or to a landscaping company. Ran a test plot of draught resistant sunflowers, amaranth, and lavender to see how they would handle the clay soil. May also try crocus for saffron harvest. Creating sone bird and pollinator habitat this summer and bat houses will go up next year. On account of …. dirty hippie.

Hobby farming at best.

[SeattleGriz]

How long has your farm been in the family?

I know I'm really disappointed in the people that have been leasing our land and managing our cattle. The farm is just too far away for one of us to manage the farm. It's great you are involved with yours.

We purchased in 2019. Specifically for the view and house so it’s tiny. Our 20 acres along with our neighbors switched from wheat to alfalfa this year. We’ve also just purchased 20 Colorado Blue Spruce plugs and will add to that every year to sell either as Christmas trees or to a landscaping company. Ran a test plot of draught resistant sunflowers, amaranth, and lavender to see how they would handle the clay soil. May also try crocus for saffron harvest. Creating sone bird and pollinator habitat this summer and bat houses will go up next year. On account of …. dirty hippie.

Hobby farming at best.

Nice! It's a helluva lot more farming than we do. Best of luck on your hobby farm.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes. Trump was serious about economic nationalism, control over immigration, a renewal of the manufacturing sector, balanced trade and reciprocal tariffs. How could you not know that? Your COVID line is bullshit and you know it.

What has your buddy Biden done for America? Bet you have to go look anything up, because he has no plan to revitalize America. Trump got America humming and he did it with principles conservatives have asked for for years, but then bitched. Mitt Romney Republicans.

trump was serious about trump. Controlling immigration, reviving manufacturing, balanced trade, etc. were just byproducts.

My COVID line is completely valid. COVID hit and trump didn't know what to do. He's a self absorbed but incompetent boob and if he hadn't been born with a silver spoon in his mouth he'd be addicted to meth and living under a bridge.

Why do you keep trying to make it like I support Biden. I can't stand trump or Biden, he and trump are both corrupt twats.

Conservatives used to believe in individual freedom, equality and the separation of church and state. Now we have a bunch of self righteous and delusional prudes who believe that America was founded as “a sovereign Christian nation” meant to serve “a people of distinct culture, history and identity” (i.e. straight, white Christians).

Are you going to answer what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during Covid? I previously asked and you have yet to respond.

[UNI88]

trump was serious about trump. Controlling immigration, reviving manufacturing, balanced trade, etc. were just byproducts.

My COVID line is completely valid. COVID hit and trump didn't know what to do. He's a self absorbed but incompetent boob and if he hadn't been born with a silver spoon in his mouth he'd be addicted to meth and living under a bridge.

Why do you keep trying to make it like I support Biden. I can't stand trump or Biden, he and trump are both corrupt twats.

Conservatives used to believe in individual freedom, equality and the separation of church and state. Now we have a bunch of self righteous and delusional prudes who believe that America was founded as “a sovereign Christian nation” meant to serve “a people of distinct culture, history and identity” (i.e. straight, white Christians).

Are you going to answer what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during Covid? I previously asked and you have yet to respond.

How did trump demonstrate his incompetence and/or lack of ability to lead during a crisis:
1) he disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.
2) he failed to take the pandemic seriously from the start. In February 2020 when other nations were ramping up their responses he stated “the coronavirus is very much under control".
3) he twiddled his thumbs while other countries were coordinating the manufacturing and stockpiling of protective gear for frontline workers and helping make testing available.
4) he promoted unproven solutions to gullible followers.
5) he listened to Fauxi too much. Fauxi was knowledgeable but compromised.
6) he continued to downplay the virus, saying it was going to disappear or had disappeared.

He took too long to take the virus seriously and then to compound the mistake kept throwing money at the problem after he should have stopped.

He can't handle adversity. He'll take credit if things are going well but he looks for a scapegoat if they aren't because he doesn't think he's ever responsible for anything bad. That is not a good quality in a leader during a crisis.

[houndawg]

Are you going to answer what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during Covid? I previously asked and you have yet to respond.

