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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:12 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:41 am "Because I'm the most qualified person in this country to be President of the United States and finish the job I started," Biden responded.

Biden actually believes this is ….. because he’s an idiot or senile… take your pick

America is catching on slowly but starting to get it

He might still win the election though because of the 15 million new voters he purposely allowed to illegally cross the border

What a disaster
He’s clearly declining and that’s a very arrogant statement to make.

The DNC is protecting him by avoiding debates and states like Florida aren’t even holding primaries. Not very democratic is it?
It was obvious he was declining before the 2020 election, but the media and his campaign hid it as best they could. Even with that, you could see his trajectory was not good, coupled with how he had cue cards for everything.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Tucker - who blew up Nord stream?

Putin - (while pointing ) you did

Tucker (while smiling) I was busy that day

Putin thought that was funny
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:35 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:21 pm

Aww. Didn't know you were so afraid of an interview.
Seriously, if you’re going to send The Ukraine hundreds of billions doesn't it make sense to at least ask some questions…. no doubt we’re being scammed
...if you're going to send a "journalist" doesn't it make sense to at least ask some questions too? I liked the part where Putin said the CIA was lucky they didn't hire him (Tucker)
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:21 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:20 am Ok
Tucker Carlson has interviewed Putin.

Tucker should now offer to interview Biden with the focus being on The Ukraine conflict. Let’s see our President walk us through how this conflict is going to end
Holy shit. Could you even imagine what that would be like? Joey Rotten couldn't even handle more than five minutes without his cue cards.

That interview with Putin showed how utterly vacuous Joey Rotten's mind is. I'd put Biden's faculties on the same level as Houndies.

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It would be easy, since Tucker didn't ask any questions in his hard-hitting interview
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:43 am Tucker - who blew up Nord stream?

Putin - (while pointing ) you did

Tucker (while smiling) I was busy that day

Putin thought that was funny
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Straight jacket…XXXL

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tucker like trump is putin’s b!tch.


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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:56 am tucker like trump is putin’s b!tch.


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You get summoned to Russia to conduct an "interview" and then, just like Trump in Helsinki, you sit there doing nothing for like 30 minutes while Putin talks about Russian history from its beginning. After which he turns to you and stresses how lucky US Intelligence community was that they rejected Tucker's attempt to join them... :rofl:

One journalist described Putin's demeanor as that of "..somebody trying to explain Algebra to a goat.." :lmao:
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:50 pm Straight jacket…XXXL

Whoever the next President is will be taking over a disaster and elitist snob Jill and the entire lying lot of this pathetic administration is complicit including the Fourth estate. Teflon Joe is actually lucky he has dementia as he be won’t able to remember how he let everything fall apart
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houndawg wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:55 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:56 am tucker like trump is putin’s b!tch.


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:shock:

You get summoned to Russia to conduct an "interview" and then, just like Trump in Helsinki, you sit there doing nothing for like 30 minutes while Putin talks about Russian history from its beginning. After which he turns to you and stresses how lucky US Intelligence community was that they rejected Tucker's attempt to join them... :rofl:

One journalist described Putin's demeanor as that of "..somebody trying to explain Algebra to a goat.." :lmao:
Remember when our “intelligence” was selling the lie that Putin was sick, senile and dying?

I bet you believed it and just think how many other lies they have tried to spread about this conflict
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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houndawg wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:55 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:56 am tucker like trump is putin’s b!tch.


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:shock:

You get summoned to Russia to conduct an "interview" and then, just like Trump in Helsinki, you sit there doing nothing for like 30 minutes while Putin talks about Russian history from its beginning. After which he turns to you and stresses how lucky US Intelligence community was that they rejected Tucker's attempt to join them... :rofl:

One journalist described Putin's demeanor as that of "..somebody trying to explain Algebra to a goat.." :lmao:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:54 am
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:50 pm Straight jacket…XXXL

Whoever the next President is will be taking over a disaster and elitist snob Jill and the entire lying lot of this pathetic administration is complicit including the Fourth estate. Teflon Joe is actually lucky he has dementia as he be won’t able to remember how he let everything fall apart
What does this have to do with Trump threatening to break treaties and openly side with the fellow neo-fascists?
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:26 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:54 am

Whoever the next President is will be taking over a disaster and elitist snob Jill and the entire lying lot of this pathetic administration is complicit including the Fourth estate. Teflon Joe is actually lucky he has dementia as he be won’t able to remember how he let everything fall apart
What does this have to do with Trump threatening to break treaties and openly side with the fellow neo-fascists?
At this point, why would anyone listen to anything said by someone using “Bidenwins” as a username… embarrassing
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Quick summary.

After hearing rumors Zelensky was going to fire his top military guy, Zaluzhny, he did it the other day. Speculation was that Zaluzhny didn't want to do the head first into the meat grinder plan , so Zelensky got rid of him.

Now we see the Ukrainian line so attrited, the Russians are making moves all along the line.

