Global fascism

[houndawg]

Hamas would if they could..

‘From the river to the sea’..

You do know Netanayu also used that phrase last week.

Nobody can piss away goodwill like that bloodthirsty little fuck.

Very impressed with the family members of the hostages crashing the government meeting - from the film it looked they heading for fist city.

I hope they shove a two-state solution down his throat and make him eat it all

[UNI88]

You do know Netanayu also used that phrase last week.

Nobody can piss away goodwill like that bloodthirsty little fuck.

Very impressed with the family members of the hostages crashing the government meeting - from the film it looked they heading for fist city.

I hope they shove a two-state solution down his throat and make him eat it all

Do you really think two states will be a "solution"?

There will be Palestinians who will think it isn't enough and continue to use terrorist tactics. The question is will the Palestinian government hunt them or hide them? Two states may work if they hunt them. If they don't, Israel will retaliate and we won't be far from where we started.

[GannonFan]

Nobody can piss away goodwill like that bloodthirsty little fuck.

Very impressed with the family members of the hostages crashing the government meeting - from the film it looked they heading for fist city.

I hope they shove a two-state solution down his throat and make him eat it all

Do you really think two states will be a "solution"?

There will be Palestinians who will think it isn't enough and continue to use terrorist tactics. The question is will the Palestinian government hunt them or hide them? Two states may work if they hunt them. If they don't, Israel will retaliate and we won't be far from where we started.

I think we have to keep trying, even with the knowledge that many if not most Palestinians won't be satisfied until Israel is erased from existence. As soon as Israel moved out of Gaza 20 years ago or so, the first thing Palestinians did in a free election was to vote in a terrorist regime in Hamas who's singular goal was the destruction of Israel. The problem will continue to be, even in a new state, that way too many Palestinians will be unsatisfied with whatever state they have while Israel exists. But, I'd rather err on the side of trying to do the right thing than just giving up.

[houndawg]

Nobody can piss away goodwill like that bloodthirsty little fuck.

Very impressed with the family members of the hostages crashing the government meeting - from the film it looked they heading for fist city.

I hope they shove a two-state solution down his throat and make him eat it all

Do you really think two states will be a "solution"?

There will be Palestinians who will think it isn't enough and continue to use terrorist tactics. The question is will the Palestinian government hunt them or hide them? Two states may work if they hunt them. If they don't, Israel will retaliate and we won't be far from where we started.

No. I don't think there is any solution actually. Too much bloodshed for far too long for these groups to ever bury the hatchet in today's world.

Turmoil in the region doesn't serve our interests so we have to try something, just to say we're trying I guess

[houndawg]

Do you really think two states will be a "solution"?

There will be Palestinians who will think it isn't enough and continue to use terrorist tactics. The question is will the Palestinian government hunt them or hide them? Two states may work if they hunt them. If they don't, Israel will retaliate and we won't be far from where we started.

I think we have to keep trying, even with the knowledge that many if not most Palestinians won't be satisfied until Israel is erased from existence. As soon as Israel moved out of Gaza 20 years ago or so, the first thing Palestinians did in a free election was to vote in a terrorist regime in Hamas who's singular goal was the destruction of Israel. The problem will continue to be, even in a new state, that way too many Palestinians will be unsatisfied with whatever state they have while Israel exists. But, I'd rather err on the side of trying to do the right thing than just giving up.

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

[Caribbean Hen]

I think we have to keep trying, even with the knowledge that many if not most Palestinians won't be satisfied until Israel is erased from existence. As soon as Israel moved out of Gaza 20 years ago or so, the first thing Palestinians did in a free election was to vote in a terrorist regime in Hamas who's singular goal was the destruction of Israel. The problem will continue to be, even in a new state, that way too many Palestinians will be unsatisfied with whatever state they have while Israel exists. But, I'd rather err on the side of trying to do the right thing than just giving up.

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

I’m sure you’re offering to give your property back to the Apache

[GannonFan]

I think we have to keep trying, even with the knowledge that many if not most Palestinians won't be satisfied until Israel is erased from existence. As soon as Israel moved out of Gaza 20 years ago or so, the first thing Palestinians did in a free election was to vote in a terrorist regime in Hamas who's singular goal was the destruction of Israel. The problem will continue to be, even in a new state, that way too many Palestinians will be unsatisfied with whatever state they have while Israel exists. But, I'd rather err on the side of trying to do the right thing than just giving up.

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

I'm sure I might. Also, there were plenty of Jews who lived in that section of the world prior to the creation of the state of Israel, and even well before the creation of the Zionist movement. Also, there are many Jews who now live in Israel who were forced out of their countries in the surrounding area (i.e. not Europe) by Muslim nations. If it was as simple as you say then we wouldn't be in this situation now.

[GannonFan]

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

I’m sure you’re offering to give your property back to the Apache

As long as the Apache promise to give the land back then to whoever was there before they were.