How did trump demonstrate his incompetence and/or lack of ability to lead during a crisis:
1) he disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.
2) he failed to take the pandemic seriously from the start. In February 2020 when other nations were ramping up their responses he stated “the coronavirus is very much under control".
3) he twiddled his thumbs while other countries were coordinating the manufacturing and stockpiling of protective gear for frontline workers and helping make testing available.
4) he promoted unproven solutions to gullible followers.
5) he listened to Fauxi too much. Fauxi was knowledgeable but compromised.
6) he continued to downplay the virus, saying it was going to disappear or had disappeared.

He took too long to take the virus seriously and then to compound the mistake kept throwing money at the problem after he should have stopped.

He can't handle adversity. He'll take credit if things are going well but he looks for a scapegoat if they aren't because he doesn't think he's ever responsible for anything bad. That is not a good quality in a leader during a crisis.

Its a good thing that Ebola didn't happen on his watch.

[Caribbean Hen]

How did trump demonstrate his incompetence and/or lack of ability to lead during a crisis:
1) he disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.
2) he failed to take the pandemic seriously from the start. In February 2020 when other nations were ramping up their responses he stated “the coronavirus is very much under control".
3) he twiddled his thumbs while other countries were coordinating the manufacturing and stockpiling of protective gear for frontline workers and helping make testing available.
4) he promoted unproven solutions to gullible followers.
5) he listened to Fauxi too much. Fauxi was knowledgeable but compromised.
6) he continued to downplay the virus, saying it was going to disappear or had disappeared.

He took too long to take the virus seriously and then to compound the mistake kept throwing money at the problem after he should have stopped.

He can't handle adversity. He'll take credit if things are going well but he looks for a scapegoat if they aren't because he doesn't think he's ever responsible for anything bad. That is not a good quality in a leader during a crisis.

Its a good thing that Ebola didn't happen on his watch.

Get tough on China and what happened?

COVID

Chinese wanted the demented one and besides, they have pictures of Hunter with minors on his visit to China

Jojo Chang Biden is owned

[SeattleGriz]

Are you going to answer what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during Covid? I previously asked and you have yet to respond.

How did trump demonstrate his incompetence and/or lack of ability to lead during a crisis:
1) he disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.
2) he failed to take the pandemic seriously from the start. In February 2020 when other nations were ramping up their responses he stated “the coronavirus is very much under control".
3) he twiddled his thumbs while other countries were coordinating the manufacturing and stockpiling of protective gear for frontline workers and helping make testing available.
4) he promoted unproven solutions to gullible followers.
5) he listened to Fauxi too much. Fauxi was knowledgeable but compromised.
6) he continued to downplay the virus, saying it was going to disappear or had disappeared.

He took too long to take the virus seriously and then to compound the mistake kept throwing money at the problem after he should have stopped.

He can't handle adversity. He'll take credit if things are going well but he looks for a scapegoat if they aren't because he doesn't think he's ever responsible for anything bad. That is not a good quality in a leader during a crisis.

Way to answer a question that wasn't asked. I asked you what he was supposed to do to keep the economy rolling. Your list smells of a liberal rag and that you don't have an answer. You painted yourself into a corner and got caught again.

The only item on that list that comes close to keeping the economy rolling was not listening to Fauci. An easy answer would have been to simply say, " be more like Sweden", or "go with the established science and don't lock down". But we all know what would have happened. It would have been 24/7 assault on how Trump was killing grandmas when that wasn't true.

[UNI88]

How did trump demonstrate his incompetence and/or lack of ability to lead during a crisis:
1) he disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.
2) he failed to take the pandemic seriously from the start. In February 2020 when other nations were ramping up their responses he stated “the coronavirus is very much under control".
3) he twiddled his thumbs while other countries were coordinating the manufacturing and stockpiling of protective gear for frontline workers and helping make testing available.
4) he promoted unproven solutions to gullible followers.
5) he listened to Fauxi too much. Fauxi was knowledgeable but compromised.
6) he continued to downplay the virus, saying it was going to disappear or had disappeared.

He took too long to take the virus seriously and then to compound the mistake kept throwing money at the problem after he should have stopped.

He can't handle adversity. He'll take credit if things are going well but he looks for a scapegoat if they aren't because he doesn't think he's ever responsible for anything bad. That is not a good quality in a leader during a crisis.

Way to answer a question that wasn't asked. I asked you what he was supposed to do to keep the economy rolling. Your list smells of a liberal rag and that you don't have an answer. You painted yourself into a corner and got caught again.