Don't know if the two are related, but it's the beginning of the end for Ukraine. Even if they can get bodies, there's no time to train them properly.

For any of you that don't know, Zelensky really has had no choice but to stand. The ultra right of Ukraine would flip out on him if he folded at all. Pretty tough spot to be in.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:50 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:26 am

What does this have to do with Trump threatening to break treaties and openly side with the fellow neo-fascists?
At this point, why would anyone listen to anything said by someone using “Bidenwins” as a username… embarrassing
The post is actually Hertling. Bidenwins is irrelevant other than they posted the actual clip of the puppet in his own words.

Why would you ignore what Trump said? Our allies and enemies are taking note of it.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:02 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:50 am

At this point, why would anyone listen to anything said by someone using “Bidenwins” as a username… embarrassing
The post is actually Hertling. Bidenwins is irrelevant other than they posted the actual clip of the puppet in his own words.

Why would you ignore what Trump said? Our allies and enemies are taking note of it.
What is the exact quote made by Trump ?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:01 am Quick summary.

After hearing rumors Zelensky was going to fire his top military guy, Zaluzhny, he did it the other day. Speculation was that Zaluzhny didn't want to do the head first into the meat grinder plan , so Zelensky got rid of him.

Now we see the Ukrainian line so attrited, the Russians are making moves all along the line.

Don't know if the two are related, but it's the beginning of the end for Ukraine. Even if they can get bodies, there's no time to train them properly.

For any of you that don't know, Zelensky really has had no choice but to stand. The ultra right of Ukraine would flip out on him if he folded at all. Pretty tough spot to be in.
It’s also a tough spot for the U.S. to be in

What to do and who’s actually making the calls?

Continue to support a doomed effort that wastes money and lives on both sides?

Or just call it a day admitting it was all for nothing
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:01 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:02 am

The post is actually Hertling. Bidenwins is irrelevant other than they posted the actual clip of the puppet in his own words.

Why would you ignore what Trump said? Our allies and enemies are taking note of it.
What is the exact quote made by Trump ?
It’s in the video.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:12 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:01 am

What is the exact quote made by Trump ?
It’s in the video.
Well I won’t be watching it and I’m pretty sure I mentioned the reason why
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:12 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:01 am

What is the exact quote made by Trump ?
It’s in the video.
Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:17 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:12 am

It’s in the video.
Well I won’t be watching it and I’m pretty sure I mentioned the reason why
You didn’t provide a sound reason why. It’s literally Trump’s own words. You could try finding the rest of the speech for better context if you were really interested in the truth.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:18 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:12 am

It’s in the video.
Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:26 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:18 am

Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.
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Exactly. Andriy agrees with you. Ukraine's neighbors have been almost worthless and cheap skated.
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Some solid dot connecting here.
At stake behind this fight is not only control of the Republican Party, but also the role of the U.S. in the world—and, for that matter, its standing. And much of that fight comes down to Ukraine’s attempt to resist Russia’s invasions of 2014 and 2022.

Russian president Vladimir Putin is intent on dismantling the rules-based international order of norms and values developed after World War II. Under this system, international organizations such as the United Nations provide places to resolve international disputes, prevent territorial wars, and end no-holds-barred slaughter through a series of agreements, including the United Nations Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Genocide Convention, and the Geneva Conventions on the laws of war.

Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, deliberate targeting of civilian populations, and war crimes are his way of thumbing his nose at the established order and demanding a different one, in which men like him dominate the globe.

Trump’s ties to Russia are deep and well documented, including by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was dominated by Republicans when it concluded that Trump’s 2016 campaign team had worked with Russian operatives. In November 2022, in the New York Times Magazine, Jim Rutenberg pulled together testimony given both to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and the Senate Intelligence Committee, transcripts from the impeachment hearings, and recent memoirs.

Rutenberg showed that in 2016, Russian operatives had presented to Trump advisor and later campaign manager Paul Manafort a plan “for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded, and -directed ‘separatists’ were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead.”

But they were concerned that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) might stand in their way. Formed in 1947 to stand against Soviet expansion and now standing against Russian aggression, NATO is a collective security alliance of 31 states that have agreed to consider an attack on any member to be an attack on all.

In exchange for weakening NATO, undermining the U.S. stance in favor of Ukraine in its attempt to throw off the Russians who had invaded in 2014, and removing U.S. sanctions from Russian entities, Russian operatives were willing to put their finger on the scales to help Trump win the White House.

When he was in office, Trump did, in fact, try to weaken NATO—as well as other international organizations like the World Health Organization—and promised he would pull the U.S. out of NATO in a second term, effectively killing it. Rutenberg noted that Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine looks a lot like an attempt to achieve the plan it suggested in 2016. But because there was a different president in the U.S., that invasion did not yield the results Putin expected.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:24 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:17 am

Well I won’t be watching it and I’m pretty sure I mentioned the reason why
You didn’t provide a sound reason why. It’s literally Trump’s own words. You could try finding the rest of the speech for better context if you were really interested in the truth.

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