The Guardian.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:00 amThis might help you.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 am
Noted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... us-beliefsNaomi Klein examines the mushrooming of conspiracism in her new book Doppelganger, noting that people often come under its sway because they are searching for a practical solution to a sense of unfairness. Conspiracists have a “fantasy of justice”, hoping that the evil-doing elites can be arrested and stopped. “Conspiracy theorists get the facts wrong but often get the feelings right,” she writes. “The feeling that every human misery is someone else’s profit … the feeling that important truths are being hidden.” She quotes digital journalism scholar Marcus Gilroy-Ware’s conclusion that: “Conspiracy theories are a misfiring of a healthy and justifiable political instinct: suspicion.”
Lee’s appetite for conspiracies started to wane when the “alt-right” US broadcaster Alex Jones began claiming that the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax, that no one died and the parents of the 20 children who died were “crisis actors” – hired to play disaster victims. Lee found this implausible and felt irritated by other wild theories swirling around the internet – that Justin Bieber and Eminem were Illuminati clones, that a paedophile ring, involving people at the highest level of the Democratic party, was operating out of a Washington pizza restaurant. “I looked at Pizzagate and thought, ‘Well that’s just stupid.’” (He spends six podcast episodes debunking the Pizzagate conspiracy; this seems a pithier summary.)
When Covid triggered a popularity surge for conspiracy theorists, Lee was already done with it, and simply noted that if there really was a global movement working to establish a new world order through the pandemic, they were going about it in a strikingly ill-coordinated and muddled manner. “The governments weren’t acting in lockstep with each other. There was no well-oiled machine; it was disorganised. No one was in charge.”
He understands why other people were attracted to the idea: “Just like 9/11 brought people into conspiracies, Covid was another moment when people were scared and wanted answers, and they found conspiracy influencers saying: ‘Don’t worry about it, it’s not real.’”
Lee was an early adopter of ideas that have surged in popularity as people spend more time online, and as trust in the mainstream media falters with the suggestion (much propagated by the former US president Donald Trump) that they are spreaders of fake news. The emergence of QAnon (which propagates the baseless theory that Trump was battling a cabal of sex-trafficking satanists, some of whom were Democrats) has attracted more people to this world. Lee’s interests preceded the arrival of powerful opinion-shaping algorithms pushing people into closed loops of fact-free narratives. Since leaving the fold he has developed a sharp clarity about the self-interested financial motivations of conspiracists who work to monetise their online presence with increasingly wild, clickbaity dispatches.
We’re no longer talking about minor fringe movements – radicalisation is spreading through a complex system of beliefs “It’s a big problem that’s getting much worse. People are being manipulated with misinformation,” he says. He was disturbed by the death in 2021 of Ashli Babbitt, the woman shot by a police officer during the 6 January riots inside the US Capitol. Her Twitter feed was full of references to QAnon conspiracies. “That could have been me or my partner,” he says of Babbitt. “She believed what we believed. That’s what made me think I should speak out, tell my story to help bring other conspiracists out, so they don’t become the next Ashli.”
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This reply is so 2012 when Baldy used to say the same when I posted Glenn Greenwald Guardian pieces. Bet you like Greenwald now, don’t ya? And Taibbi as well.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:44 amThe Guardian.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:00 am
This might help you.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... us-beliefsTalk about foil hat blueanon. I post facts and you post feelz.
I guarantee you the Guardian is better journalism and more accurate reporting than Timcast or Heartland Ivstitute or whatever anything is you go to.
Attack the source, not the story and facts.
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So you don't deny sucking Russian cock?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 amNoted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
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Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Besides, the article was subjective. It wasn't about facts, it was about their feelz. Foil hat feelz.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:16 pmThis reply is so 2012 when Baldy used to say the same when I posted Glenn Greenwald Guardian pieces. Bet you like Greenwald now, don’t ya? And Taibbi as well.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:44 am
The Guardian.Talk about foil hat blueanon. I post facts and you post feelz.
I guarantee you the Guardian is better journalism and more accurate reporting than Timcast or Heartland Ivstitute or whatever anything is you go to.
Attack the source, not the story and facts.
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What is it with you and your obsession about sucking dicks?!?houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:58 pmSo you don't deny sucking Russian cock?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 am
Noted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
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That’s why I said story and and facts. Ya see, SG, actual journalism contains both.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:28 pmJust giving you a dose of your own medicine. Besides, the article was subjective. It wasn't about facts, it was about their feelz. Foil hat feelz.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:16 pm
This reply is so 2012 when Baldy used to say the same when I posted Glenn Greenwald Guardian pieces. Bet you like Greenwald now, don’t ya? And Taibbi as well.
I guarantee you the Guardian is better journalism and more accurate reporting than Timcast or Heartland Ivstitute or whatever anything is you go to.
Attack the source, not the story and facts.
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Better journalism.You just can't stay away from shit sources. Remember Mueller She Wrote? You used to quote her nonstop until she was exposed as a big fat liar.
Maaaaybe?
Remember MSW? I still follow her. What has she lied about? I do remember an attempted hit job on her that went nowhere. Otherwise, she’s a good aggregate for Trump legal news. Part of the reason I’m months ahead of you on most things.
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kalm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:18 pmThat’s why I said story and and facts. Ya see, SG, actual journalism contains both.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:28 pm
Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Besides, the article was subjective. It wasn't about facts, it was about their feelz. Foil hat feelz.
Better journalism.You just can't stay away from shit sources. Remember Mueller She Wrote? You used to quote her nonstop until she was exposed as a big fat liar.