The only item on that list that comes close to keeping the economy rolling was not listening to Fauci. An easy answer would have been to simply say, " be more like Sweden", or "go with the established science and don't lock down". But we all know what would have happened. It would have been 24/7 assault on how Trump was killing grandmas when that wasn't true.

I chose not to answer your very limited question because you asked it in response to my posting the following:

My COVID line is completely valid. COVID hit and trump didn't know what to do. He's a self absorbed but incompetent boob and if he hadn't been born with a silver spoon in his mouth he'd be addicted to meth and living under a bridge.

That statement wasn't just about the economy so my response didn't need to be just about the economy. So your transparent attempt to limit my response and make it easier to argue against failed miserably.

What did you do next? Fell back on one of your typical responses (defend, deflect, call fake news, cry tDS, attack the messenger, etc.) to any criticism of trump.

You worship trump, he is your false god.

[BDKJMU]

Can’t force consumers to buy something they don’t want at a price high enough to be profitable..
Ford Loses Nearly $60,000 for Every Electric Vehicle Sold
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... r-AA1aEOzO

After losing 2.1 billion on its EVs in 2022, for 2023:

Ford set to lose $4.5 billion on electric vehicles this year, despite increased revenue
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ ... ed-revenue

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

…..But this week on GM's third-quarter earnings call, Barra and GM struck a more sober tone. The company announced with its quarterly results that it's abandoning its targets to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year and another 400,000 by the first six months of 2024. GM doesn't know when it will hit those targets….

….Even Tesla's Elon Musk warned on a recent earnings call that economic concerns would lead to waning vehicle demand, even for the long-time EV market leader.

Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz — which is having to discount its EVs by several thousand dollars just to get them in customers' hands — isn't mincing words about the state of the EV market.

"This is a pretty brutal space," CFO Harald Wilhelm said on an analyst call. "I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody."

But Mercedes isn't the only one; almost all current EV product is going for under sticker price these days, and on top of that, some EVs are seeing manufacturer's incentives of nearly 10%.

That's as inventory builds up at dealerships, much to the chagrin of dealers. While car buyers are in luck if they're looking for a deal on a plug-in vehicle, executives are finding even significant markdowns and discounts aren't enough. These cars are taking dealers longer to sell compared with their gas counterparts as the next wave of buyers focus on cost, infrastructure challenges, and lifestyle barriers to adopting.

Just a few months after dealers started coming forward to warn of slowing EV demand, manufacturers appear to be catching up to that reality. Ford was the first to fold, after dealers started turning away Mach-E allocations. In July, the company extended its self-imposed deadline to hit annual electric vehicle production of 600,000 by a year, and abandoned a 2026 target to build 2 million EVs.

In scrapping plans with GM to co-develop sub-$30,000 EVs, Honda CEO Toshihiro Mibe said the shifting EV environment was difficult to gauge.

"After studying this for a year, we decided that this would be difficult as a business, so at the moment we are ending development of an affordable EV," Mibe said in an interview with Bloomberg this week.

For some, this pullback is no surprise.

"People are finally seeing reality," Toyota Motor Chairman Akio Toyoda said at the Japan Mobility Show, the Wall Street Journal reported. Toyoda has long been skeptical of his peers' pure-electric blueprints.

[SeattleGriz]

Way to answer a question that wasn't asked. I asked you what he was supposed to do to keep the economy rolling. Your list smells of a liberal rag and that you don't have an answer. You painted yourself into a corner and got caught again.

The only item on that list that comes close to keeping the economy rolling was not listening to Fauci. An easy answer would have been to simply say, " be more like Sweden", or "go with the established science and don't lock down". But we all know what would have happened. It would have been 24/7 assault on how Trump was killing grandmas when that wasn't true.

I chose not to answer your very limited question because you asked it in response to my posting the following:

My COVID line is completely valid. COVID hit and trump didn't know what to do. He's a self absorbed but incompetent boob and if he hadn't been born with a silver spoon in his mouth he'd be addicted to meth and living under a bridge.

That statement wasn't just about the economy so my response didn't need to be just about the economy. So your transparent attempt to limit my response and make it easier to argue against failed miserably.

What did you do next? Fell back on one of your typical responses (defend, deflect, call fake news, cry tDS, attack the messenger, etc.) to any criticism of trump.