[Caribbean Hen]

I’m sure you’re offering to give your property back to the Apache

As long as the Apache promise to give the land back then to whoever was there before they were.

Who were they?

[UNI88]

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

I’m sure you’re offering to give your property back to the Apache

Houndy is so old he moved from California to Illinois back when Cahokia was the center of civilization in what is now the USA. He traded for his property directly with the Mississippians.

[houndawg]

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

I’m sure you’re offering to give your property back to the Apache

red herring, irrelevant

The Apache were 1500 miles from here.

[houndawg]

you'd feel the same way if it were your family who lost their land to settlers who showed up uninvited

I'm sure I might. Also, there were plenty of Jews who lived in that section of the world prior to the creation of the state of Israel, and even well before the creation of the Zionist movement. Also, there are many Jews who now live in Israel who were forced out of their countries in the surrounding area (i.e. not Europe) by Muslim nations. If it was as simple as you say then we wouldn't be in this situation now.

Well, yes, that's, kind of, you know...common knowledge?

I think the problem has more to do with who else was there prior to the creation of the State of Israel - the people who lost their land when the settlers came to the State of Israel.

[houndawg]

I’m sure you’re offering to give your property back to the Apache

Houndy is so old he moved from California to Illinois back when Cahokia was the center of civilization in what is now the USA. He traded for his property directly with the Mississippians.

Traded a bow saw and some beaver pelts for it, just a couple hours south of the mounds - although it took longer back in the day

[GannonFan]

I'm sure I might. Also, there were plenty of Jews who lived in that section of the world prior to the creation of the state of Israel, and even well before the creation of the Zionist movement. Also, there are many Jews who now live in Israel who were forced out of their countries in the surrounding area (i.e. not Europe) by Muslim nations. If it was as simple as you say then we wouldn't be in this situation now.

Well, yes, that's, kind of, you know...common knowledge?

I think the problem has more to do with who else was there prior to the creation of the State of Israel - the people who lost their land when the settlers came to the State of Israel.

Based on postings here and demonstrations by those who should know better, I'm not sure any of this is really common knowledge anymore. And again, there were plenty of problems that were present before the creation of the State of Israel, that was just another link in the chain if you will. Granted, a big link, but still just another step.

[houndawg]

Well, yes, that's, kind of, you know...common knowledge?

I think the problem has more to do with who else was there prior to the creation of the State of Israel - the people who lost their land when the settlers came to the State of Israel.

Based on postings here and demonstrations by those who should know better, I'm not sure any of this is really common knowledge anymore. And again, there were plenty of problems that were present before the creation of the State of Israel, that was just another link in the chain if you will. Granted, a big link, but still just another step.

I can't think of a bigger one

[GannonFan]

Based on postings here and demonstrations by those who should know better, I'm not sure any of this is really common knowledge anymore. And again, there were plenty of problems that were present before the creation of the State of Israel, that was just another link in the chain if you will. Granted, a big link, but still just another step.

I can't think of a bigger one

Of course, because there isn't one. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a pretty long chain, going back to at least the 1880's, if not earlier.

[houndawg]

I can't think of a bigger one

Of course, because there isn't one. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a pretty long chain, going back to at least the 1880's, if not earlier.

Which brings us full circle to my comment that there isn't a solution

[GannonFan]

Of course, because there isn't one. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a pretty long chain, going back to at least the 1880's, if not earlier.

Which brings us full circle to my comment that there isn't a solution

We were in agreement with that - I posted that just prior to yours.

[kalm]

[kalm]

A fractured Europe is a bad thing, right?

In Romania, the presidential election late last year was dramatically annulled by the courts, after evidence emerged of mass interference via social media in support of the far-right candidate Călin Georgescu. But the re-run will take place later this year, and may nonetheless see another surge of support for Georgescu.

In the Czech Republic too, elections will probably bring the populist Andrej Babiš’s Action for Dissatisfied Citizens (Ano) party back to power. This would lead to a realignment of the Czech Republic with Viktor Orbán’s illiberal regime in Hungary and Robert Fico’s Slovakia. Perhaps in France too, if Emmanuel Macron’s latest attempt at establishing a stable government fails, the rise of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally to power may become unstoppable.

Far-right parties come in different shapes and forms in Europe, and are still some distance from representing a blocking minority in the EU. But they are growing in strength and numbers, have made headway in coordinating with each other in EU institutions, and are increasingly effective at influencing the centre right, fudging and erasing the cordon sanitaire that kept them out of power for decades.

Against this backdrop, Trump 2.0 and Musk enter the fray, making no secret of their political preferences in Europe. With the German election approaching, Musk has openly praised the neo-Nazi Alternative für Deutschland, hosting a live talk with its leader, Alice Weidel, on X to promote it. Musk seems to regard making derogatory comments about centre-left leaders Keir Starmer and Olaf Scholz a blood sport.

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