Are there people out there susceptible to every conspiracy that agrees with their own bias?
Maaaaybe?![]()
Remember MSW? I still follow her. What has she lied about? I do remember an attempted hit job on her that went nowhere. Otherwise, she’s a good aggregate for Trump legal news. Part of the reason I’m months ahead of you on most things.
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Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?
What was your reaction when Russia came down hard on pro-RU military bloggers? Something like that? Or, I guess it's just an example of how Russia has a very open and transparent society.
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Denazification is going swimmingly
Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770738
Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
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I was commenting on your hat, and how if the shoe fits...SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:30 pmWhat is it with you and your obsession about sucking dicks?!?
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Pretty damn good… I think. But it’s tough to keep track of all the different cases and indictments.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:25 pmkalm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:18 pm
That’s why I said story and and facts. Ya see, SG, actual journalism contains both.Are there people out there susceptible to every conspiracy that agrees with their own bias?
Maaaaybe?![]()
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Ugly.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:50 pm Denazification is going swimmingly
Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
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All the cases and indictments? Where have all those gone. That's like touting preseason rankings, only to fall to middle to bottom of the conference when the game is played.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:48 amPretty damn good… I think. But it’s tough to keep track of all the different cases and indictments.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:25 pm
Yes. How's your record on Trump going? 0 for ???, but any day now, they're gonna get him.
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I had SDSU, MSU, Idaho, NDSU, and Furman in my pre-season top 10. I didn’t have EWU ranked at all.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:09 amAll the cases and indictments? Where have all those gone. That's like touting preseason rankings, only to fall to middle to bottom of the conference when the game is played.
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They are grist for the mill of justice, thats why all his lawyers are leaping from the train like fleas from a mangey dog. Even Ivanka is about to turn on him - she doesn't need his pittance anymore - thanks to Mr. Bone Saw she and Jared are worth 10x what her daddy is worthSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:09 amAll the cases and indictments? Where have all those gone. That's like touting preseason rankings, only to fall to middle to bottom of the conference when the game is played.
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Might have something to do with Speaker Johnson separating out UKR spending from Israel funding.
Nah…
Nah…
https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker- ... na-1838501The Texas-based American Ethane company previously donated tens of thousands of dollars to the campaigns of Louisiana Republicans including Johnson, who was voted by the House to replace Rep. Kevin McCarthy as Speaker on Wednesday following three weeks of GOP chaos in the lower chamber.
While American Ethane was run in 2018 by American John Houghtaling, 88 percent of the firm was owned by three Russian nationals—Konstantin Nikolaev, Mikhail Yuriev, and Andrey Kunatbaev.
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Coincidencekalm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:21 am Might have something to do with Speaker Johnson separating out UKR spending from Israel funding.
Nah…
https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker- ... na-1838501The Texas-based American Ethane company previously donated tens of thousands of dollars to the campaigns of Louisiana Republicans including Johnson, who was voted by the House to replace Rep. Kevin McCarthy as Speaker on Wednesday following three weeks of GOP chaos in the lower chamber.
While American Ethane was run in 2018 by American John Houghtaling, 88 percent of the firm was owned by three Russian nationals—Konstantin Nikolaev, Mikhail Yuriev, and Andrey Kunatbaev.
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The Party of Reagan.houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:09 pmCoincidencekalm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:21 am Might have something to do with Speaker Johnson separating out UKR spending from Israel funding.
Nah…
https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker- ... na-1838501
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All clutching their pearls and bleating about Joes's mental health as if Presidents with dementia are something new...
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So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:30 pmLol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?
What was your reaction when Russia came down hard on pro-RU military bloggers? Something like that? Or, I guess it's just an example of how Russia has a very open and transparent society.![]()
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
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Will russia accept a peace deal that includes Ukraine joining NATO? Any deal without that is just giving russia time to prep for another invasion and should be a non-starter for Ukraine.SDHornet wrote:So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:30 pm Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
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All for not? Is it over? Did UKR surrender? Is Russia still strong like bull?SDHornet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:00 amSo that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:30 pm
Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
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Who knows what they'll accept, but they hold all the cards now. Neocons shot down an offer before the SMO started and one when the SMO was 4 months old.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:07 amWill russia accept a peace deal that includes Ukraine joining NATO? Any deal without that is just giving russia time to prep for another invasion and should be a non-starter for Ukraine.SDHornet wrote:
So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L.![]()
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Looks like someone lost a hat bet!!SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:38 pmAppearing to take Kiev seemed like a feint to freeze Ukrainian forces. I will say that what I have heard is Putin miscalculated in believing he could send forces in and the ethnic Russians were going to help. Apparently the ethnic Russians said that if Russia's forces weren't going to stay, there would be retribution on them, so they didn't help. That changed the war to what we see now. Ukrainians entrenched and Russia slowly advancing as the simply destroy their positions with artillery.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:23 pm
What were Putin's expectations? How does everything that has happened fit into his master plan?
Why did he waste time and resources "appearing" to be attempting to take Kiev when all he wanted was parts of eastern and southern Ukraine?
How is a long, drawn-out war that gives the west time to further arm Ukraine to Putin's advantage?
Are the stories of frustration and sinking morale among Russian troops false? Are the stories of the Russian generals that have been killed false?
In regards to Ukraine gaining any sort of upper hand due to a long drawn out war, that has not happened and won't happen. Ukrainian forces have been decimated.
Yes, stories of frustration and dead generals are false. Russia is stomping Ukraine's ass.
Remember we have a hat bet!! I keep hearing Ukraine will be a rump state though and also hearing Russia is rotating troops and getting ready for a big offensive.
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