You worship trump, he is your false god.

Then you shouldn't have backed yourself into a corner by initially stating the following in rebuttal to my statement that Trump actually had an economic plan.

trump had an economic plan for America? What happened to that plan when the shit hit the fan with COVID? His plan (and his leadership) couldn't handle adversity.

I specifically asked you what you would have done. You glossed over this and changed the subject. This one should be easy for you. Didn't you tell StOnge you were educated in economics?

Your desire to simply rebut anything with "but Trump" has gotten you into a debate pickle yet again.

[UNI88]

I chose not to answer your very limited question because you asked it in response to my posting the following:

That statement wasn't just about the economy so my response didn't need to be just about the economy. So your transparent attempt to limit my response and make it easier to argue against failed miserably.

What did you do next? Fell back on one of your typical responses (defend, deflect, call fake news, cry tDS, attack the messenger, etc.) to any criticism of trump.

You worship trump, he is your false god.

Then you shouldn't have backed yourself into a corner by initially stating the following in rebuttal to my statement that Trump actually had an economic plan.

trump had an economic plan for America? What happened to that plan when the shit hit the fan with COVID? His plan (and his leadership) couldn't handle adversity.

I specifically asked you what you would have done. You glossed over this and changed the subject. This one should be easy for you. Didn't you tell StOnge you were educated in economics?

Your desire to simply rebut anything with "but Trump" has gotten you into a debate pickle yet again.

You tell me - how did trump's supposed economic plan fair when COVID hit? How did the economy do? If he's such a genius (art of the deal and all that) then he should have been able to adjust the plan and the US economy should have sailed right through the pandemic. Did that happen?

I stand by my statement - "his plan (and his leadership) couldn't handle adversity." Prove me wrong.

[SeattleGriz]

Then you shouldn't have backed yourself into a corner by initially stating the following in rebuttal to my statement that Trump actually had an economic plan.



I specifically asked you what you would have done. You glossed over this and changed the subject. This one should be easy for you. Didn't you tell StOnge you were educated in economics?

Your desire to simply rebut anything with "but Trump" has gotten you into a debate pickle yet again.

You tell me - how did trump's supposed economic plan fair when COVID hit? How did the economy do? If he's such a genius (art of the deal and all that) then he should have been able to adjust the plan and the US economy should have sailed right through the pandemic. Did that happen?

I stand by my statement - "his plan (and his leadership) couldn't handle adversity." Prove me wrong.

No bro. You don't get to deflect and back track. Specifically tell us all what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during COVID. That was the original question to your statement.

You started this, now finish it...or keep deflecting because you simply pulled a TDS moment without any thought of how to back up your statement.

[UNI88]

You tell me - how did trump's supposed economic plan fair when COVID hit? How did the economy do? If he's such a genius (art of the deal and all that) then he should have been able to adjust the plan and the US economy should have sailed right through the pandemic. Did that happen?

I stand by my statement - "his plan (and his leadership) couldn't handle adversity." Prove me wrong.

No bro. You don't get to deflect and back track. Specifically tell us all what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during COVID. That was the original question to your statement.

You started this, now finish it...or keep deflecting because you simply pulled a TDS moment without any thought of how to back up your statement.

You can't prove me wrong and your response is to put words into my mouth and ask me to justify them. I've already listed a number of areas where trump dropped the ball some of them impacted the economy.

More importantly, if trump is the genius that the MAGAt yahoo cult believes he is then he should have been able to adjust his plan to account for the pandemic. Why didn't he? Because he isn't a genius.

[UNI88]

[SeattleGriz]

No bro. You don't get to deflect and back track. Specifically tell us all what Trump should have done to keep the economy rolling during COVID. That was the original question to your statement.

You started this, now finish it...or keep deflecting because you simply pulled a TDS moment without any thought of how to back up your statement.

You can't prove me wrong and your response is to put words into my mouth and ask me to justify them. I've already listed a number of areas where trump dropped the ball some of them impacted the economy.

More importantly, if trump is the genius that the MAGAt yahoo cult believes he is then he should have been able to adjust his plan to account for the pandemic. Why didn't he? Because he isn't a genius.

Further deflection and backing away from your original statement noted. You had nothing to back up your TDS statement, but you fired it off anyway and got busted.